IS Indian Defence Getting WEAK?????

[SHASH2K2]

biggest problem for India defence is the lack of indigenious defence manufacturing. the lack of defence industry make India hardky sustain a long-term war of attrition against any of majore powers

Reason behind this is that we donot have that super special Xerox machine of your that produces better copies that the original Equipments. Looks like we need to work on getting good Quality copier first. There is no point in making something Indigenously if its crap.

 

[ZOOM]

biggest problem for India defence is the lack of indigenious defence manufacturing. the lack of defence industry make India hardky sustain a long-term war of attrition against any of majore powers

Oh please first treat your english, despite your presence on Indian Defence Forum's, you haven't even improved a bit.

Getting back to topic, There is nothing lacking as far as Indigenious defence manufacuring base is concerned, rather it is culture and thinking that is making a big difference. Someone like China, Russia and US are great advocates of Military Powers to further their policy and India doesn't see that way.

 

[ZOOM]

Reason behind this is that we donot have that super special Xerox machine of your that produces better copies that the original Equipments. Looks like we need to work on getting good Quality copier first. There is no point in making something Indigenously if its crap.

Copying has its own advantage as far as it can create positive deterrance value. It may not have create spoil on India's image if India had seen that way.

 

[SHASH2K2]

Copying has its own advantage as far as it can create positive deterrance value. It may not have create spoil on India's image if India had seen that way.

Copy can only produce inferior quality product against Chinese claim of being superior to the original. I was not supporting that we should start copying. I was just pointing out to their believe that they have superior quality weapons compared to us or Russians.

 

[Parthy]

Parthy, For the Last time, Please Post Links to the Articles, unless this is your own written piece. God Speed

I aplogise for that. didn't noticed the last time msg from the moderator..:emot100:

 

[Parthy]

dont worry friends at the moment we are worrying about IAF low nos but a day will arrive soon when our adversaries will be worrying about us

But the slow down in modernization is not the case only with IAF. It is there with all the 3 services. We have problem with

Army - Towed and Wheeled Howitzers are out phased.
IAF - Depreciating Squadron strength
NAVY - Insufficient Surface and Sub fleet to cover the vast Ocean boundary... :emot0:

 

[hitenray09]

so what these all are under consideration
army: new howitzer trails, rfi are on order are on apart from US we r expecting to get some
IAF: acquisition of news acs and systems will help in incresing it major leap by mki, tejas, mmrca
Navy: 12 scorpenes on pipeline, 2 ac carriers, 20 fast attack craft , etc

 

[Parthy]

so what these all are under consideration
army: new howitzer trails, rfi are on order are on apart from US we r expecting to get some
IAF: acquisition of news acs and systems will help in incresing it major leap by mki, tejas, mmrca
Navy: 12 scorpenes on pipeline, 2 ac carriers, 20 fast attack craft , etc

Give me one acquisition which is on track... We know that AC Vikramaditya is behind schedule by 2 years and the cost has got escalated to more than 200%. Its been commited that AC will be inducted late 2012 or early 2013, and we don't know that for sure...

For Army, the towed howitzers order has been scrapped twice since Bofors scandal.... And still things are not finalised..

For IAF, there was delay in MMRCA deal in selecting the fighter.. Thank God C130J deal is right on track except for skipping CISMOA.... FGFA prototype still under testing...

We have our acquisitions in our pocket, but the main problem is DELAY....... And now there's another question "How much delay???" :emot0:

 

[hitenray09]

the major problem for india is everything is taken for granted here.
russia delays the delivery of every weapon system it has built for india from months to years
all our psu like hal , ada all run behind schedule bcoz the r prime players in this field no one is going to kick them off from their comfort zone
same wth the ship building yards
all are taking our needs for granted
this is the problem wth india

 

[Parthy]

Commanders conference​

Govt must be sensitive to the Services' needs

Every year the defence minister twice formally addresses and interacts with the Army's top brass comprising its chief, vice chief and the seven regional commanders along with several other senior ranking officers holding pivotal positions at Army headquarters. Both the annual Service-specific Commanders conference and the Combined Commanders Conference are occasions when the military's entire top rung leadership meets to discuss national security and take a comprehensive look at matters pertaining to the internal state of the services.

It was in such a forum Defence Minister AK Antony on Monday rhetorically stated that terrorism would be crushed while simultaneously calling upon Pakistan to shed its ambivalence on terrorism. That the defence minister chose to mention this at an Army Commanders Conference reflects on the extent to which the Army has become a part of the country's efforts to quell insurgency and safeguard internal security. Indeed, the Army's otherwise secondary role of 'aid to civil power' has over the years become a pivotal if not primary role and that too on a seemingly permanent basis.

