Jammu and Kashmir: News and Discussion

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LurkerBaba

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Interesting, so Anonymous is now supporting the whole "oppressed Kashmiris" angle

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Greeting's citizens of the World. We'd like to give you tonights entertainment.

It has come to the attention of the collective that the Indian Military has been
committing multiple human rights abuses in Kashmir. These stem from arresting protestors
to systematically raping villages, all in the attempt of crushing dissent and forcing
obedience.

The unlawful occupation of Kashmir has been something that has been swept under the rug
of international affairs. It appears that Human Rights is a term that has been tossed
around for only the convenience of political parties. It appears that Human Rights
don't matter when it is a country that presents a financial interest to the United States
of America. This struggle has gone on for decades in the worst styles of abuse, but has gone largely
ignored.

So we come to today, while protestors in Kashmir have, yet again, taken to the streets, Anonymous
has taken to the internet in support of their struggle. The current protests regards the un-investigated
deaths of 358 infant deaths in Srinagar. Omar Abdullah has failed to address the problem
during his visits to the region. He has felt it justified to sweep these incidents under
the rug.

But Anonymous does not forget, and neither do the people of Kashmir. We have acted in
support of the protests on the ground. The people are calling for their promised plebiscite.
We will continue to press for reform in the region of Kashmir. The acts of the Indian Military
Machine
in that region have gone on long enough.
In support of the protestors of Kashmir we have taken down the following sites:

Jknc.in
jkpolice.gov.in
indianarmy.nic.in
#opKashmir Official Release
 

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I would support any attempts to trace them and prosecute them under law for the stuff they have done.
They have a "chapter" in India. Despite the 'Anonymous' tag our cyber agencies can hunt the miscreants living in India.
 
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In any tough dispute dramatic results can not be expected but to be realist it can be solved.
Just like you ceeded land to China to settle the dispute and avoid confrontation
you will do the same by giving POK back to India and the dispute will end
amicably.
 

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Kashmir is not disputed. You can take it to UN. But now as India has become more assertive and also economically more potent, the world prefers to listen to us than some disgruntled 5th world stone age country which prides itself on become the a seeping pustule on the backside and an eye sore for the rest of the world.
If its not disputed then why dont you take back Azad kashmir and NA.Even haji pir pass was given back after winning it.
 

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wrong . kashmiri people want azadi which was denied to them by india.
So what can your country do about it

Go away you MAD man Your country is dying go and save it

Kashmiris know that Pakis can only eat grass and feed them GRASS :taunt:
 

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Just like you ceeded land to China to settle the dispute and avoid confrontation
you will do the same by giving POK back to India and the dispute will end
amicably.
It can be said other way too-just like you lost the askai chin to china you can lose azad kashmir too to china before pakistan giving it back to you.then you can forget azad kashmir forever.
 
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It can be said other way too-just like you lost the askai chin to china you can lose azad kashmir too to china before pakistan giving it back to you.then you can forget azad kashmir forever.
Remember a poor India did mukti Bhani and created Bangladesh not USA,China or
Pakistan could stop it. Same thing will happen here soon no matter what you try.
 

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They have a "chapter" in India. Despite the 'Anonymous' tag our cyber agencies can hunt the miscreants living in India.
LB you can be anonymous too if you wish. Anyone can join. My opinion is, these guys are Pakis. So it does not matter in the larger scheme of things.
 

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If its not disputed then why dont you take back Azad kashmir and NA.Even haji pir pass was given back after winning it.
At the right time my sweetheart, at the right time. Right now its my Chivas Regal. We are the followers of Lord Krishna. We take the battle to our opponents. And when the time comes, your brethren will see the vestal virgins prematurely.
 

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Kashmir militants give up fight and head home

BBC News - Kashmir militants give up fight and head home

Twenty years after they took up arms to fight Indian rule in the Kashmir valley, hundreds of local insurgents are now returning to their homes after renouncing militancy. The reasons are diminishing support from the Pakistani government, a realisation that the "Kashmir jihad" is going nowhere and a promise of amnesty by the Indian government.

