Italian Ship Fires On Indian Fishing Boat, 2 TN fishermen dead
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Must say that Italians are real pssies as they got scared of couple of fishermen in a tiny boat.
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India wants captain of Italian ship to surrender by today
Krishna rejects Rome's plea for joint probe
New Delhi wants the captain of Italian ship Enrica Lexia and two marksmen who shot dead two Indian fishermen to surrender to Kerala Police on Sunday after several rounds of diplomatic confabulations on Saturday culminated in a telephonic conversation between External Affairs Minister S. M. Krishna and his Italian counterpart.
Rome wanted the three to be permitted to go in return for a joint investigation into the incident. But in the conversation late in the evening, Mr. Krishna turned down the offer an hour after Kerala Chief Minister Ooomen Chandy sought the Central assistance to persuade the captain and the two security personnel to give themselves up.
Mr. Chandy said his government was left with no option but to arrest the Italians after receiving advice on the issue from the State's Attorney- General, said government sources here.
Mr. Krishna and the Indian Ambassador in Rome told the Italians that this was not a diplomatic row that could end with discussions. The question was that those responsible for killing two Indians must submit to the law of the land.
The call from the Italian Foreign Minister Giulio Terzi di Sant'Agata capped a hectic day of activity in Rome, where the Indian Ambassador was offered options such as the despatch of a multi-Ministerial team to Kochi and high-level investigation of the incident.
The Hindu : News / National : India wants captain of Italian ship to surrender by today
Krishna rejects Rome's plea for joint probe
New Delhi wants the captain of Italian ship Enrica Lexia and two marksmen who shot dead two Indian fishermen to surrender to Kerala Police on Sunday after several rounds of diplomatic confabulations on Saturday culminated in a telephonic conversation between External Affairs Minister S. M. Krishna and his Italian counterpart.
Rome wanted the three to be permitted to go in return for a joint investigation into the incident. But in the conversation late in the evening, Mr. Krishna turned down the offer an hour after Kerala Chief Minister Ooomen Chandy sought the Central assistance to persuade the captain and the two security personnel to give themselves up.
Mr. Chandy said his government was left with no option but to arrest the Italians after receiving advice on the issue from the State's Attorney- General, said government sources here.
Mr. Krishna and the Indian Ambassador in Rome told the Italians that this was not a diplomatic row that could end with discussions. The question was that those responsible for killing two Indians must submit to the law of the land.
The call from the Italian Foreign Minister Giulio Terzi di Sant'Agata capped a hectic day of activity in Rome, where the Indian Ambassador was offered options such as the despatch of a multi-Ministerial team to Kochi and high-level investigation of the incident.
The Hindu : News / National : India wants captain of Italian ship to surrender by today
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India police open murder case against Italian ship crew
India police open murder case against Italian ship crew
17 February 2012 Last updated at 10:00 ET | BBC News
Police in India have opened a murder enquiry into the deaths of two fishermen allegedly killed by gunfire from an Italian oil tanker.
The police want to question six Italian marines who were on board the tanker.
Police sources say Italy maintains the personnel cannot be charged under Indian law and the Italian embassy in Delhi is seeking legal help.
Reports say naval guards aboard the tanker mistook the Indian fishing boat for a pirate vessel.
Wednesday's incident has sparked a major diplomatic row between India and Italy.
Indian Defence Minister AK Antony has described the killings as "very serious" and an "unfortunate incident".
The Italian ambassador in Delhi was summoned by the foreign ministry on Thursday over the shooting.
Compensation payment
The six marines are aboard the tanker, the MV Enrica Lexie, anchored of the port of Kochi in southern India's Kerala state.
"We want to question them for more details. The ship and its remaining crew will not be allowed to leave until they furnish all formalities," said senior Kerala state police official P Chandrasekharan.
"We will treat it like any other murder case".
The entire crew is still on board and have already been visited for questioning by police.
Indian officials say they are surprised at the shooting and that the fishermen did nothing to threaten the Italian ship.
Following the incident, the Indian coastguard sent two boats and an aircraft to intercept the ship.
