J20 Shock to PLAAF

[SexyChineseLady]

Sorry, your comments are just sour grapes jealousy.

1) The UN P5 seat is a fact that China is one of the major victors of WWII; which meant that China dealt millions of casualties to Japan and it cemented China as one of the five greatest powers on earth, far more important than anything India did in WWII which was why India got nothing after the war, not even its freedom,

2) Indians under Union Jack also gave the British Enpire its greatest loss in history at Singapore; the English-led Indians lost more at Singapore (85,000) than the Japanese at Imphal/Kohima; India was not considered a victor in WWII; it was not even freed by the Brits until Gandhi made white people in the West feel sorry for Indians by being passive; India was not freed by its fighters,

3) The fact is India is left far behind by China. Everything else is just sour grapes excuses. India is free like the US and Japan while China is commie like the USSR. So how come free India isn’t richer than China like the US and Japan was richer than the USSR? How free Indians are five times poorer than commie Chinese? If China were free it would be probably 20 times wealthier per capita than India like Japan is,

4) Sorry, the fact is China has two stealth aircraft flying and India has only sour grapes opinions

 

[Aghore_King]

Sorry, your comments are just sour grapes jealousy.

1) The UN P5 seat is a fact that China is one of the major victors of WWII; which meant that China dealt millions of casualties to Japan and it cemented China as one of the five greatest powers on earth, far more important than anything India did in WWII which was why India got nothing after the war, not even its freedom,

2) Indians under Union Jack also gave the British Enpire its greatest loss in history at Singapore; the English-led Indians lost more at Singapore (85,000) than the Japanese at Imphal/Kohima; India was not considered a victor in WWII; it was not even freed by the Brits until Gandhi made white people in the West feel sorry for Indians by being passive; India was not freed by its fighters,

3) The fact is India is left far behind by China. Everything else is just sour grapes excuses. India is free like the US and Japan while China is commie like the USSR. So how come free India isn’t richer than China like the US and Japan was richer than the USSR? How free Indians are five times poorer than commie Chinese? If China were free it would be probably 20 times wealthier per capita than India like Japan is,

4) Sorry, the fact is China has two stealth aircraft flying and India has only sour grapes opinions

Looks like i am casting pearls before a swine, anyway i will continue to Burst your bubble:
1.) Chinese seat at p5 was not due to victory of china, it was due to sheer sympathy that western powers gave china a seat, china didn't give millions of casualties to japan, its the other way round.
2.) China was not greatest power on earth , it was the weakest , poorest and dirtiest of all P5 till the 90s.Vietnam fought China in 1979 and killed 9,000 People's Liberation Army troops in a single month. Japan's occupation of China in the 1930s and '40s killed millions of Chinese.
3.) Those soldiers surrendered so that they can become part of Indian national army led by netaji subhash chandra bose which was an ally of japanese and fight against British.
4.) You don't know anything about india? do you , you dummyface? India was more communist than china in economy till the 90s .. First go and educate yourself on Indian economy.Infact even now,China is more capotalistic than India.
4.) If china would be free from one party system then it would have worse than India.
5.)Yeah right now China has working stealth aircraft due to their stealing habit but mind you we're not far behind. We've built our first jet in 1960s when you guys were being tortured to death in name of communism.

 

[nimo_cn]

Looks like i am casting pearls before a swine, anyway i will continue to Burst your bubble:
1.) Chinese seat at p5 was not due to victory of china, it was due to sheer sympathy that western powers gave china a seat, china didn't give millions of casualties to japan, its the other way round.
2.) China was not greatest power on earth , it was the weakest , poorest and dirtiest of all P5 till the 90s.Vietnam fought China in 1979 and killed 9,000 People's Liberation Army troops in a single month. Japan's occupation of China in the 1930s and '40s killed millions of Chinese.
3.) Those soldiers surrendered so that they can become part of Indian national army led by netaji subhash chandra bose which was an ally of japanese and fight against British.
4.) You don't know anything about india? do you , you dummyface? India was more communist than china in economy till the 90s .. First go and educate yourself on Indian economy.Infact even now,China is more capotalistic than India.
4.) If china would be free from one party system then it would have worse than India.
5.)Yeah right now China has working stealth aircraft due to their stealing habit but mind you we're not far behind. We've built our first jet in 1960s when you guys were being tortured to death in name of communism.

