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India should have poured the fund into its own shipbuilding industry, instead of greedy russian.
without its own independent shipbuilding industry, Indian navy would just be a titan on sand feet.
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India Pays Additional USD 102 million for Speedier INS Vikramaditya Delivery
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India has paid an additional $102 million to Russia to speed up Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier refit project, even as officials from both sides are working overtime to break the deadlock over Moscow's fresh demand for $2.9 billion for the warship.
With the release of additional funds last week, India has now paid a total of $602 million for Admiral Gorshkov, purchased in 2004 for $964 million and currently undergoing repair and refit at Sevmash shipyard in north Russia, a Defence Ministry official said in New Delhi on Thursday.
Only last week a team of Defence Ministry officials had visited Moscow to discuss the scope of trials of the aircraft carrier.
This week, a team led by Defence Secretary Vijay Singh visited Moscow for the high-level monitoring committee meeting, where Russia's additional demand for $2.9 billion was discussed.
"It has been decided that by July we will come up with a firm cost (for Gorshkov) on the basis of which fresh inter-governmental agreement and a time schedule for delivery before December 2012 can be worked out, so it does not roll over to the next year. The final cost can be somewhere closer to $2.2 billion than $2.9 billion," the official said.
After India bought Admiral Gorshkov, it was sent for a refit at Sevmash, which was originally a submarine building yard. Since 2007, Russia has been making additional demand for the repair and refit project, citing cost over-runs due to increasing work on the warship, the Defence Ministry officials said.
Their first demand for hiking the cost came in 2007, when Russia sought an additional $1.2 billion for the aircraft carrier and to rework the original 2004 contract. India agreed to renegotiate the deal only in December last, after holding for long that there was no room for a fresh contract for the warship. But the Russians quoted their final figure of $2.9 billion in February this year.
"Another Defence Ministry team will be leaving for Moscow in the middle of June to work out the final details of the renegotiation," the official added.
Regarding the air element of the Gorshkov deal, the official said India had already purchased 16 MiG-29K fighters from Russia for around $550 million and there was an option available to buy 29 more of these aircraft and another six trainers, which is yet to be cleared by the Cabinet.
In fact, New Delhi is likely to order additional MiG-29K as it intends to also fly these fighters on its indigenous aircraft carrier, for which the keel-laying took place this February and which is scheduled to join the Navy in 2012, the official said.
"Already a batch of Navy fighter pilots has trained on MiG-29Ks and another batch of pilots would go in September this year to practice landings on Russian aircraft carrier Kuznetsov," the Defence Ministry official said.
But India was waiting to take a decision on the additional order for MiG-29Ks as it "did not want a situation when we have the aircraft, but not the warship on which it is to operate and the life of the aircraft is wasted.
"The question is whether we exercise this option of follow-on orders now or wait a bit, which will obviously lead to escalation in its cost," he added.
Asked about the Gorshkov repair work at Sevmash, the official said the shipyard had already engaged about 2,000 men from its workforce on the warship, which was just recently taken out of dry dock and was floating at present.
India Pays Additional USD 102 million for Speedier INS Vikramaditya Delivery | India Defence
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India has paid an additional $102 million to Russia to speed up Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier refit project, even as officials from both sides are working overtime to break the deadlock over Moscow's fresh demand for $2.9 billion for the warship.
With the release of additional funds last week, India has now paid a total of $602 million for Admiral Gorshkov, purchased in 2004 for $964 million and currently undergoing repair and refit at Sevmash shipyard in north Russia, a Defence Ministry official said in New Delhi on Thursday.
Only last week a team of Defence Ministry officials had visited Moscow to discuss the scope of trials of the aircraft carrier.
This week, a team led by Defence Secretary Vijay Singh visited Moscow for the high-level monitoring committee meeting, where Russia's additional demand for $2.9 billion was discussed.