"It's no use staying on here," says former militant Mohammad Ahsan who lives in Muzaffarabad, the capital of Pakistani-administered Kashmir. He is now preparing to leave for his home in Srinagar valley on the Indian side. "The jihad is over, and poverty is catching on to us; it's better to live on your own land and around your own people than in virtual exile where one day you'll be forced to beg for a living," says Mr Ashan.

He has managed to put together 130,000 Pakistani rupees ($1,500; £960) to buy air tickets to the Nepalese capital, Kathmandu, for himself, his wife and two children. From there he will cross into India to reach Srinagar.

Futile militancy

Militant circles say there are about 3,000 to 4,000 former Kashmiri fighters stranded in and around Muzaffarabad.

Many want to return home, but some do not have the means to pay for the journey. India and Pakistan both claim Kashmir - they have fought two wars over the territory. A Line of Control (LoC) divides a narrow strip of Pakistan-administered Kashmir from the bulk of the region, which is held by India. Beginning in 1988, thousands of Kashmiri youths from the Indian side crossed over the LoC into Pakistan to train in guerrilla warfare, arm themselves and then go back to fight Indian forces in their homeland.

They kept Kashmir on the boil for a decade during the 1990s, but were increasingly frustrated when Pakistani groups, such as Lashkar-e-Taiba, Jaish-e-Mohammad, Al-Badr and Harkatul Mujahideen started to gain ascendancy in the "Kashmir jihad". These groups brought with them greater resources to eclipse local groups, and professed foreign religious ideologies that were less tolerant of local sensibilities. By the mid-2000s, after tens of thousands of Kashmiris had been killed in the uprising without shaking Indian rule, the futility of the militant-driven movement was becoming obvious and there was increased international pressure on Pakistan to withdraw support to these groups.

'Normal lives'

The gradual winding down of the movement has left the bulk of the native Kashmiri fighters in a state of suspended animation.

Those who could raise funds for a journey back home decided to test an earlier offer of amnesty by the Indian government. Others have simply been sulking as return routes across the LoC - which would be a much cheaper option - are still closed to them. During 2011, roughly 100 former militants left Pakistan along with their families and returned to their native villages on the Indian side. Their fate was closely watched by fighters still stranded in Pakistan.

"Nothing bad happened to them," says Rafiq Ahmed, another former fighter in Muzaffarabad who has been in touch with some of the returnees. "They were held by the Indian police for debriefing for a few days, and were then released. They are now living normal lives."

Thus emboldened, more than 500 fighters have returned to their native homes on the Indian side during the first five months of 2012, says Ghulam Mohammad, a former insurgent who is close to the people involved with the repatriation issues of Kashmiri militants.

"Most of them were married and they have also taken along their families - some 1,000 to 1,500 people in all," he says.

Cash strapped

Mr Mohammad says that between 10 and 15 former fighters are leaving Pakistan every week, along with their families.

They fly to Kathmandu on a Pakistani passport. From there they cross into India and reach Kashmir, where the returning men report to the local police to confirm their arrival.

"The Kathmandu route has two advantages; it is familiar to former militants and their 'handlers' who used it in the past to smuggle militants into India, and it is away from the public glare and therefore suitable to keep this exodus under wraps," he says.

The insurgents' departure comes amid reports of drastic cuts in the money which militant circles say the Pakistani security establishment used to pay them for their activities.

According to these circles, the practice of disbursing funds to various groups for operations inside Indian-administered Kashmir was stopped by the military government of former president Pervez Musharraf in 2006.

In recent months, they say, Pakistan has halved the funds which it still pays to these groups to meet their establishment expenses - such as office rent, stationery, transport, fuel or food.

Militant sources say that these funds can barely support small groups of core activists within each of roughly a dozen Kashmiri militant organisations that still run offices in Pakistani-administered Kashmir.

Pakistan denies giving the insurgents any support other than moral and diplomatic backing for their movement.

