Is this beastly behavior mundane in Middle East and North Africa?

[Virendra]

This video is reported to be showing a scene that took place in the streets of Egypt in broad daylight.
Two reportedly 'Christian' girls are seen getting kicked and molested by a group of men and women, who were also shouting terms and slogans like 'Nasara' and 'Allah-o-Akbar'.
Though the reports said that they were raped, it is clear from the video that the mob was trying to rip their clothes off.


Apart from the other very clear and common words heard in the audio, the term 'Nasara' literally means 'supporters' but has seen varied interpretations and applications in the course of history - most pertaining to Christians.
Some of these applications have been in derogatory sense as well. What the taste of application in this video is, one doesn't need to think twice.

I shudder to think, does this happen every now and then in the streets of MENA?

Regards,
Virendra

 

[Ray]

It is gruesome and indicative that there is no rule of law.

It also shows the apathy of the authorities in ensuring the basic human values that is essential to be displayed by a civilised society when it comes to minorities in the Middle East.

And anyway, it appears that women are not actually respected in the Middle East, no matter what is vocally proclaimed!

 

[Razor]

Not much can be expected from such primitive societies, which is what nations with Islamic law tend to be.

Reporter gets raped
MUSLIMS IN EGYPT RAPE REPORTER - YouTube


Anyway "nasara" means Christians, because Jesus(of Nazareth) was from Nazareth.

 

[I-G]

Sectarian violence started in Egypt mainly after the Mubarak Government was asking the coptic church to change its divorce law as Egyptian Christians females cant divorce their husbands and have second marriage without the approval of Church and by 2008 , Church was forced to give compensation

Until 2008, Egyptian civil courts made use of the 1938 bylaws without Shenouda's changes, leaving many Copts divorced in the eyes of the law, but not in those of the church.

Most divorced Copts bore this judgment, and the social isolation which it often brought, quietly. But one, Magdy William, ex-husband of Coptic actress Hala Sedky, changed all that.

Sedky had converted to another sect to get a divorce, which was granted in 2001. Yet Pope Shenouda refused to permit William a second marriage

In 2008, William won a lawsuit against the church ordering Pope Shenouda to pay compensation of LE150,000 as well as obliging the church to issue permission for a second marriage for William.

The case was hugely embarrassing for the church. In the same year, an amendment to the law published in the state's Official Gazette obliged courts to abide by the church's bylaws.

The change was slammed by many Copts and rights organizations, since the amendment was never approved either by Parliament or presidential decree. Farouk sees the move as a flagrant indication of the close ties between Mubarak regime and the papacy.

Farouk believes that, since then, 60,000 Copts have been left divorced, and unable to remarry. Naguib Gobrael, a lawyer for the church, told Egypt Independent that almost 12,000 have been divorced in front of civil courts, while 8,000 cases are still under investigation.
For Copts, marriage in the church may mean marriage to the church | Egypt Independent

and from here the level of sectarian increased and even the 2008 case in which a christian brother killed her sister husband as she embrace Islam .


Wednesday, 8 October 2008 07:47 UK
the murder of a Muslim whose wife converted to Islam against her Christian family's wishes.

Police said Mariam Khilla's brother, Rami, broke into their Cairo home and opened fire, killing her husband and injuring Mrs Khilla and their daughter.

Police sources said he had urged the couple to divorce and for Mrs Khilla to return to Christianity, but they had refused.
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Egyptian killed in sectarian row



Egypt's Interior Ministry said the attack Wednesday just before midnight was suspected as retaliation for the November rape of a Muslim girl by a Christian man in the same town. The statement said witnesses have identified the lead attacker.

Vendetta killing is also common among southern Egyptians, and is usually over land or family disputes.

Muslims kill 7 at Egypt church after Christians allegedly raped muslim girl | EUTimes.net




Copt accused of molesting Muslim girl released, leaves village
Seventy-three-year-old Copt accused of sexually assaulting Muslim child will not return to his village in Upper Egypt to avoid violence
Ahram Online , Monday 18 Feb 2013
Copt accused of molesting Muslim girl released, leaves village - Politics - Egypt - Ahram Online

 

[I-G]

Sectarian violence started in Egypt mainly after the Mubarak Government was asking the coptic church to change its divorce law as Egyptian Christians females cant divorce their husbands and have second marriage without the approval of Church and by 2008 , Church was forced to give compensation

Until 2008, Egyptian civil courts made use of the 1938 bylaws without Shenouda's changes, leaving many Copts divorced in the eyes of the law, but not in those of the church.

