Is it possible for India to give an energy and trade route to China ?

[Sabir]

Please share your opinion-

1) Is it possible for India to give an energy and trade route to China - say from a port in Gujrat to Tibet directly or via Nepal? Is it possible geographically and technologically?

2) If possible how much help It would be for China or specifically saying development of Tibet region.

3) Does such route give India better bergaining power to India regarding border issue ?

4)Do you think such route will be a better option for China than Gwadar port and Karakoram Highway in a unstable country?

5) Do you think Such route increase Indo-China economic cooperation?

6) Do you think economic interest of China in India and its investment here will be a better detterence than Missiles and fighter planes?

7) Do you think transit through India and increasing trade will reduce the importance of Pakistan to China?

8)Do you think such development can eliminate the threat of two front war?

9)What will be the reaction of Tibetians towards such development? Do you think such development will bring prosperity to Tibet?

10) How do you think it will affect the foreign policy of our small neighbours who like to play China card?

(PS: India's official stance is that Tibet is a part of China ...)

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Does such route give India better bargaining power to India regarding border issue?

That approach is bass-ackwards. Make demands and then offer access route. Starting with giving China anything is hopeless.

 

[Sabir]

That approach is bass-ackwards. Make demands and then offer access route. Starting with giving China anything is hopeless.

A transit is not possible unless both the countries put a lot of money to build the infrastracture. Dont forget It has to pass the Himalayan region and requires huge fund and engineering skill. If agreed both parties have to put its share. Now , I think its easier to bergain when the other party is tied with huge investment.

 

[datguy79]

A transit is not possible unless both the countries put a lot of money to build the infrastracture. Dont forget It has to pass the Himalayan region and requires huge fund and engineering skill. If agreed both parties have to put its share. Now , I think its easier to bergain when the other party is tied with huge investment.

Why would China do that when its energy interests are already secured via Russia/Central Asia?

 

[Sabir]

Why would China do that when its energy interests are already secured via Russia/Central Asia?

In 2011, China imported 2.9 million barrels per day (b/d) of Middle Eastern oil, which accounted for 60 percent of China's oil imports. Saudi Arabia is the largest exporter for China.

Chinese companies are heavily investing in Iran and Iraq; developing at least 5 oil fields in these two countries.

China has to take a long route through the Indian Ocean, skirting India and Sri Lanka , then through strait of malacca to china Sea. Again, to supply the same oil to its western part it has to take a long land transport. So they are considering to build pipeline through Myanmar. Besides they have built Gwadar port in Pakistan and Karakoram Highway. But, turbulance in Pakistan is problem for the security of the transport.

Using a port in Gujrat; if possible building a refinary jointly with India , China can save a lot of transport cost by sending it to Tibet region directly or via Nepal. India has other benefit than transit fees. For example , if there is a Indo-China refinary in Jamnagar, Pakistan will have to think twice before attacking it in case of any war.

 

[no smoking]

In 2011, China imported 2.9 million barrels per day (b/d) of Middle Eastern oil, which accounted for 60 percent of China's oil imports. Saudi Arabia is the largest exporter for China.

Chinese companies are heavily investing in Iran and Iraq; developing at least 5 oil fields in these two countries.

China has to take a long route through the Indian Ocean, skirting India and Sri Lanka , then through strait of malacca to china Sea. Again, to supply the same oil to its western part it has to take a long land transport. So they are considering to build pipeline through Myanmar. Besides they have built Gwadar port in Pakistan and Karakoram Highway. But, turbulance in Pakistan is problem for the security of the transport.

Using a port in Gujrat; if possible building a refinary jointly with India , China can save a lot of transport cost by sending it to Tibet region directly or via Nepal. India has other benefit than transit fees. For example , if there is a Indo-China refinary in Jamnagar, Pakistan will have to think twice before attacking it in case of any war.

From the map, this pipeline would be the shortest. But economically its cost would be highest and technically it would be most difficult one considering its geological envrionment! In the near future, the oil demands in tibet will be far lower than any of its neighbour provinces. So, China don't need a pipeline through tibet for NOW!

 

[Sabir]

From the map, this pipeline would be the shortest. But economically its cost would be highest and technically it would be most difficult one considering its geological envrionment! In the near future, the oil demands in tibet will be far lower than any of its neighbour provinces. So, China don't need a pipeline through tibet for NOW!

Can you give some idea about the trade route and trade pattern between China and middle east and Africa?

BTW , I think a route from Gujrat from the East China through Tibet will be the shortest one too...There is already roads beetween India and nepal...and Nepal and China...Both China and India is capable of building the road network in these region as it is already proven by Karakoram Highway and Kashmir Railway.

 

[Yusuf]

Why would China do that when its energy interests are already secured via Russia/Central Asia?

