INSAS Rifle, LMG & Carbine

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  1. Kchontha

    Kchontha Regular Member

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    Better obf hire a western gunsmith..........

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  2. Neeraj Mathur

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    look there is no standard ak in our forces
    i feel 203 will change that

    the initial order that will be produced will go to the army and the units that use only aks

    next order which i feel will be used as surplus will go toward standardization of ak with all the forces be it paramilitary and othrs

    there ar some units in our forces that uses different caliber than ak so these will be exception.
     
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    capf have their own aquisition system independent of the army.
     
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    abingdonboy Senior Member Senior Member

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    This isn’t how it works anymore.

    People still saying stupid things like “new rifles go
    To army then army gives their old rifles to CAPFs etc”

    No. It doesn’t happen now, all units have their own procurement systems and clearly CAPFs have a more efficient one considering they have FAR more
    Modern weapons than the frontline units of the army today.
     
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  5. Neeraj Mathur

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    i have never said that the old army rifles will go to the capfs

    pls read it again

    i said

    the first order or the initial order will be supplied to the army

    all i wanted to say that ak 203 will be a standard ak as we have multiple ak models in our forces
     
  6. Neeraj Mathur

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    i have already said the that there will be exceptions

    but i feel that the ak 203 will be the standard ak in our armed forces
     
  7. abingdonboy

    abingdonboy Senior Member Senior Member

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    As of now CRPF has not ordered 203, only the IA has.

    Anyone can order the 203 thereafter.
     
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    As the Bulgarian Aks are comparatively new and are also of high quality plus cheaper variants with rails are available CAPFs wont be putting new order for much costlier Ak203s any soon unless they want to replace Insas overnight
     
  9. Bhadra

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    All CAPF are structured, trained and equipped considering a Company to be the basic brick which can provide what police calls a "column". The battalion has six companies and can take on additional "columns" under command. The support elements are missing but administration elements are to be provided under battalion HQ. Battalion HQ has hardly any operational of functional role.

    CAPF is not trained and equipped as an "Infantry battalion" but as a reserve armed police force which is to be distributed down as per requirement. A force like CISF and CRPF have no logic to be structured or trained like Infantry.

    Even border holding forces like BSF, SSB and ITBP are structured and trained to guard the border as a police force and perform policing duties during peacetime.

    The basic task of Infantry in defensive operations is to hold ground against all forms of attacks including NBC attacks and in offensive operations to close in with enemy and destroy him with close quarter battle.
    No CAPF is capable of fulfilling those roles.


    So far as structuring goes all units / subunits of Infantry are structured and equipped down to a section on the basic need of "Fire and Move". CAPF is structured and trained to provide filling columns.

    No CAPF brass agrees to that. I only wish it were so and the country could have a lot of Armed Forces as reserve and not like CRPF of 1962 which lost all posts during pre-assault probing operations of the Chinese aggression.

    Even now after so much of modernisation no military commander can ever plan on some BSF or ITBP holding BOP in the face of enemy assault. It is counted as having gone ab initio. They can only function as a trip wire. They can only hold if mixed with Army platoon or company.

    On the other side, Chinese and Pakistani paramilitary forces are structured , trained and equipped on the lines of Infantry and officered by military commanders.
     
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    CRPF Jawan
    Arsenal M5F41
     
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    Shaitan Zandu balm all day Senior Member

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  12. padmaraj

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    its a overgrown INSAS. Its built on the exact same platform and re chambered to take in the 7.62/51. The fit and finish is abysmal.
     
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    I am very hope full that new OFB rifle will pass trials.
     
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  14. Kchontha

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    It will pass the rigourous Indian army test, but it will miss by one bullet or two, and then it will go to capf, state police, coast guards and cisf etc etc...

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    3 types of AK clones here
    From Left to right
    (1) Indian OFB GHATAK Rifle
    (2) Bulgarian Arsenal M1F41
    (3) Romanian Pm. MD 63 ( Bakelite Magazine )
     
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    Army to modify AK-47 to counter new terror tactics
    Even as the process to re-equip soldiers with a new contemporary assault rifle drags on, the Army is moving to modify the AK-47 rifles in its inventory with new accessories to meet its emerging operational requirements.

    A process has been initiated for acquiring “weapon speciality kits” that includes items like tactical flashlight, fiber reinforced pistol grip, swing swivel attachment, polymer rails, rubberised pistol fore front grip, cheek rest, pointing grip, extendable butt stock and side mount that can be attached to the rifle in the field as and when required.

    “Due to change in scenario and change in tactics being adopted by terrorists, there is a need to modify the AK-47 with arrangements to mount night sight, holographic sight, flash light and laser beam for early engagement of targets and to increase operational efficiency of troops,” states a request for information (RFI) floated by the Amy this week.



    While the indigenous INSAS rifle is the Army’s standard weapon, units deployed for counter-terrorism or other specialist tasks are equipped with different versions of the AK-47 for providing greater fire power that is needed for such operations. The Army wants to replace the INSAS which has not only become obsolete but is also prone to glitches.

    The weapon speciality kit comprises parts which can replace the existing parts of Rifle AK-47, thereby enhancing the utility of the weapon and at the same time make the firer comfortable and increase the chances of align engagement, the RFI adds.

    The items will not require any tool to fix on to the rifle and the exercise can be undertaken in field conditions during operations without the need to refer to a workshop or a skilled technician.

    The Army’s desire to procure new assault rifles has been bogged down for years due to financial constraints and red tape, with some reports indicating that only the infantry and some other arms will get new rifles. In February, a deal was signed to procure 72,400 Swiss SIG-716 assault rifles. A deal with Russia is also in the works to procure 6,50,000 Kalashnikov AK-103/203 assault rifles.


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    A process has been initiated for acquiring ‘weapon speciality kits’ that includes items like tactical flashlight, fiber reinforced pistol grip, swing swivel attachment, polymer rails, rubberised pistol fore front grip, cheek rest, pointing grip, extendable butt stock and side mount that can be attached to the rifle in the field as and when required
    http://www.defencenews.in/article/Army-to-modify-AK-47-to-counter-new-terror-tactics-585568
     
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    i looked for this RFI, nothing as such been released yet... i wonder what is the source of this article....
     
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    Indian Army Personal With Brand New Victrix Scorpio .338.

    Location : Undisclosed Location at LoC.
     
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    #IndianArmy New Beretta Victrix Scorpio TGT Sniper Rifle (.338 Lapua Magnum) Credits : Anung Walling
     
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    Livefist’s @ShivAroor scopes out an AK-203 today at Kalashnikov’s HQ in Moscow — the weapon will soon be the Indian Army’s primary assault rifle, manufactured en mass at a JV facility in Amethi, UP. Our recent report:
     

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