INS Vishal (IAC- II) Aircraft Carrier

Discussion in 'Indian Navy' started by john70, Aug 21, 2012.

  1. aditya10r

    aditya10r Mera Bharat mahan Senior Member

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2016
    Messages:
    5,104
    Likes Received:
    8,775
    Location:
    patna
    Sorry.
    Don't need this abomination.
    _________________________________________
     
    vampyrbladez, Kay and darshan978 like this.
  2. Immanuel

    Immanuel Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    May 16, 2011
    Messages:
    2,169
    Likes Received:
    2,965
    Well please explain why this is an abomination? If it comes for 5 billion and make in India with Indian mods (LR-SAM, QR-SAM) MFSTAR etc, I don't see why we have to break our heads for more than a decade to come up with our own. INS Vishal won't be ready for sea trials before 2032 and induction around 2035. With this we could shave off around 3-5 years of time. I would rather we order CSL to build another Vikrant class ship, order it now and we could have it by 2028.

    This ship would also allow for easy usage of existing Mig-29s, LCA mk-2 etc readily
     
    RAM, Filtercoffee, VIP and 3 others like this.
  3. Chinmoy

    Chinmoy Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2015
    Messages:
    4,517
    Likes Received:
    6,261
    Its not a Russian CMS. It has been designed with help of Russian consultancy. Point to note that the design is done by WESEE which is part of IN.
     
  4. aditya10r

    aditya10r Mera Bharat mahan Senior Member

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2016
    Messages:
    5,104
    Likes Received:
    8,775
    Location:
    patna
    I would also settle for an elongated version of INS VIKRANT(something like Charles de Gaulle carrier).
    Given it can only operate 1 type of aircraft now that is f-35,that makes things complicated for us.On one hand we are purchasing s-400 and we want to purchase f-35B,that won't go down well with Washington.

    HMS QE is a good ship that can take care of most British requirements but it doesn't fits our bill.It has a solid radar and propulsion system but 45000-50000 tonne VIKRANT makes far more sense.
     
    Immanuel likes this.
  5. Immanuel

    Immanuel Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    May 16, 2011
    Messages:
    2,169
    Likes Received:
    2,965
    Well true that it only operates the F-35 now, but being a STOBAR, under make in India it would hardly have any issues certifying the N-LCA, Mig-29K, eventually Block 3 SH or Rafale.
     
    aditya10r likes this.
  6. aditya10r

    aditya10r Mera Bharat mahan Senior Member

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2016
    Messages:
    5,104
    Likes Received:
    8,775
    Location:
    patna
    Yeah but that will require some heavy modifications to the design like adding an angled deck,maybe 1 more elevator,and probably removal of 1 island.

    A waste of opportunity for an elongated VIKRANT.
    AN elongated VIKRANT is the best shot we have in next 8-10 years,IEP+EMALS plus RAFALE and maybe Even E-2 hawkeye.
    That is the best AIRCRAFT CARRIER possible in small amount of money and in a shorter time frame while we put down money for VISHAL simultaneously.
     
    Willy3 and Aaj ka hero like this.
  7. Armand2REP

    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2009
    Messages:
    12,842
    Likes Received:
    5,099
    Who exactly is this Russian consultant? M/s MARS I have never heard of and can't find anything about it,
     
  8. Manish Singh

    Manish Singh New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2019
    Messages:
    2
    Likes Received:
    3
    Chinmoy likes this.
  9. Armand2REP

    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2009
    Messages:
    12,842
    Likes Received:
    5,099
  10. Chinmoy

    Chinmoy Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2015
    Messages:
    4,517
    Likes Received:
    6,261
    http://www.npomars.com/en/about/
     
  11. archie

    archie Regular Member

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2013
    Messages:
    502
    Likes Received:
    316
    Location:
    India

    QE2 Was designed as a CVN/CV and later decided to be a jump Deck due to projected cost of maintenance ..this was the original Design

    https://www.naval-technology.com/projects/cvf/

    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/02/06/defence_committee_carrier_badness/
     
    aditya10r and Kay like this.
  12. Kay

    Kay Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2014
    Messages:
    1,029
    Likes Received:
    1,286
    Location:
    Delhi
    BAE screwed British taxpayers with adaptable design scam, now they want to pull the same on us.
     
    Haldiram, Willy3 and aditya10r like this.
  13. Kay

    Kay Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2014
    Messages:
    1,029
    Likes Received:
    1,286
    Location:
    Delhi
    vampyrbladez and aditya10r like this.
  14. patriots

    patriots Defense lover Senior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2017
    Messages:
    2,655
    Likes Received:
    6,945
    Bdw imho.....india should go for a nuclear aircraft carrier......

    If technology not available to us.....
    Then we should go for a foreign partner......
     
    aditya10r and Haldiram like this.
  15. Haldiram

    Haldiram Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2018
    Messages:
    3,005
    Likes Received:
    11,438
    Just the idea of it gives me goosebumps. Once we have a nuclear ship with unlimited bluewater range, it wont be just #PKMKB, it'll be more like #Sabki MKB.
     
  16. Indx TechStyle

    Indx TechStyle War Mongerer Veteran Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2015
    Messages:
    11,593
    Likes Received:
    17,194
    Location:
    21°N 78°E / 21°N 78°E
    First get enough planes. I don't think we have enough even for Vikrant we are going to commission very soon.
    Leave alone for a supercarrier with large deck.
     
    aditya10r and captscooby81 like this.
  17. patriots

    patriots Defense lover Senior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2017
    Messages:
    2,655
    Likes Received:
    6,945
    Bhai navy is going for 57 jets...

    Hope this govt will clear.....that
    Vikrant will take at least 3 year's before commission...we have 45 mig29(including in order)
     
    aditya10r and Indx TechStyle like this.
  18. IndianHawk

    IndianHawk Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2016
    Messages:
    2,548
    Likes Received:
    3,997
    Range is still limited by food and fuel for aircrafts etc. Charles de Gaul is nuclear powered yet Wikipedia says it can only take 45 days of food.

    Same goes for jet fuel , you can only store so much. That is why American carriers are over 100k ton as storing more fuel/ ammo is necessary for longer endurance.

    Even then you need global port support for a carrier to have global operational capacity.

    We have no such need now. Expense of nuclear carrier and maintenance then more expense when disposing the nuclear reactor at the end doesn't justify our use case of dominating only Indian Ocean.

    Sent from my C103 using Tapatalk
     
  19. IndianHawk

    IndianHawk Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2016
    Messages:
    2,548
    Likes Received:
    3,997
    We have 45 mig29k 20 for each with 5 for spare training. ( I'm guessing)

    Wikipedia says both Vikramaditya and Vikrant can carry 26 jet + more helicopter.
    So 18-20 mig29 each is sufficient. Then navy lac mk2 is coming . Prototype is already building .it should come well before mwf. Hopefully by 2025-26. nlca mk2 and mig29k are enough for two carriers.

    Nlca mk2 can carry as much payload as mig29k or older hornet . ( Super hornet can carry more).
    With almost similar or even better range.

    57 RFI is for third super carrier as well as a hedge against nlca mk2 delays.

    But third carrier won't come before 2030 now even if sanctioned today. So no rush about naval fighter acquisition imo.

    Sent from my C103 using Tapatalk
     
    aditya10r and Indx TechStyle like this.
  20. IndianHawk

    IndianHawk Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2016
    Messages:
    2,548
    Likes Received:
    3,997
    Vikrant will be commissioned by 2021 as per naval chiefs statement.

    Sent from my C103 using Tapatalk
     

Share This Page