When china was getting the P5 seat, India was still being ruled by the British. In this regard, china was more eligible than India.

If it was not China holding back the Japanese for eight years and not surrendering like france, Japanese army had swept India like it did in southeast asia. China was the most important force of ally in the far east asia, Chiang Kai-shek, the then leader of Chinese nationalist government was named the supreme commander of allied force, commanding military force, both Chinese and foreign in the region.

Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek, Franklin D. Roosevelt, and Winston Churchill met at the Cairo Conference, 25 November 1943, outlined plans against Japanese and made decisions about postwar Asia.

All of these basically laid the foundation of Chinese seat in P5. China earned the seat with blood and flesh, not someone else gifed it to us for sympathy.

In fact, all P5 countries made huge sacrifice to fight the fascist, that is the reason they gained the seats in the first place.

 

[Aghore_King]

When china was getting the P5 seat, India was still being ruled by the British. In this regard, china was more eligible than India.

If it was not China holding back the Japanese for eight years and not surrendering like france, Japanese army had swept India like it did in southeast asia. China was the most important force of ally in the far east asia, Chiang Kai-shek, the then leader of Chinese nationalist government was named the supreme commander of allied force, commanding military force, both Chinese and foreign in the region.

Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek, Franklin D. Roosevelt, and Winston Churchill met at the Cairo Conference, 25 November 1943, outlined plans against Japanese and made decisions about postwar Asia.

All of these basically laid the foundation of Chinese seat in P5. China earned the seat with blood and flesh, not someone else gifed it to us for sympathy.

In fact, all P5 countries made huge sacrifice to fight the fascist, that is the reason they gained the seats in the first place.

When you look at it this way, China didn't really contributed to ww 2 , it was India which contributed significantly to allied victory.India even fought on european and african soil , did china fought there? heck china couldn't even defend itself properly....If it was not for india holding fascist forces in Africa and at several points in Europe too..then allied forces may have tasted defeat.
Japanese army could've not swept india ,heck they couldn't even cross India north eastern border where they were killed off like flies.. it's different matter that if west will ever acknowledge indian contribution in allied victory...

 

[armyofhind]

When china was getting the P5 seat, India was still being ruled by the British.

Abey tera dimaag kharab hai kya be chutiye?

 

[undeadmyrmidon]

Are you implying that I and @badguy2000 are the same poster? Really?

Yeah and you get $1 for that because two accounts. Good job!

 

[undeadmyrmidon]

Sorry your list is sour grapes comments not facts.

1) the UN P5 position is real; the “ass owned” comment is just your opinion,

2) Kohima and Imphal are battles in WWII with the Japanese having only four divisions and suffer around 60,000 casualties; the Japanese had millions of troops in China and suffered 2,000,000 casualties there; thus P5 for China and nothing for India who fought under Union Jack and were main reason for the greatest defeat in British history when 80,000 mostly Indian troops surrendered,

3) “Opening up later” is a pretty stupid excuse for being poorer; why not open up earlier? Anyways not a fact but a lame excuse; the fact is India is far poorer than China and the whole region that India sits in is far poorer than East Asia,

4) nothing but sour grapes comments about how Indian started out from “scratch” when it is China that is embargoed while India always had help from both Russia and the West; the fact is China has two stealth programs and we have photos to prove it, Indians have no flying stealth aircraft and is piggybacking on Russia’s SU-57

And you need to buy crystal blades from Russia to power AL 31FN engines for you J 20. LOL!

 

[rockdog]

And you need to buy crystal blades from Russia to power AL 31FN engines for you J 20. LOL!

China in talks for sale of jet engine technology to Germany
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/china-talks-sale-jet-engine-133344775.html

China’s jet engine technology around the level of Germany
https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2018/01/chinas-jet-engine-technology-around-the-level-of-germany.html

 

[bose]

And you need to buy crystal blades from Russia to power AL 31FN engines for you J 20. LOL!

China is unable to steal or copy Crystal Blade Technology, their in-house development is useless ...

 

[rockdog]

China is unable to steal or copy Crystal Blade Technology, their in-house development is useless ...

