Indo-Israel a mutually beneficial relationship

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India condemns Israel attacks on Gaza Strip

India condemns Israel attacks on Gaza Strip
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that deal was a business. ;)
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True infront of world, India has to condenmed Isreal but in reality we support Isreal.

there is saying "hathi ke dant(theeth) khane ke aur dekhane ke aur"
 

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Israel has no qualms about doing business with China which is not a democracy. Its an open secret that it provided China with technology from its Lavi program for China to develop its own fighter.

Israel was going to sell AWACS and and more before US stepped in. Democracy is a good thing in the relations. But again the glue is Money.
I totally agree with u and because india lags in technology specially related to defence and iseral are ahaead in it and also russia are having problem with tecf so iseral is best potions
 

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But yes PAF did participate in the Six Day war.
Give me a break! 8 pilots participated and that too flying Syrian Migs. Not such a big help. They never even engaged Israeli F-16s and F-15s.
 

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israel is not recognised by many countries particularly in the middle east.anyone recognising them is big boost for them plus if they do business it is a bonus.that is the glue to mind.india needed badly mil tech and in the crunch times they helped.it is working fine for both of them now.
 

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Gujarat government commits $5M to new wave power plant

Israel-based SDE Energy says 5 MW plant could be followed by a 100 MW plant, which has a $700M authorized budget.

Wave power plant developer SDE Energy said today its subsidiary signed a memorandum of understanding with the Gujarat government to build a 5 megawatt power plant that harnesses energy from ocean waves.

The agreement, between Tel Aviv, Israel-based SDE’s subsidiary, Om Sai Mantra Powergen, and the government’s energy and petrochemicals department, aims to commercialize the $5 million plant by December 2010.

The government has also authorized a $700 million budget for the next phase—a 100 MW sea wave power plant to be built by SDE.

Government authorities plans to facilitate any needed regulatory requirements as well as helping the company take advantage of applicable incentives for the first plant.

In 2007, Indian national electric company PCT India committed to purchasing power from the plant on a long-term basis, subject to a power purchase agreement.

SDE claims its patented and patent-pending technology that harnesses and stores energy from ocean waves is highly efficient, inexpensive and weatherproof.

The company has built eight models financed by the Israeli government, with the most recent one having the capacity to generate 40 kilowatts per hour. The first commercial model was deployed about a year ago in the port of Jaffa, located south of Tel Aviv on the Mediterranean Sea.

The company said costs start at $650,000 to erect a 1 MW sea wave power plant, while comparable stations cost $3 million for solar, $1.5 million with coal, $1.5 million using wind and $900,000 from natural gas.

Last year, SDE signed a 25-year agreement with an undisclosed African country to build wave energy projects with a total capacity of 100 MW. The cost is estimated at $100 million (see Israel's SDE plans 100MW of wave energy for Africa).

Another startup developing similar technology to SDE is Boston, Mass.-based Resolute Marine Energy, which has two products, known as wave energy converters, which take energy from the waves and convert them into electricity, compressed air or compressed seawater (see Startup squeezing energy from waves, no grid required).

Gujarat government commits $5M to new wave power plant | Cleantech Group
 

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Israel has very few real friends. And they are not known for their love for Palestine. Except India. India, perhaps, is the only non-West Asian country that still swears by the Palestinian cause, yet is wooed by Israel. How the Israelis see their relation with India is entirely different from how Indians see their relationship with Israel. India needs Israel for its technology and expertise on counter-terrorism. But what does Israel seek from India?

Israel seeks a game-changing relation with India. Proof of this offbeat relation is in the guerrilla trade practices Israel has adopted to befriend Arabs and Iranians, with tacit help from India. Israeli companies are coming to India, repackaging their products and shipping them off to the Arab and Iranian markets from Mumbai and Kochi ports. “We have no problem with this practice as it benefits Israeli companies, consumers in the region and the Indian manufacturing sector. India is the springboard Israel wants to use to reach the world, because it makes more economic sense,” says Anat Bernstein-Reich, an international trade specialist. Subterfuge trade collaboration is the latest in India-Israel ties.