Why then is China in Gwadar and also have shown interest in Chhabar?

 

[Sabir]

Different alternatives available to China-

 

[TrueSpirit]

Can you give some idea about the trade route and trade pattern between China and middle east and Africa?

BTW , I think a route from Gujrat from the East China through Tibet will be the shortest one too...There is already roads beetween India and nepal...and Nepal and China...Both China and India is capable of building the road network in these region as it is already proven by Karakoram Highway and Kashmir Railway.

Or, maybe from Jamnagar- NE India- Mynamar- South Eastern Chinese provinces ?
@no smoking: Does this makes any sense ?

 

[Ray]

Please share your opinion-

1) Is it possible for India to give an energy and trade route to China - say from a port in Gujrat to Tibet directly or via Nepal? Is it possible geographically and technologically?

2) If possible how much help It would be for China or specifically saying development of Tibet region.

3) Does such route give India better bergaining power to India regarding border issue ?

4)Do you think such route will be a better option for China than Gwadar port and Karakoram Highway in a unstable country?

5) Do you think Such route increase Indo-China economic cooperation?

6) Do you think economic interest of China in India and its investment here will be a better detterence than Missiles and fighter planes?

7) Do you think transit through India and increasing trade will reduce the importance of Pakistan to China?

8)Do you think such development can eliminate the threat of two front war?

9)What will be the reaction of Tibetians towards such development? Do you think such development will bring prosperity to Tibet?

10) How do you think it will affect the foreign policy of our small neighbours who like to play China card?

(PS: India's official stance is that Tibet is a part of China ...)

China has a rail and Highway link to Nepal.

It does not matter what India wants.

What matters is what China wants.

China will want no easy link with India through Tibet.

They are petrified of the Dalai Lama!

And rightly so,since the Dalai Lama is giving them nightmares, so much so they have realised that they can do nothing and so they have allowed after a 17 year ban to allow the Dalai Lama's photo to be displayed.

But wily and sneaky that the Han are, it is being done to see who are against China and soon they will be shoved in to the Laogai and lost forever!

 

[Sabir]

Or, maybe from Jamnagar- NE India- Mynamar- South Eastern Chinese provinces ?
@no smoking: Does this makes any sense ?

Jamnagar to NE will be a long route which takes away the benefit. It will be prudent to reach Myanmar directly by sea and then to China. It is better to look an option from North India to China...possibly via Nepal as such route already exists. We just need to improve it.

 

[TrueSpirit]

China has a rail and Highway link to Nepal.

It does not matter what India wants.

What matters is what China wants.

China will want no easy link with India through Tibet.

They are petrified of the Dalai Lama!

And rightly so,since the Dalai Lama is giving them nightmares, so much so they have realised that they can do nothing and so they have allowed after a 17 year ban to allow the Dalai Lama's photo to be displayed.

But wily and sneaky that the Han are, it is being done to see who are against China and soon they will be shoved in to the Laogai and lost forever!

Excellent "reading between the lines" , Sir.

 

[TrueSpirit]

Can you give some idea about the trade route and trade pattern between China and middle east and Africa?

BTW , I think a route from Gujrat from the East China through Tibet will be the shortest one too...There is already roads beetween India and nepal...and Nepal and China...Both China and India is capable of building the road network in these region as it is already proven by Karakoram Highway and Kashmir Railway.

Or, maybe from Jamnagar- NE India- Mynamar- South Eastern Chinese provinces ?
@no smoking: Does this makes any sense ?

Jamnagar to NE will be a long route which takes away the benefit. It will be prudent to reach Myanmar directly by sea and then to China. It is better to look an option from North India to China...possibly via Nepal as such route already exists. We just need to improve it.

Similarly, when you ship it through Tibet (with much lower demand than other Chinese provinces), the purpose of cost-effectiveness is defeated.

By the way, is it possible to quantify (by rough measurements), what is cheaper between the two:

Jamnagar- NE States (land-route) or, Saudi/Oman - Burma port (sea-route)

 

[amoy]

Engineering challenges aside, Tibet is just far far away from Chinese economic heartland.

In contrast Gwadar-Kashgar route can connect onto existing West-East pipelines to coastal destinations.

The trans-Myanmar pipelines that were completed this May lead to hubs like Kunming and Chongqing.

 

[Sabir]

Re: Is it possible for India to give an energy and trade route to Chin

Engineering challenges aside, Tibet is just far far away from Chinese economic heartland.

In contrast Gwadar-Kashgar route can connect onto existing West-East pipelines to coastal destinations.

The trans-Myanmar pipelines that were completed this May lead to hubs like Kunming and Chongqing.

Can you give us some idea about economic prospect of Tibet region...Does its geography or resources supportive of any industry? We heard about development of infrastructure by the Chinese government.