Most divorced Copts bore this judgment, and the social isolation which it often brought, quietly. But one, Magdy William, ex-husband of Coptic actress Hala Sedky, changed all that.

Sedky had converted to another sect to get a divorce, which was granted in 2001. Yet Pope Shenouda refused to permit William a second marriage

In 2008, William won a lawsuit against the church ordering Pope Shenouda to pay compensation of LE150,000 as well as obliging the church to issue permission for a second marriage for William.

The case was hugely embarrassing for the church. In the same year, an amendment to the law published in the state's Official Gazette obliged courts to abide by the church's bylaws.

The change was slammed by many Copts and rights organizations, since the amendment was never approved either by Parliament or presidential decree. Farouk sees the move as a flagrant indication of the close ties between Mubarak regime and the papacy.

Farouk believes that, since then, 60,000 Copts have been left divorced, and unable to remarry. Naguib Gobrael, a lawyer for the church, told Egypt Independent that almost 12,000 have been divorced in front of civil courts, while 8,000 cases are still under investigation.
For Copts, marriage in the church may mean marriage to the church | Egypt Independent

and from here the level of sectarian increased and even the 2008 case in which a christian brother killed her sister husband as she embrace Islam .


Wednesday, 8 October 2008 07:47 UK
the murder of a Muslim whose wife converted to Islam against her Christian family's wishes.

Police said Mariam Khilla's brother, Rami, broke into their Cairo home and opened fire, killing her husband and injuring Mrs Khilla and their daughter.

Police sources said he had urged the couple to divorce and for Mrs Khilla to return to Christianity, but they had refused.
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Egyptian killed in sectarian row



Egypt's Interior Ministry said the attack Wednesday just before midnight was suspected as retaliation for the November rape of a Muslim girl by a Christian man in the same town. The statement said witnesses have identified the lead attacker.

Vendetta killing is also common among southern Egyptians, and is usually over land or family disputes.

Muslims kill 7 at Egypt church after Christians allegedly raped muslim girl | EUTimes.net




Copt accused of molesting Muslim girl released, leaves village
Seventy-three-year-old Copt accused of sexually assaulting Muslim child will not return to his village in Upper Egypt to avoid violence
Ahram Online , Monday 18 Feb 2013
Copt accused of molesting Muslim girl released, leaves village - Politics - Egypt - Ahram Online

 

[Ray]

Individual aberration in any country or religious groups can be comprehended

Individuals will be individuals and do not have the same attitudinal or psychological mindset.

However, when the community as a religious group commits atrocities or encourages separatism, then the situation is different.

 

[Virendra]

There are so many examples of this behavior :

A group of Muslim men who abducted and raped two teenage girls as part of their Eid celebrations laughed in court yesterday as they were jailed for a total of 38 years.
The girls, aged 15 and 16, were lured miles from their home to a dingy hostel.

In a horrifying weekend-long ordeal, they were plied with alcohol and repeatedly raped by two men, Shamrez Rashid and Amar Hussain, before being offered to a number of others who also 'used them for sex'.

The 16-year old was forced to have sex six times with four different men.
The younger victim was raped by one man and then sexually assaulted by another.

One defendant, Rashid, 20, was said to have claimed the girls had enjoyed the sex, which he said had taken place as they celebrated the Muslim festival of Eid.
'It was Eid,' he said. 'We treated them as our guests. OK, so they gave us but we were buying them food and drink.

'They could have anything they wanted. They enjoyed it.'
His accomplice Amar Hussain, 22, claimed the girls were 'slags'.
....
....
After raping the girls, they 'in effect offered them up to their friends, introducing a string of young men into the house'.
Over the following 36 hours, the girls were subjected to almost constant abuse, despite begging their attackers to stop.