With Israel making peace with countries like Egypt and Jordan, and its growing interest in the huge market of Dubai, India’s importance as a partner has grown. “Dubai is a natural market for Israel and we have to do business there through indirect means,” Bernstein-Reich says, referring to the “friendly trade initiatives” aimed at the Arab countries.
An Israeli passenger jet flying to Mumbai or Kolkata spends less fuel than the one flying to Shanghai or Beijing. It is this fuel economics that scores in favour of India over China to be a strategic partner of Israel.

Bilateral defence cooperation has dominated most part of India-Israel diplomatic ties since 1992 (when India established formal diplomatic relations with Israel). Earlier this year, Israel delivered the first Phalcon AWACS (Airborne Warning and Control System) attached to an IL-76 aircraft to India. It has to deliver two more AWACS.
Defence cooperation, which has been peaking over the last two decades, has now branched out to intense bilateral anti-terror cooperation. Lt Col Avitai Leibowitz, spokesperson for the Israeli Defence Forces, says Israel is training Indian forces in urban warfare. “Israel is a fully urbanised country and terrorists here indulge in urban warfare. Due to this, we have developed effective counter-terror mechanisms for cities. We have extended this to Indians post 26/11,” Leibowitz told THE WEEK.

Mumbai 26/11 has reinforced the importance of growing cooperation in counter-terror. Post 26/11, defence minister Ehud Barak reportedly expressed dissatisfaction over the way the rescue operation at Nariman House was handled. But Israelis are not willing to repeat Barak’s lines over Mumbai attacks. “We believe our Indian friends are doing their best in controlling terror. We have to stay ahead in the race for knowledge to beat terrorists,” says defence spokesperson Major Gen. Jonathan Davis.

Israel’s interest in India is thus driven by strategic dimension, economic adventurism and common sense geography. Israel is surrounded by hostile states like Syria or ambiguous friends like Egypt and Jordan, whose streets break into protests each time the Palestine-Israel crisis flares up. A bulky friend like India helps Israel, but how much political help is Israel extending to India? “There are moments when India’s partnership with Israel appears unconvincing, given our dramatically different sizes and strategic environments. After all, Israel lacks geographical strength vis-a-vis its rivals in the region and this is its major weakness,” says Qamar Agha, a New Delhi-based strategic commentator.

Leibowitz explains: “Israel did not have a strategic partner in its neighbourhood. Turkey became Israel’s partner over time, but it has secular versus Islamic problems. The only one great power geographically close to Israel is India.”
Indian commentators, however, raise bigger doubts over Israel’s proximity to India over and above the Chinese allure. “We have had some cooperation with the Chinese, but it is the cultural acquaintance to western liberal democratic traditions that smoothens our interaction with New Delhi,” says Ruth Kahanoff, deputy director general for Asia and Pacific affairs at the Israeli ministry of foreign affairs. India, as a functioning democracy modelled on western liberal tradition, finds ready acceptance among average Israelis than the communist China, says an Israeli foreign ministry official. “There is also the civilisational conflicts over Islam’s interpretation that ties Israel and India,” Kahanoff remarks.

Sino-Israeli ties have not been smooth, though it is said Israel played a role in opening US-China ties during the Richard Nixon era.

Post Cold War, Israel-China ties have been subject to US pressure. In a 2006 article in Middle East Quarterly journal, Prof. P.R. Kumaraswamy of Jawaharlal Nehru University said Israel’s upgradation of China’s unmanned surveillance aircraft Harpy irritated the US. In 1999, Ehud Barak had to cancel delivery of AWACS to China under pressure from the Bill Clinton administration. The dispute reached such a level that in 2004 Pentagon threatened to exclude Israel from the joint development of F-35 joint strike fighter programme. In July 2005, Israeli defence minister Shaul Mofaz cancelled a trip to the US after Washington demanded a written apology from Tel Aviv over its defence ties with China.

