IPI Pipeline Discussion Thread

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  1. youngindian

    youngindian Senior Member Senior Member

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    India denies US pressure, keeps Iran pipeline option ope

    New Delhi, April 3 (IANS) Denying any US pressure on its ties with Iran, India has decided to nominate its ambassador to participate in a meet on nuclear disarmament in Tehran and stressed that it has not shut its door on the pipeline project.
    Four days after the Nuclear Security Summit in the US, Iran, under escalating international pressure over its nuclear programme, will be hosting a two-day conference April 17 on nuclear disarmament and has sought India’s support for this initiative.

    India’s Ambassador to Iran Sanjay Singh will participate in the April 17-18 Tehran meet on nuclear disarmament entitled “Nuclear Energy for All, Nuclear Weapon for None.”

    Keen to keep its bilateral ties on track, India has not withdrawn from the proposed $7.5 billion tri-nation pipeline, well-placed sources Saturday said.

    “We haven’t shut the door on dialogue. Besides pricing and security issues, the volatile situation in Pakistan also has a bearing on the project,” the source said.

    Last month, Iran and Pakistan struck a bilateral pact on the pipeline project, but left the door open for India to join in at a later stage.

    Underlining India’s civilisational ties with Iran, the sources pointed out that Tehran is important for New Delhi not just for energy but also for strategic reasons in Afghanistan.

    India, Iran and Russia had cooperated closely in propping up the Northern Alliance after the US-led ouster of the Taliban regime late 2001.

    The source also denied any American pressure on India to scale down its ties with Iran, saying New Delhi’s ties with Tehran stand independently of its relations with other countries.

    Alluding to additional sanctions contemplated by the five permanent members of the UN Security Council and Germany against the Iranian regime in the UN Security Council, the source said India has always advocated dialogue to resolve the issue and pressed Tehran to adhere to its obligations under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT).

    In November last year, India had backed an international resolution for the third time against Iran over its nuclear programme, but qualified it by saying it was opposed to “a renewed punitive approach or sanctions” and stressed the need for “keeping doors open for dialogue”.

    http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal...eeps-iran-pipeline-option-open_100343068.html
     
  2. sob

    sob Moderator Moderator

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    Vinod, For US $ 2 billion it is a very small price for China to keep Pakistan at our throat. Remember the point is not that the Chinese need this Gas, they have signed deals wth the Russians for the Siberian gas, they have signed agreements in the CAR for a gas pipeline. IMO this money is for the Pakistani's to construct the pipeline. This is the only way the IP pipeline will be commercially viable.
     
  3. pankaj nema

    pankaj nema Senior Member Senior Member

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    Read this guys
    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2010\03\17\story_17-3-2010_pg5_8

    What interesting is that
    1. even site survey and documentation has not started.
    2. work will begin AFTER 4 years.
    3. project cost as estimated now is 4 billion USD . After 4 years this will go up.

    So far only the gas supply and purchase agree ment ie price has been agreed to between
    Iran and Pakistan.

    Now the difficult part of the task ie design ,equipment, technology and money is all dependent on
    China.
    Baloochistan is simmering with discontent .So there will be "trouble"

    Pakistan is so severely in debt and chinese are in no mood for charity.
    So reports of chinese assistance are just being manufactured by pakistan government.
     
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    Trilateral gas pipeline talks planned for next month in Tehran:Deora



    New Delhi -- India has proposed fresh trilateral talks to be held in Tehran next month and is optimistic that the proposal on the Iran-Pakistan-India natural gas pipeline will be accepted. ''We had initiated the trilateral talks in 2007 among the three governments and such discussions are ongoing,'' Minister for Petroleum and Natural Gas Murli Deora told reporters at the Consulate General of India in New York, Doordarshan News Website reported.

    A bilateral agreement was signed between Iran and Pakistan earlier this year on the $ 7.5 billion gas pipeline, a venture in which New Delhi has shown interest for obtaining gas.

    Earlier, India proposed dialogue with Iran to discuss impediments in implementation of the Iran-Pakistan-India (IPI) gas pipeline project. Petroleum Minister Murli Deora on March 31 met Iran's Deputy Minister for International Affairs H Noghrehkar Shirazi on the sidelines of the 12th International Energy Forum in Cancun, Mexico to propose bilateral talks in May.

    The pipeline has been on the drawing board since the mid-1990s, when Iran and India inked preliminary agreements to transport gas through Pakistan. It was dubbed the 'Peace Pipeline' because of hopes it would lead to a detente between neighbours India and Pakistan.
     
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    Not sure about the accuracy of this article
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    India considering return to Iranian gas - Tehran Times

     
  7. nrupatunga

    nrupatunga Senior Member Senior Member

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    This is from press tv .
    But still, is this correct??

    India voices willingness to resume ‘IPI’ gas pipeline negotiations

    I thought IPI is done deal, no more going back on ipi. Seems india is still doing flip flops on ipi. Or is this some message being sent to china??


    Only good thing is this
     
  8. Singh

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    IPI Pipeline is ironically a pipe dream.
     
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    nrupatunga Senior Member Senior Member

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    @Singh why are we again bringing the issue with iranians again?? What about TAPI pipeline, can the yanks really gurantee us oil/gas from turkmenistan in any scenario?
     
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  10. Singh

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    TAPI Pipeline was explored to assuage Americans. The problems with TAPI and IPI both is the P in the middle.

    For IPI we need a few things
    1. Good rates to offset any potential adverse US economic action or catastrophic change in Iran and/or Pakistan. We are not going to pay market prices for Iranian Gas.
    2. Guarantees from Pakistan that it will provide security. Pakistan cannot be trusted either.
    3. Paying only for the amount we consume. If Pakistan stops flow, we don't pay for Gas we don't consume.
     
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  11. nrupatunga

    nrupatunga Senior Member Senior Member

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    The guarantee from pakistan is not worth the paper it's written on. Afterall what are the non-state actors there for??

    So should we go for ipi or tapi at all??
     
  12. Singh

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    TAPI is a long shot because A and P in the middle are a major security concern.
    IPI only if Iranians are amenable to our terms ie give us great rates, and we'll only pay for what we consume.
    In any case we can't put our eggs in either basket because of Pakistan.

    Qatar is a better option.
     

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