But this is only one dimension to India's security concerns. China's ongoing and fast paced military modernisation programme along with that country's well entrenched strategic encirclement of India is a matter of grave concern. But the Indian Army, the world's third largest, will remain handicapped unless the government addresses a long list of wide ranging serious problems that it is facing. From both a qualitative and quantitative decline in the Army's officer cadre, which includes a growing incidence of corruption by senior officers, to grave equipment deficiencies, the Indian Army is silently facing considerable internal challenges. All these issues are expected to figure in discussions during the ongoing Army Commanders Conference. But in a country where civilian control of the military rightly remains supreme, it is for the political executive, starting with Defence Minister A.K. Antony, who must take notice and address these issues on an urgent basis.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2010/20101027/edit.htm#2

 

[hitenray09]

Commanders conference​

But this is only one dimension to India's security concerns. China's ongoing and fast paced military modernisation programme along with that country's well entrenched strategic encirclement of India is a matter of grave concern. But the Indian Army, the world's third largest, will remain handicapped unless the government addresses a long list of wide ranging serious problems that it is facing. From both a qualitative and quantitative decline in the Army's officer cadre, which includes a growing incidence of corruption by senior officers, to grave equipment deficiencies, the Indian Army is silently facing considerable internal challenges. All these issues are expected to figure in discussions during the ongoing Army Commanders Conference. But in a country where civilian control of the military rightly remains supreme, it is for the political executive, starting with Defence Minister A.K. Antony, who must take notice and address these issues on an urgent basis.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2010/20101027/edit.htm#2

see the maain defect in our armed forces

 

[Parthy]

DELAY in acquisitions.. DELAY in addressing concerns.. DELAY in enquireis.... DELAY in justice..

DELAY.. DELAY.. DELAY.. :emot0:

 

[ajtr]

The right question to be asked:
Is indian defence knowingly and intentionally kept weak by the powers to be in the GOI???

 

[maomao]

Tareek pe Tareek! Tareek pe Tareek......Where is my Dhai Kilo ka Haath?:happy_2:

 

[Singh]

dont worry friends at the moment we are worrying about IAF low nos but a day will arrive soon when our adversaries will be worrying about us

why should the adversaries wait for India to arrive ?

 

[Parthy]

You know what!! The only sanction which happened without any delay is 300% hike for MP's... :emot15: :emot15: :emot15:

All Tax Payers money!!! :emot154: If the IAF has produced the field report to MoD then why the heck they're delaying the process.. After this they'll provide a window for the contenders to re-submit their prices too.... :emot159:

Wherever we go in India starting from IT COS to small industries there are politics..... Now it surfaced well in Defence Industry...

 

[Tshering22]

The civilian government is paranoid of military power increasing in India since the days of Indira Gandhi's failure in 70s on economy when Gen. Manekshaw was feared to take over the regime as he was people's hero after 71 war. But the great man refused to meddle in politics and told IG to stay out of military. Since then, Congress especially has a paranoia of armed forces.

 

[Parthy]

The civilian government is paranoid of military power increasing in India since the days of Indira Gandhi's failure in 70s on economy when Gen. Manekshaw was feared to take over the regime as he was people's hero after 71 war. But the great man refused to meddle in politics and told IG to stay out of military. Since then, Congress especially has a paranoia of armed forces.

But it is not that easy for armed forces to take control of the large democratic... And we do have a very disciplined forces than any other nation.. :happy_8:

 

[maomao]

The civilian government is paranoid of military power increasing in India since the days of Indira Gandhi's failure in 70s on economy when Gen. Manekshaw was feared to take over the regime as he was people's hero after 71 war. But the great man refused to meddle in politics and told IG to stay out of military. Since then, Congress especially has a paranoia of armed forces.

India is not Islamic Republic of "land of the Pure", where army utters the word "Islam in Danger" and all hell breaks lose, furthermore, deluded Islamic awam crowns mercenary (read: payment only in Dollars) army with full power over democratically elected government, allowing its mercenary army to conduct genocides of its own people in the name of Islam and one-unit (actually its services provided in return for payment received from its masters).

 

[ajtr]

India is not Islamic Republic of "land of the Pure", where army utters the word "Islam in Danger" and all hell breaks lose, furthermore, deluded Islamic awam crowns mercenary (read: payment only in Dollars) army with full power over democratically elected government, allowing its mercenary army to conduct genocides of its own people in the name of Islam and one-unit (actually its services provided in return for payment received from its masters).

unfortunately this was one of the fear since nehru days.Thats y u see seperation between army and the central police forces like CRPF and BSF etc which directly comes under home ministry not the defence ministry or the army.And there is also 1:1 ratio between army and the the central police forces.So in that sense its difficult for any army general to do coup in india.