China in talks for sale of jet engine technology to Germany
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/china-talks-sale-jet-engine-133344775.html

China’s jet engine technology around the level of Germany
https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2018/01/chinas-jet-engine-technology-around-the-level-of-germany.html

 

[Aghore_King]

China in talks for sale of jet engine technology to Germany
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/china-talks-sale-jet-engine-133344775.html

China’s jet engine technology around the level of Germany
https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2018/01/chinas-jet-engine-technology-around-the-level-of-germany.html

Its Britain's rolls royce which builds jet engines for european jets not germany...

 

[rockdog]

Its Britain's rolls royce which builds jet engines for european jets not germany...

Financial year 2017: MTU Aero Engines AG once again posts record figures

http://www.mtu.de/investor-relation...o-engines-ag-once-again-posts-record-figures/

 

[Aghore_King]

Financial year 2017: MTU Aero Engines AG once again posts record figures

http://www.mtu.de/investor-relation...o-engines-ag-once-again-posts-record-figures/

In eurufighter engine production, mtu's share is just 30% , it can't deveop full engine by itself.

 

[rockdog]

In eurufighter engine production, mtu's share is just 30% , it can't deveop full engine by itself.

You said:

Its Britain's rolls royce which builds jet engines for european jets not germany...

why from "not germany" to "mtu's share is just 30%", lack of education and basic knowledge?

 

[Aghore_King]

You said:


why from "not germany" to "mtu's share is just 30%", lack of education and basic knowledge?

The fact is Germany can't build the full engine by itself , its workshare is only 30%

China in talks for sale of jet engine technology to Germany
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/china-talks-sale-jet-engine-133344775.html

China’s jet engine technology around the level of Germany
https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2018/01/chinas-jet-engine-technology-around-the-level-of-germany.html

As you said that china and Germany are at same level , it means China also can't develop full engine by itself, that's why it still imports critical components like single crystal blade from Russia..

 

[rockdog]

The fact is Germany can't build the full engine by itself , its workshare is only 30%

MTU develops and manufactures the V2500 engine in cooperation with Pratt & Whitney and Japanese Aero Engines Corporation. For the launch in 1983, a joint company - International Aero Engines AG (IAE) - was established.

The IAE V2500 is a two-shaft turbofan targeted at short-to-medium-haul transports and is used on the Airbus A319, A320 and A321 as well as on the Boeing/McDonnell Douglas MD-90. It obtained FAA flight certification in 1988. MTU has an 16% stake in the IAE V2500 and is responsible for the entire low-pressure turbine. At the moment 360 of these engines are produced every year. The engine is a source of growing repair revenues for the company.

 

[Aghore_King]

MTU develops and manufactures the V2500 engine in cooperation with Pratt & Whitney and Japanese Aero Engines Corporation. For the launch in 1983, a joint company - International Aero Engines AG (IAE) - was established.

The IAE V2500 is a two-shaft turbofan targeted at short-to-medium-haul transports and is used on the Airbus A319, A320 and A321 as well as on the Boeing/McDonnell Douglas MD-90. It obtained FAA flight certification in 1988. MTU has an 16% stake in the IAE V2500 and is responsible for the entire low-pressure turbine. At the moment 360 of these engines are produced every year. The engine is a source of growing repair revenues for the company.

No amount of bullshit you are posting proves that China can build reliable jet engines by itself.

 

[SexyChineseLady]

No amount of bullshit you are posting proves that China can build reliable jet engines by itself.

Sorry, sour grapes comments are worth nothing in the real world.

A picture is worth a million words and we have thousands of pictures of Chinese engines on aircraft that are in the air:

WS-10 turbofan on:
1) J-10,
2) J-11B,
3) J-15,
4) J-11BS,
5) J-16,
6) J-20.

The WS-10 engines are proven on hundreds of planes (and thousands of pictures.)

But I cannot help those blinded by jealousy.

 

[rockdog]

But I cannot help those blinded by jealousy.

May by stupidity........................

 

[SexyChineseLady]

May by stupidity........................

I think it is overwhelmingly jealousy.

The following is a prototype J-15S with WS-10 engines:

Even the stupidest poster in any military forum would know that “unreliable” engines are NEVER used on prototypes — especially one that carries two pilots and is a carrier plane.

So it has to be jealousy. No one is that stupid.