Although many former militants say those who have gone back in recent months have benefited from the Indian amnesty, some who have already returned to the Indian side told the BBC they have been disappointed by the lack of opportunities in their native land and are finding it difficult to rebuild their lives
 

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Re: Kashmir militants give up fight and head home

Although many former militants say those who have gone back in recent months have benefited from the Indian amnesty, some who have already returned to the Indian side told the BBC they have been disappointed by the lack of opportunities in their native land and are finding it difficult to rebuild their lives
Cool, I would be happy if these people go back to Pakistan and stop burdening our country. The kind of things they have done, take a lot of forgiving.
 

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Re: Kashmir militants give up fight and head home

Aim here is to fight overtly like yasin malik (kashmiri Gandhi) then with guns.More to do with having the cake (India) and eating it too(kashmir)So broad view is India now not kashmir.
 

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If Pak withdraws support to us, war will be fought there: Salahudin

If Pak withdraws support to us, war will be fought there: Salahudin


Frustrated by Islamabad's recent push to normalise relations with India, top Kashmiri militant leader Syed Salahudin has said that this "new approach" sidelining "Kashmir's struggle for the right of self determination" by Pakistan has turned him "desperate'' and "agitated'' .

In an interview with the Arab News, Salahudin, the chairman of the amalgam of militant outfits United Jihad Council and Chief of Hizbul Mujahideen outfit, has said, "We (militants) are fighting Pakistan's war in Kashmir and if it withdraws its support, the war would be fought inside Pakistan." He said that Islamabad's move to "bestow the title of Most Favoured Nation to India, open several trade routes along the Line of Control and along the settled boundaries'' has given "a clear signal" to Kashmiri political and militant leaders that "Pakistan wants business with India".

But at what cost does Pakistan seek peace and under what strategy will it follow the peace process, Salahudin asked. "Kashmir has been the key issue but now it has become peripheral as all claims of supporting our struggle politically, diplomatically and morally are nothing but lip service," he said. "Pakistan is doing all this without keeping its own interest as prime due to western pressures without analysing its disastrous consequences."

Salahudin's comments are especially important as they come soon after the Home Secretary level talks between the two countries in Islamabad recently.

He also said that "several successive governments in Pakistan, starting from Benazir Bhutto to Nawaz Sharif, then Gen. Musharraf and now Asif Ali Zardari, have all adopted the policy of normalizing relations besides continuing to discuss the core issue of Jammu and Kashmir with India at bilateral level talks but more than a dozen such talks have brought no fruit".

"All those who were involved in the so-called peace talks eventually admitted that India is not serious and that it gained more and more time to implement its own design for the region," he said.

Criticising the shift of Pakistan's policy, Salahudin said that "the process started in Musharraf's era supported by the Americans for de-escalating tensions successfully brought down militancy in Kashmir, but for many this strategic shift damaged Pakistan a lot".

He said a solution of Kashmir can only be achieved through militancy. He also said that the "existing dichotomy on the Kashmir issue has placed the Pakistanis in a dilemma on whether to support militancy or the peace process'' and "that is why the Pakistanis are silent and irreverent".
 

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^^^ Land of Pures can tell it's ally to send drones and finish off Salahuddin, SIMPLE!
 

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Army troops have foiled an infiltration bid at the Line of Control in Rajouri district of Jammu and Kashmir.

After a brief exchange of fire on Friday night in Jhangar Sector, the infiltrators retreated, the Army said.

"Army troops positioned on the Line of Control in Jhangar Sector noticed the suspicious movement of three persons at around 23:00 hours on Friday night," a Defence spokesman said here on Saturday.

As they moved closer, troops challenged them, leading to a brief exchange of fire.

"They went into hiding and opened a burst of small arms fire, probably from an AK series weapon," he added.

The Indian forces fired in retaliation.

"The intruders retreated, taking advantage of the darkness, thick vegetation, and folds of the ground," he said.

A search operation was launched after daybreak to find injured persons if any, or any leftover stores in the vicinity," he said, adding that the search was still in progress. – PTI
The Hindu : Today's Paper / NATIONAL : Army foils infiltration bid
 
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