The Kerala state government has authorised a payment of 500,000 rupees ($10,125; £6,450) each to the dead fishermen's families.
'No weapons'
The Italian ship fired at the fishermen in waters off India's southern state of Kerala, the Indian navy said in a statement.
Officials said the vessel was bound from Singapore to Egypt, with a crew of 34, including 19 Indians.
The Italians say the crew members fired in self-defence - after initially firing warning shots - because they feared their vessel was about to be attacked.
A senior official in Kerala, PG Thomas, said the attack was unwarranted as there were "no weapons on the trawler".
Indian officials said nine of the 11 fishermen in the trawler were asleep and the two victims were steering it when the incident happened.
"The fishermen did not fire at the ship. They couldn't have been mistaken for pirates," said Kerala police official P Chandrashekhar.
"The Indian trawler was 100m from the ship. The trawler wanted the ship to pass."
Piracy has emerged as a major threat to merchant ships in the Indian Ocean and the Arabian Sea, with Somali pirates hijacking ships and their crews for ransom.
Pirate attacks have come down recently partly because more armed guards are now deployed on board ships.
Source: BBC News - India police open murder case against Italian ship crew
India police open murder case against Italian ship crew
17 February 2012 Last updated at 10:00 ET | BBC News
Police in India have opened a murder enquiry into the deaths of two fishermen allegedly killed by gunfire from an Italian oil tanker.
The police want to question six Italian marines who were on board the tanker.
Police sources say Italy maintains the personnel cannot be charged under Indian law and the Italian embassy in Delhi is seeking legal help.
Reports say naval guards aboard the tanker mistook the Indian fishing boat for a pirate vessel.
Wednesday's incident has sparked a major diplomatic row between India and Italy.
Indian Defence Minister AK Antony has described the killings as "very serious" and an "unfortunate incident".
The Italian ambassador in Delhi was summoned by the foreign ministry on Thursday over the shooting.
Compensation payment
The six marines are aboard the tanker, the MV Enrica Lexie, anchored of the port of Kochi in southern India's Kerala state.
"We want to question them for more details. The ship and its remaining crew will not be allowed to leave until they furnish all formalities," said senior Kerala state police official P Chandrasekharan.
"We will treat it like any other murder case".
The entire crew is still on board and have already been visited for questioning by police.
Indian officials say they are surprised at the shooting and that the fishermen did nothing to threaten the Italian ship.
Following the incident, the Indian coastguard sent two boats and an aircraft to intercept the ship.
The Kerala state government has authorised a payment of 500,000 rupees ($10,125; £6,450) each to the dead fishermen's families.
'No weapons'
The Italian ship fired at the fishermen in waters off India's southern state of Kerala, the Indian navy said in a statement.
Officials said the vessel was bound from Singapore to Egypt, with a crew of 34, including 19 Indians.
The Italians say the crew members fired in self-defence - after initially firing warning shots - because they feared their vessel was about to be attacked.
A senior official in Kerala, PG Thomas, said the attack was unwarranted as there were "no weapons on the trawler".
Indian officials said nine of the 11 fishermen in the trawler were asleep and the two victims were steering it when the incident happened.
"The fishermen did not fire at the ship. They couldn't have been mistaken for pirates," said Kerala police official P Chandrashekhar.
"The Indian trawler was 100m from the ship. The trawler wanted the ship to pass."
Piracy has emerged as a major threat to merchant ships in the Indian Ocean and the Arabian Sea, with Somali pirates hijacking ships and their crews for ransom.
Pirate attacks have come down recently partly because more armed guards are now deployed on board ships.
Source: BBC News - India police open murder case against Italian ship crew
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From the news it appears that they are from the Italian Navy.
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The crew has been arrested by the Kerala police...
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Kochi/New Delhi: Four days after two Indian fishermen were shot dead by the crew of an Italian ship, two naval personnel onboard the vessel have been charged with murder. The move came shortly after the armed crew members were taken into custody by the Kerala Police.
The accused, Latore Massimiliano and Salvatore Girone - part of the six-member security detail of the ship Enrica Lexie - were brought to the Kochi shore by the cops. The duo was then taken to a CISF guest house at the nearby Wellignton island for detailed interrogation. They will then be handed over to the police in Kollam where a First Information Report (FIR) has been registered in the case.
