J-11 is it that good?

[venom]

4 m2 is just for the frontal aspect & for a fully clean aircraft....

 

[Vladimir79]

I still asked, where you get that figure.

 

[venom]

Sukhoi Su-30: Encyclopedia II - Sukhoi Su-30 - Su-30 MKI

The rcs of Su-30mki is 1/3 rd of su-30mk which is around 10-12 m2

 

[Vladimir79]

Sukhoi Su-30: Encyclopedia II - Sukhoi Su-30 - Su-30 MKI

That is the detection capabilities of the radar. Not the RCS signature of the aerocraft.

 

[venom]

That is the detection capabilities of the radar. Not the RCS signature of the aerocraft.

Sorry got the wrong link.......Ur right its 4 the radar

I'd found some info given by a Aeronautical engg who had carefully designed a 10:1 scale model of Su-30Mki Block-3 ..... i've misplaced it somewhere...... It was accurate

 

[badguy2000]

The Present N011M Bars radar on Su-30Mki is far superior to anything the chinese have......The best fighter which the chinese have Is Su-30MK3 which is inferior to Su-30Mki & regarding the RCS of Su-30Mki, it had been reduced to
4 m2. Su-30Mki Is a "HIGHLY UPGRADED & MODIFIED VERSION Which has Indian, Russian, French & Israeli avionics & Su-30Mki combines the features from Su-37 & Su-35.It is tailor-made for Indian specifications.The MKI variant is often considered to be a customized Indian variant of the Sukhoi Su-35.

amending.....
Su30MKK is best long-range striking bird of PLAAF.but its air-fighting capacity is not as good as J11 and J10....

 

[nitesh]

Su30MKi is best long-range striking bird of PLAAF.but its air-fighting capacity is not as good as J11 and J10....

From when is this development happened

 

[Vladimir79]

Su30MKi is best long-range striking bird of PLAAF

Since when is Su30MKI a bird of PLAAF?

 

[Daredevil]

From when is this development happened

Perhaps, he meant Su30MK3.

 

[gambit]

Gents,

Calling an aircraft an 'air superiority' fighter is a bit misused.

Air Dominance - The ability of an air force to compel other air forces to alter their operations over an area, usually to that air force's own favorable terms.

Air Superiority - The ability of an air force to quickly achieve total control of an airspace over a ground area with a loss rate that is not detrimental to said ability and to be able to return to the same area to accomplish the same goal as often as desired.

Air Supremacy - He flies, he dies.

The need for a pure fighter aircraft is self evident if there is a desire to achieve supremacy over a territory. Any less capability in the aircraft's design philosophy and it will require more resources, higher loss rate and more time to achieve supremacy.

 

[ReneDad]

Su30MKi is best long-range striking bird of PLAAF.but its air-fighting capacity is not as good as J11 and J10....

I don't think so. Maybe Su-30MKK is not better than J-10/11 in airfight but Su-30MKI seems like may have better performance than J-10/J-11B.

In dogfight, Su-30MKI certainly have better manoeuvrability or turning radius especially in low speed because it has vector thrust. J-11B may have better T/W ratio, so it may have better rate of climb and level acceleration.

In BVR fight, Su-30MKI's PESA is supposed to be better than J-11B's slotted planar-array antenna radar. If J-11 has lower RCS as some Chinese website said, it will counteract the radar advantage of Su-30MKI.

I think the performance of the missiles, jamming and countermeasure of these planes may contribute more to the result of the fight than the planes themselves, but we have no information on these to compare the two planes.

In reality, I can hardly believe that the pilots of Su-30MKI and J-10/J-11 would fight one-to-one without supported by their won countries' C4I system if there were two countries big like India and China going into a war, so such comparison may have less meaning.

 

[p2prada]

In BVR fight, Su-30MKI's PESA is supposed to be better than J-11B's slotted planar-array antenna radar. If J-11 has lower RCS as some Chinese website said, it will counteract the radar advantage of Su-30MKI.

MKI will soon undergo RCS reduction measures. New RAM coating, composites etc. Most probably a new AESA too.

I think the performance of the missiles, jamming and countermeasure of these planes may contribute more to the result of the fight than the planes themselves, but we have no information on these to compare the two planes.

MKI is equipped with an Israeli jammer EL/M 8222 and later the new Russian jammer Knirti SAP-14(said to be the equivalent of the ALQ-99). Both will be used.

 

[ppgj]

later the new Russian jammer Knirti SAP-14(said to be the equivalent of the ALQ-99).

i posted a query about this on SU-30MKI thread. do you have any idea about its capabilities? how does it compare to ALQ 99?

 

[ddg1000]

The MKKs are multirole. They may provide escort for the other strike fighters in the PLAAF and also work as strike aircraft. It's obvious to anybody that multirole aircraft are more advanced than an Air-superiority aircraft. Capability is debatable. The Su-27s are older while the Su-30MKK are newer. The J-10s and J-11s are still not ready.

su-30mk in fact do bad in mutirole,especially comparing with F15E.russia made it in order to sell it to china/india/malaysia…… china feel regret about the buying

 

[bengalraider]

su-30mk in fact do bad in mutirole,especially comparing with F15E.russia made it in order to sell it to china/india/malaysia…… china feel regret about the buying

and you know this based on what facts?please post some sources.

 

[ahmedsid]

su-30mk in fact do bad in mutirole,especially comparing with F15E.russia made it in order to sell it to china/india/malaysia…… china feel regret about the buying

Never make such Sweeping statements without BACKING it up with Sources or atleast a plausible Argument!!!! If Chinese were regretting the SU30s, they wouldnt have gone ahead with the deal till now. They would have backed out atleast when they realised so, since they are also spending Billions on it.

Malaysia, has got a souped up version Like India, and the Malaysian and Indians Su30s are any day in a different platter than the Chinese. Read up, you will Understand!

 

[Quickgun Murugan]

su-30mk in fact do bad in mutirole,especially comparing with F15E.russia made it in order to sell it to china/india/malaysia…… china feel regret about the buying

So why does J-11 share Su 27 airframe instead of F-15? To feel regret again?

 

[p2prada]

i posted a query about this on SU-30MKI thread. do you have any idea about its capabilities? how does it compare to ALQ 99?

Heck, no idea. It's a new development. Need to wait till there is some official press statement regarding that.

 

[p2prada]

Never make such Sweeping statements without BACKING it up with Sources or atleast a plausible Argument!!!! If Chinese were regretting the SU30s, they wouldnt have gone ahead with the deal till now. They would have backed out atleast when they realised so, since they are also spending Billions on it.

Malaysia, has got a souped up version Like India, and the Malaysian and Indians Su30s are any day in a different platter than the Chinese. Read up, you will Understand!

I wouldn't answer to trolls if I were you.

 

[ahmedsid]

I wouldn't answer to trolls if I were you.

I dont Answer, I just WARN Seeing the Red should signify the importance of my WARNING to TROLLS