"It has been decided that by July we will come up with a firm cost (for Gorshkov) on the basis of which fresh inter-governmental agreement and a time schedule for delivery before December 2012 can be worked out, so it does not roll over to the next year. The final cost can be somewhere closer to $2.2 billion than $2.9 billion," the official said.
After India bought Admiral Gorshkov, it was sent for a refit at Sevmash, which was originally a submarine building yard. Since 2007, Russia has been making additional demand for the repair and refit project, citing cost over-runs due to increasing work on the warship, the Defence Ministry officials said.
Their first demand for hiking the cost came in 2007, when Russia sought an additional $1.2 billion for the aircraft carrier and to rework the original 2004 contract. India agreed to renegotiate the deal only in December last, after holding for long that there was no room for a fresh contract for the warship. But the Russians quoted their final figure of $2.9 billion in February this year.
"Another Defence Ministry team will be leaving for Moscow in the middle of June to work out the final details of the renegotiation," the official added.
Regarding the air element of the Gorshkov deal, the official said India had already purchased 16 MiG-29K fighters from Russia for around $550 million and there was an option available to buy 29 more of these aircraft and another six trainers, which is yet to be cleared by the Cabinet.
In fact, New Delhi is likely to order additional MiG-29K as it intends to also fly these fighters on its indigenous aircraft carrier, for which the keel-laying took place this February and which is scheduled to join the Navy in 2012, the official said.
"Already a batch of Navy fighter pilots has trained on MiG-29Ks and another batch of pilots would go in September this year to practice landings on Russian aircraft carrier Kuznetsov," the Defence Ministry official said.
But India was waiting to take a decision on the additional order for MiG-29Ks as it "did not want a situation when we have the aircraft, but not the warship on which it is to operate and the life of the aircraft is wasted.
"The question is whether we exercise this option of follow-on orders now or wait a bit, which will obviously lead to escalation in its cost," he added.
Asked about the Gorshkov repair work at Sevmash, the official said the shipyard had already engaged about 2,000 men from its workforce on the warship, which was just recently taken out of dry dock and was floating at present.
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LF isn't India is building own Air craft carrier? Isn't Kaveri marine version is tested for 12MW already? Isn't ATV is getting made here? IN is the most focussed force in terms of building in house capabilities.
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Medvedev urges completion of aircraft carrier for India
02/07/2009
SEVERODVINSK, July 2 (RIA Novosti) - The Russian president said on Thursday that modernization of the Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier should be completed as soon as possible so that it can be delivered to India in 2012.
Dmitry Medvedev said the Gorshkov project had become, in effect, the only issue in Russian-Indian relations.
"This is the first, very difficult experience. The ship must be finished," he said. "Otherwise there will be serious consequences."
India and Russia have yet to agree on the cost of overhauling the Admiral Gorshkov for the Indian Navy (to be renamed Vikramaditya).
Under the original $1.5 billion 2004 contract between Russia's state-run arms exporter Rosoboronexport and the Indian Navy, which includes delivery of MiG-29K Fulcrum carrier-based fighters, the work on the aircraft carrier was to have been completed in 2008.
However, Russia later claimed it had underestimated the scale and the cost of the modernization, and asked for an additional $1.4 billion, which New Delhi said was "exorbitant."
Indian officials familiar with negotiations said the eventual figure would be closer to the $2.2 billion estimate.
The aircraft carrier is currently docked at the Sevmash shipyard in northern Russia, with over 2,000 workers employed on the project.
The Admiral Gorshkov is to replace India's INS Viraat, which, although currently operational, is now 50 years old.
After modernization, the carrier is expected to be seaworthy for 30 years.
Medvedev urges completion of aircraft carrier for India | Top Russian news and analysis online | 'RIA Novosti' newswire
02/07/2009
SEVERODVINSK, July 2 (RIA Novosti) - The Russian president said on Thursday that modernization of the Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier should be completed as soon as possible so that it can be delivered to India in 2012.
Dmitry Medvedev said the Gorshkov project had become, in effect, the only issue in Russian-Indian relations.
