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The Chinese "may" have a similar program in the future.is there any chance that chinese su 30 will be upgraded to super sukhoi...??
How will an engine upgrade help us now? MKI already has good TWR, good load carrying capacity, and good maneuverability.So that was a PESA.
Anyway, I think OP is trying to compare J-11B to MKI. BS is the trainer version.
MKI is a 18.5 tonnes aircraft compared to 16.5 tonnes on J-11A and B.
MKI has some advantages here. First off is the radar. Bars is the better one compared to the one on J-11B.
The engine is better and comes with TVC.
By now there shouldn't be major differences in other avionics since even MKI is one and a half decades old. As a newer development J-11B may have some slight advantages in composites, but that shouldn't be a big deal.
The engine and radar alone are massive advantages. As for weapons, Russia has a track record, China, we will see once SD-10B is revealed with proper specs.
MKI has a two pilot advantage. The MKI can effectively act as a network node because the WSO can take battlespace command and share the workload with another WSO in the formation. Combine the pilot with a very good radar, the WSO can specify targets, prioritize, navigate, gauge the opponents strength, find weaknesses etc without having to risk AWACS doing the same in a high threat environment. At the same time the pilot is free to fly the bird without problems.
So, overall advantage lies with the MKI. But the Chinese have strength in numbers and may catch up in terms of technology over the next decade.
Let's see what the Super MKI program has to offer. As of today we know there will be avionics upgrades, but it is yet unknown if there will be engine upgrades. An engine upgrade will push the scale in MKIs favor by a massive extent.
Only US and France have operational AESA radars today.
New engine would mean new power packs. So, more power for running avionics and hence better electronics capability. Current MKIs come with two 60KW power generators.How will an engine upgrade help us now? MKI already has good TWR, good load carrying capacity, and good maneuverability.
Russia saling chinese su35,but Chinese formers say we obviously should not buy them.how weird they are!The Chinese "may" have a similar program in the future.
But they won't get the upgrade we are getting, for obvious reasons.
Well happy new year giant neighbor :cool2:@indochina are you celebrating new year as we are?
Well happy new year giant neighbor :cool2:@indochina are you celebrating new year as we are?
Okay, we need an answer to this problem and I still think that the J-11BS will be able to win in BVR track - Please note that this is BVR track, my intention is not to say that is first shot, first kill, it is only the first look (Of course with the luck) because they use RAM (RCS reduction, there are some reports that the J-11B with only 3m2 RAM) simultaneously with AESA radar detection range farther than the AESA radar of the Su-30MKI (because the AESA radar of the Su-30MKI is not the full information).
So I assume
SU-30MKI detects the targets of 3m2 at 150 km and J-11B can detect SU-30MKI at 200 km.
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But that's just consider the possibility of remote detection, the current Chinese PL-12 also has a range of 100 km, more Chinese people do not know the angle of the Indian AESA radar scan.I still believe the battle will take place in WVR or Dogfight Su-30MKI has the advantage with the hat 3D TVC and Canard as well as the HMS display (which can be obtained from Rafale)
Okay, we need an answer to this problem and I still think that the J-11BS will be able to win in BVR track
Bars tracks a 3m2 target at 130Km. Detection is beyond 250Km. This is only Bars. Bars Phase 2 radar tracks at 180-200Km and detects at 300-350Km. Actually these are figures for a 1.2m2 target, aka, F-16.SU-30MKI detects the targets of 3m2 at 150 km and J-11B can detect SU-30MKI at 200 km.
Here advantage in Dogfight mode of J-11BSMKIs RCS is also said to be around 3m2.
Bars is better than what you have on your bird.
From what shiphone mentioned, J-11s have a radar that was modified from J-10 which in turn was derived from Israel's old EL/M 2035.
Bars is much better compared to that.
Bars tracks a 3m2 target at 130Km. Detection is beyond 250Km. This is only Bars. Bars Phase 2 radar tracks at 180-200Km and detects at 300-350Km. Actually these are figures for a 1.2m2 target, aka, F-16.
Bars AESA should cross 400Km for a F-16 type target.
They also signed a surrender treaty saying it belongs to France.They said Vietnam belongs to India.
I think you are quite confused about many things here.Pilots Su-30MKI uses the old style of the cap Soviet Zsh-7A. Not the hat denotes HMS system of Russia the Zsh-7AP for the T-50 or zsh-5 / Shchel-3um for the MiG-29, Su-27 Soviet Era
It is so humiliating to compare MKI with this Chinese junk J-11. Please lock this thread