Earlier, the crew members who were being interrogated by the police had been asked to surrender by 8 am today. But the process was delayed with Italy hardening its stance on the matter. Earlier today, an Italian delegation arrived in the national capital and met senior officials from the Ministry of External Affairs (MEA). Sources have told NDTV that the Italians tried hard for a concession, contending that the men held in custody were marines but India refused to budge from its stated stand.
"We had a fairly comprehensive discussion whereby we have explained to them the rationale of our position and the situation as it exists today. We have also explained to them that as good partners and as External Affairs Minister S M Krishna had requested yesterday, we hope Italy will cooperate with us in ensuring law of the land takes its course. We also requested them to fully cooperate with Kerala Police," MEA spokesperson Syed Akbaruddin told reporters.
The meeting between the both sides happened just hours after External Affairs Minister S M Krishna publicly urged the Italians to cooperate in the ongoing investigations.
"I have been in talks with the Italian foreign minister and the Kerala chief minister...the law of the land will have to take its own course, we have advised the Italians to cooperate with the Kerala law agencies to achieve an amicable solution. I am expecting the Italian foreign minister to come on the 28th," Mr Krishna said.
The minister had yesterday indulged in some tough talk, telling his Italian counterpart that the ship's crew must cooperate with Indian authorities. He later told the media that the loss of "innocent lives" could have been avoided had the naval personnel onboard Enrica Lexie been careful and exercised restraint.
The death of the fishermen has snowballed into a major diplomatic stand-off between both nations. Italy contends that the incident happened in international waters and hence, a case could not be made against its crew by Indian authorities. India, on its part, insists that the firing occurred in the contiguous zone that is well within its jurisdiction. The contiguous zone is a band of water extending from the outer edge of the territorial sea to up to 24 nautical miles or 44 kilometres from the baseline.
Ajesh Binki, 25, from Tamil Nadu and Gelastine, 45, from Kerala, were mistaken for pirates and shot dead by the crew of an Italian ship on Wednesday evening about 14 nautical miles off Alappuzha.
Read more at: Indian fishermen killed: Two Italian crew members charged with murder
The accused, Latore Massimiliano and Salvatore Girone - part of the six-member security detail of the ship Enrica Lexie - were brought to the Kochi shore by the cops. The duo was then taken to a CISF guest house at the nearby Wellignton island for detailed interrogation. They will then be handed over to the police in Kollam where a First Information Report (FIR) has been registered in the case.
Earlier, the crew members who were being interrogated by the police had been asked to surrender by 8 am today. But the process was delayed with Italy hardening its stance on the matter. Earlier today, an Italian delegation arrived in the national capital and met senior officials from the Ministry of External Affairs (MEA). Sources have told NDTV that the Italians tried hard for a concession, contending that the men held in custody were marines but India refused to budge from its stated stand.
"We had a fairly comprehensive discussion whereby we have explained to them the rationale of our position and the situation as it exists today. We have also explained to them that as good partners and as External Affairs Minister S M Krishna had requested yesterday, we hope Italy will cooperate with us in ensuring law of the land takes its course. We also requested them to fully cooperate with Kerala Police," MEA spokesperson Syed Akbaruddin told reporters.
The meeting between the both sides happened just hours after External Affairs Minister S M Krishna publicly urged the Italians to cooperate in the ongoing investigations.
"I have been in talks with the Italian foreign minister and the Kerala chief minister...the law of the land will have to take its own course, we have advised the Italians to cooperate with the Kerala law agencies to achieve an amicable solution. I am expecting the Italian foreign minister to come on the 28th," Mr Krishna said.
The minister had yesterday indulged in some tough talk, telling his Italian counterpart that the ship's crew must cooperate with Indian authorities. He later told the media that the loss of "innocent lives" could have been avoided had the naval personnel onboard Enrica Lexie been careful and exercised restraint.