"This is the first, very difficult experience. The ship must be finished," he said. "Otherwise there will be serious consequences."
India and Russia have yet to agree on the cost of overhauling the Admiral Gorshkov for the Indian Navy (to be renamed Vikramaditya).
Under the original $1.5 billion 2004 contract between Russia's state-run arms exporter Rosoboronexport and the Indian Navy, which includes delivery of MiG-29K Fulcrum carrier-based fighters, the work on the aircraft carrier was to have been completed in 2008.
However, Russia later claimed it had underestimated the scale and the cost of the modernization, and asked for an additional $1.4 billion, which New Delhi said was "exorbitant."
Indian officials familiar with negotiations said the eventual figure would be closer to the $2.2 billion estimate.
The aircraft carrier is currently docked at the Sevmash shipyard in northern Russia, with over 2,000 workers employed on the project.
The Admiral Gorshkov is to replace India's INS Viraat, which, although currently operational, is now 50 years old.
After modernization, the carrier is expected to be seaworthy for 30 years.
Medvedev urges completion of aircraft carrier for India | Top Russian news and analysis online | 'RIA Novosti' newswire
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Russian leader angry over Indian aircraft carrier
2009-07-02
ARKHANGELSK, Russia (AP) - Russia's president on Thursday criticized the holdup in refurbishing a Soviet-era aircraft carrier that was bought by India five years ago.
Dmitry Medvedev was scathing of workers at the Sevmash factory in the northern city of Arkhangelsk, where work on the Admiral Gorshkov has been going on.
India reportedly paid $617 million when it signed the contract in 2004, but the factory _ one of Russia's best known _ has since demanded another $2 billion to complete the job by next year.
That's upset India, which used to be a major purchaser of Soviet weaponry and which Russia hopes to encourage anew.
Medvedev said in televised comments: «You have to consider this to be our first, and most difficult lesson.
«It's time to turn the boat over ... otherwise, there will be grave consequences,» he said.
Russia in recent years has sought to increase sales of weaponry to foreign customers, but despite a steady increase in sales, it has suffered several highly publicized failures _ attributed to swelling production costs and the general inefficiency of the nation's weapons industries.
Russian exporters have failed to fulfill China's order for 38 Il-76 transport planes and Il-78 tankers, prompting China to demand the deal be suspended. Last year, Algeria returned the MiG-29 fighter jets it bought from Russia, complaining of poor quality.
Russian leader angry over Indian aircraft carrier
2009-07-02
ARKHANGELSK, Russia (AP) - Russia's president on Thursday criticized the holdup in refurbishing a Soviet-era aircraft carrier that was bought by India five years ago.
Dmitry Medvedev was scathing of workers at the Sevmash factory in the northern city of Arkhangelsk, where work on the Admiral Gorshkov has been going on.
India reportedly paid $617 million when it signed the contract in 2004, but the factory _ one of Russia's best known _ has since demanded another $2 billion to complete the job by next year.
That's upset India, which used to be a major purchaser of Soviet weaponry and which Russia hopes to encourage anew.
Medvedev said in televised comments: «You have to consider this to be our first, and most difficult lesson.
«It's time to turn the boat over ... otherwise, there will be grave consequences,» he said.
Russia in recent years has sought to increase sales of weaponry to foreign customers, but despite a steady increase in sales, it has suffered several highly publicized failures _ attributed to swelling production costs and the general inefficiency of the nation's weapons industries.
Russian exporters have failed to fulfill China's order for 38 Il-76 transport planes and Il-78 tankers, prompting China to demand the deal be suspended. Last year, Algeria returned the MiG-29 fighter jets it bought from Russia, complaining of poor quality.
Russian leader angry over Indian aircraft carrier
So they finally noticed that other than India, every other country (like China) is only interested in copying their tech (just like Israel learned). Indian government will never spend money on setting up proper R&D for.. well, anything so sellers at least know that we will come back to spend more money year after year after year..