But post Cold War, post 9/11, and post nuclear deal, India-Israel ties have the blessings of the US. “India’s growing ties with the US obviously help Israel-India ties,” says Professor Asher Susser of Moshe Dayan Centre of Middle Eastern and African Studies. Such is the pull of the US factor that even a different Indian opinion over Iran has not dampened Israel’s pro-India tilt.
US-centrality provides a kind of stability to India-Israel ties that has helped the players to branch out into non-strategic areas. In the bilateral future, it will be non-military cooperation that will call greater shots, says Rachel Adatto, head of the Indo-Israel Parliamentary Friendship Association.

Echoing Adatto, V. Sasikala, CEO of State Bank of India’s Tel Aviv branch, says almost 50 per cent of India-Israel trade will be centred on diamond trading in the near future. “Diamond trade in Israel is heavily influenced by the Palanpuri Jains of Gujarat. Earlier, the west did not have a market for dust diamonds, but now they do, thanks to the Indian traders and craftsmen,” Sasikala says.

Palanpur is 200 kilometres from Banaskantha district in north Gujarat, whose diamond traders are known for their traditional knowledge of diamond cutting and trade. Indian companies like TCS are also providing jobs to the Israeli workforce.
According to Israeli policy makers, current bilateral trade of $4.3 billion is expected to touch $12 billion in less than five years. The signs of the future of India-Israel ties can be seen on shop windows on Tel Aviv’s Allenby Street and Jerusalem’s suburbs, which stock ethnic Indian fabrics and designs. Ramblan Street near Tel Aviv’s Ben Gurion airport is known for colourful Indian ethnic garments.

India-Israel relations are becoming more private sector-driven, and there is growing mutual cultural appreciation. “Israeli businessmen are straight talkers and they end up offending Indian partners, who are slow to start with and are hard bargainers. Basically, Israelis are impatient for quick profit and Indians are thinking of long-term gains. As trade increases, this kind of cultural factors will have to be understood by both sides to conclude deals successfully,” Bernstein-Reich says. “I tell Israeli businessmen that they will certainly be successful in India with a little patience. You cannot do business with Indians the way you do with the west,” she cautions.

The structure of Indo-Israeli ties will thus have three main pillars—commerce, defence, and high-tech industries—though the centrepiece will still remain defence and anti-terror cooperation. Some of India’s most renowned scientific institutes are collaborating with their Israeli counterparts on frontline research. “We are collaborating with the Tata Institute of Fundamental Research, Mumbai, on nuclear physics,” says Professor Ben Zion Shilo of Weizmann Institute.

Indo-Israeli ties have thus grown into an adult of 17, with defence, agriculture cooperation, IT and communications, textiles, tourism, diamonds, and even “guerrilla trade wars” as its personas. Next in line are the collaborations with Bollywood and joint artwork projects and exhibitions, says Israeli artist Shira Richter.
Israeli film director Dani Vachksman has already made Auroville his base. Novels like Open Heart by A.B. Yehoshua have also made India popular in Israel. Richter says Israelis look at India as a strange, powerful and life-transforming experience. Many Israelis like Richter are convinced that India is the friend Israel has been waiting for.
By Kallol Bhattacherjee/TEL AVIV

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India - Israel partnership is a win-win scenario

Anyone who thinks that the India-Israel partnership is not good for India should have their head examined.

With neighbours like Pakistan, China and Bangladesh.....India needs all the friends it can get....especially friends who have solid experience in terrorism and who have good military technology and are willing to provide it when India is desperate for it.....like in the Kargil scenario.

Those who are against our relations with Israel always raise the Palestinian Issue and our relations with Arab world. It is the Arab world especially Saudi and the Gulf States that is funding all the extremism in Pakistan. Who do you think is funding all these madrassas that churn out these suicide bombers like candy in a chocolate factory. All these bogus charities that train poor 12 and 13 year olds to do nothing but kill and maim are funded by rich Saudis and Gulf States.

If you look at it from a higher plane....there is not one country in the Arab world that can be regarded as a secular democracy. They are all Islamic dictatorships or fascist regimes like Syria, etc. What does a country like India have in common with them ??? Squat !!