The death of the fishermen has snowballed into a major diplomatic stand-off between both nations. Italy contends that the incident happened in international waters and hence, a case could not be made against its crew by Indian authorities. India, on its part, insists that the firing occurred in the contiguous zone that is well within its jurisdiction. The contiguous zone is a band of water extending from the outer edge of the territorial sea to up to 24 nautical miles or 44 kilometres from the baseline.
Ajesh Binki, 25, from Tamil Nadu and Gelastine, 45, from Kerala, were mistaken for pirates and shot dead by the crew of an Italian ship on Wednesday evening about 14 nautical miles off Alappuzha.
Read more at: Indian fishermen killed: Two Italian crew members charged with murder
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It all depends on if it happened in international waters or not. I am sure the ship's navigation system has the position on record.
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Armand,
It is quite hard for white people to accept their own arrested by native's. They usually come up with technicalities etc etc, while if the tables were turned, then the rule of law applies and human emotion of white people comes to play. It will be certain the brown skinned man will have to pay. All the while white people in Indian prisons, under lowly indian conditions and personnel, is unimaginable for them. It doesnt work with Indians, we dont see white people as superior nor are we oblivious to their double standards. It has been very clearly recorded by the Police, Coast Guard and Indian Navy, that this particular incident happened 20 Kilometers from Alleppy, It is our territorial waters, now even if they were international waters, they have killed two 'INNOCENT' brown skinned hard working Indians, they will be made to pay, and NO we are not Saudi Arabia, where the rich can get away by paying blood money. All hell will break loose in Kerala, if they are let off. We are not some sub-saharan african country, we will take this seriously.
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I heard it happened 28km from the coast which is international waters.
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Italians to face trouble for fishermen killings: Experts - India - DNA
Wednesday's killing of two Indian fishermen by the armed guards of Enrica Lexie, the Italian tanker off the Kochi coast is a terrible violation of human rights, according to the country's leading maritime experts.
"This is nothing but a blatant violation of human rights. Who is going to believe the claims of the Italians that they fired because they thought the fishermen to be pirates," Dr Jose Paul, former chairman, Jawaharlal Nehru Port, Mumbai, told DNA.
Dr Paul, an authority on maritime law and management, said it was illogical to believe that a small boat with 12 unarmed fishermen could be misunderstood as pirates.
"Whom are they trying to fool? Don't they have binoculars through which they could have ascertained the authenticity of the boat?" he asked.
If the arguments by veteran maritime experts are any indication, the Italians are in for trouble, real trouble.
"They could face charges for cold-blooded murder," said Captain Bhaskar Kunhi, a veteran navigator who is familiar with all the major oceans in the world. He said there was a globally accepted protocol to be followed in the eventuality of an attack by opirates. "Shooting to kill is never an accepted policy. All you have to do is to prevent the pirates from entering the ship while you are sailing," he said.
Captain Bhaskar said the Italian crew should have intimated theCoast Guard or Indian navy about any possibleattack by the pirates. "Both the Indian Navy and the Coast Guard are known for their prompt reactions in incidents like pirate attacks. They would have taken control of the situation within minutes since both are equipped with aircraft and high-speed boats," said Bhaskar with more than two decades of sailing experience behind him.
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They are checking on the GPS details!
Territorial waters, or a territorial sea, as defined by the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, is a belt of coastal waters extending at most 12 nautical miles (22 km; 14 mi) from the baseline (usually the mean low-water mark) of a coastal state.
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They killed Indians, and the rule of land will apply. We already hold them under our control. Those bastards should know that we aren't Somalia and they cannot get way by killing Indians.
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When the ship's crew is/are the defendant(s), I don't think one should rely on the ship's GPS systems and log books.
I'd like to see these trigger happy 'marksmen' serve their terms in an Indian jail. You kill Indians, you will be tried by an Indian court and you shall serve in Indian conditions. This will also send out a clear message to all and sundry not to act like a bunch of 17 year old Chuck Norris wannabes.
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I dont care where it happened, if it Indians were killed and our law enforcement agencies have gotten hold of the preptrators then by god, they better be tried and punished in India. If they Italians want to compensate the families, they can. But it will have no bearing on justice hammer, we arent saudi arabia. Indian government shall surely do what it can to compensate them.
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