Gorshkov 'sole' irritant in Indo-Russian ties: Medvedev
Moscow, July 02: Describing the delay in upgradation of 'Admiral Gorshkov' aircraft carrier for Indian Navy as the "sole" irritant in bilateral ties, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev on Thursday ordered the shipbuilders to speedily complete the work or else it will have "serious consequences."
"In fact the 'Gorshkov' project has become the sole problem in Russian-Indian relations," Medvedev said during a visit to the Sevmash shipyard in the White Sea town of Severodvinsk.
The Russian President also blasted the management, bureaucrats and Ministers involved in the Gorshkov project.
He agreed that it was Russia's first project which was "very difficult," but said that the Russian side has taken certain obligations in the course of negotiations on the Gorshkov deal with the Indian partners.
Prior to the Soviet collapse, aircraft carriers used to be built in Ukraine.
Responding to Sevmash General Director's argument about the whopping cost escalation due to additional work in the course of modernisation, an irritated Medvedev said in his televised remarks: "Why did you sign (Gorshkov deal)? As a result all of us have to give explanations, you to me and me before the Indian colleagues."
"Complete the work and deliver the ship, otherwise it would have serious consequences," Medvedev cautioned. Russia, which was to deliver the upgraded aircraft carrier in August 2007 to the Indian Navy for induction as INS Vikramaditya, however, sought extra funds for the completion of its refit.
Under the revised schedule INS Vikramaditya is expected to join the Indian Navy in 2012 and India has agreed to increase the financing of the project.
Under the USD 1.5 billion package deal signed in 2004, Russia was to upgrade the vessel for USD 974 million.
Later citing the cost escalation due to additional work required and depreciation of dollar value, Moscow demanded extra USD 2.2 billion to complete the refit of the carrier.
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Gorshkov news-Gorshkov `sole` irritant in Indo-Russian ties: Medvedev
Moscow, July 02: Describing the delay in upgradation of 'Admiral Gorshkov' aircraft carrier for Indian Navy as the "sole" irritant in bilateral ties, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev on Thursday ordered the shipbuilders to speedily complete the work or else it will have "serious consequences."
"In fact the 'Gorshkov' project has become the sole problem in Russian-Indian relations," Medvedev said during a visit to the Sevmash shipyard in the White Sea town of Severodvinsk.
The Russian President also blasted the management, bureaucrats and Ministers involved in the Gorshkov project.
He agreed that it was Russia's first project which was "very difficult," but said that the Russian side has taken certain obligations in the course of negotiations on the Gorshkov deal with the Indian partners.
Prior to the Soviet collapse, aircraft carriers used to be built in Ukraine.
Responding to Sevmash General Director's argument about the whopping cost escalation due to additional work in the course of modernisation, an irritated Medvedev said in his televised remarks: "Why did you sign (Gorshkov deal)? As a result all of us have to give explanations, you to me and me before the Indian colleagues."
"Complete the work and deliver the ship, otherwise it would have serious consequences," Medvedev cautioned. Russia, which was to deliver the upgraded aircraft carrier in August 2007 to the Indian Navy for induction as INS Vikramaditya, however, sought extra funds for the completion of its refit.
Under the revised schedule INS Vikramaditya is expected to join the Indian Navy in 2012 and India has agreed to increase the financing of the project.
Under the USD 1.5 billion package deal signed in 2004, Russia was to upgrade the vessel for USD 974 million.
Later citing the cost escalation due to additional work required and depreciation of dollar value, Moscow demanded extra USD 2.2 billion to complete the refit of the carrier.
Bureau Report
Gorshkov news-Gorshkov `sole` irritant in Indo-Russian ties: Medvedev
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India is the only one of the rising powers that respect the rule of law and intellectual property rights. China has become the butt of piracy jokes which is why we have suspended sales of advanced Flankers. India is the most lucrative defence contract prize in the world. Sevmash better get their house in order b/c not only have they hurt relations, they are now the international shipbuilders running joke.
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Has Russia ever done steam catapult tech?
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