The 16-year-old was left with bruising all over her face and neck after she was forced to perform a sex act on Hussain.
She was then forced to have sex with Rashid and a third man, Adil Saleem, while others watched.

The court heard how she held on to a door frame to try to stop her attacker dragging her into a bedroom, but was pushed inside and the door locked behind her.
She was warned that her attackers were in a gang known as the B9 Crew, and that 'when someone pressed charges against them, they went to their mother's house, put a gun to her face and broke her jaw'.

 

[sydsnyper]

You know what, the funny thing is that the middle east reports very low figures of violence of women. Knowing how women are looked upon in the middle east, a woman journalist went around making inquiries and documenting cases of eve teasing (and if I remember it right, it was egypt). Her report highlighted that a stunning majority of the cases of abuse on women go unreported because of cultural reasons, threats, shame, lack of proper judicial structure to handle cases and of course the famous requirement of needing four witnesses !!!!

There are so many examples of this behavior :

A group of Muslim men who abducted and raped two teenage girls as part of their Eid celebrations laughed in court yesterday as they were jailed for a total of 38 years.
The girls, aged 15 and 16, were lured miles from their home to a dingy hostel.

In a horrifying weekend-long ordeal, they were plied with alcohol and repeatedly raped by two men, Shamrez Rashid and Amar Hussain, before being offered to a number of others who also 'used them for sex'.

The 16-year old was forced to have sex six times with four different men.
The younger victim was raped by one man and then sexually assaulted by another.

One defendant, Rashid, 20, was said to have claimed the girls had enjoyed the sex, which he said had taken place as they celebrated the Muslim festival of Eid.
'It was Eid,' he said. 'We treated them as our guests. OK, so they gave us but we were buying them food and drink.

'They could have anything they wanted. They enjoyed it.'
His accomplice Amar Hussain, 22, claimed the girls were 'slags'.
....
....
After raping the girls, they 'in effect offered them up to their friends, introducing a string of young men into the house'.
Over the following 36 hours, the girls were subjected to almost constant abuse, despite begging their attackers to stop.

The 16-year-old was left with bruising all over her face and neck after she was forced to perform a sex act on Hussain.
She was then forced to have sex with Rashid and a third man, Adil Saleem, while others watched.

The court heard how she held on to a door frame to try to stop her attacker dragging her into a bedroom, but was pushed inside and the door locked behind her.
She was warned that her attackers were in a gang known as the B9 Crew, and that 'when someone pressed charges against them, they went to their mother's house, put a gun to her face and broke her jaw'.

 

[civfanatic]

One might mind as well ask if rape is mundane behavior in North India.

 

[sydsnyper]

Dude, comparing known figures with population densities, India does not have as high figures people like you have been saying. There are crimes here, yes, but there is also a justice system to give justice to the victims, unlike the example here where you have to produce four witnesses without which the victim bears the punishment (and thus majority of crimes against women go unheard)

One might mind as well ask if rape is mundane behavior in North India.

 

[Ray]

Rape is a scourge everywhere.

Some countries report such incidents with all seriousness, some don't.

Therefore, really one doesn't know the truth.

 

[Blackwater]

This video is reported to be showing a scene that took place in the streets of Egypt in broad daylight.
Two reportedly 'Christian' girls are seen getting kicked and molested by a group of men and women, who were also shouting terms and slogans like 'Nasara' and 'Allah-o-Akbar'.
Though the reports said that they were raped, it is clear from the video that the mob was trying to rip their clothes off.


Apart from the other very clear and common words heard in the audio, the term 'Nasara' literally means 'supporters' but has seen varied interpretations and applications in the course of history - most pertaining to Christians.
Some of these applications have been in derogatory sense as well. What the taste of application in this video is, one doesn't need to think twice.

I shudder to think, does this happen every now and then in the streets of MENA?

Regards,
Virendra

that''s called Pakistani effect or syndrome.

thakedari effect or syndrome

 

[LordOfTheUnderworlds]

Effect of imbalance of yin and yang in society? Unrestrained testosterone effect? This sort of behaviour has to be more common in a society which puts too much emphasis on masculinity and suppresses and disrespects feminity which is common in societies ruled by religions and laws and social values that are created exclusively by power and sex hungry men.