On the other hand Israel is a country that is still a secular government with values that are close to our own. All religions are respected and you are free to practice your faith in peace in Israel even though it is a Zionist State.
Unlike so many Muslim majority countries, you dont instantly become a second class citizen in Israel because you are a Christian, Hindu, Bahai, Sikh, Ahmadi, or whatever.

Turkey is probably the only country in the region that is somewhat secular and democratic, but Turkey is not an Arab country.

It would be foolish for India to not develop a strong strategic and commercial relationship with Israel, on the basis of Arab world's reaction to such a relationship.
 

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India recently, voted Yes for the draft resolution for the Goldstone Report highlighting the War crimes during the Gaza War. I was kind of thinking India would abstain seeing that Israel and US were plugging all their contacts to get countries to vote NO or atleast Abstain. Will this have any impact on the Relations? I doubt it.
 

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Give me a break! 8 pilots participated and that too flying Syrian Migs. Not such a big help. They never even engaged Israeli F-16s and F-15s.
Did Israel Fly F16s and 15s during the Six Day War? Do enlighten me. And the Pak pilots did have Kills to their name, and they probably were the only pilots who did not get shot down.
 

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India recently, voted Yes for the draft resolution for the Goldstone Report highlighting the War crimes during the Gaza War. I was kind of thinking India would abstain seeing that Israel and US were plugging all their contacts to get countries to vote NO or atleast Abstain. Will this have any impact on the Relations? I doubt it.
Goldstone a south African zionist judge had a very balanced report that condemns both HAMAS and Israel and asked to conduct their own investigations. There is no reason why any country would have voted against it. Thats why even Britain and France abstained but did'nt vote against it.

I have seen reports of HAMAS agreeing to conduct its investigations with UN observers, lets hope that Israel does it as well so that we can get out of this cycle of violence
 

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Did Israel Fly F16s and 15s during the Six Day War? Do enlighten me.
no. they were not operational then. f-15 became operational 1976 and f-16 in 1978. so israel must have acquired much later or around the same time.
 

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India's Reckless Road To Washington Through Tel Aviv

By Vijay Prashad

26 December, 2008
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On Thursday, November 27, in the middle of the Mumbai terrorist attacks, Imran Babar, one of the terrorists, called India TV from Nariman House. He used a cellphone that belonged to Rabbi Gavriel Holtzberg, the co-director of the Chabad-Lubavitch Center. The following day, Babar and his associates killed Rabbi Holtzberg and his wife, Rivka. The phone call he made was not long. Babar opened with a comment that made little sense to most people: “You call [Israel’s] army staff to visit Kashmir. Who are they to come to J &K [Jammu and Kashmir]? This is a matter between us and Hindus, the Hindu government. Why does Israel come here?”

Little is known of Babar’s babbles outside the confines of Hakirya, the “campus” of the Israeli high command, and of South Block, which houses the Indian External Affairs and Defense ministries. What he referred to are the growing military and security ties between India and Israel. As well, he might have referenced the now rather solid links between the Hindu Right and the Israeli Right, and how their view of the conflicts that run from Jerusalem to Srinagar mirror those of the jihadis like Babar. Imran Babar and his fellow terrorists come to their critique from the standard anti-Semitism, anti-Americanism that blinds many aggrieved jihadis. Rather than make a concrete assessment of their grievances, they take refuge in as mythical a world as sketched out by the Israeli Right-Hindu Right, where Jews, Hindus and America are arrayed against Muslims.

That the terrorists attacked the Chabad-Lubavitch Center has renewed the call to see the commonalities between the victims of terrorism, whether those in a Haifa restaurant or a Mumbai train, between 9/11 and 11/26. To do so flattens out a significant differences, and reduces the violence to their acts themselves rather than to the social context that leads people to acts of terror. Mumbai provokes the Right to seek recourse to the solutions of war and surveillance, methods that might create a moment’s sense of security before the wily adversary finds a new technological means to strike back. There is no common technical solution: better sniper rifles or iris scanners, better intelligence databases or cattle prods. The weapons used to deal the fatal blow to the terrorists are also incubators of a new generation of terrorists. This is an elementary lesson, lost to those who seek the silver bullet.

Why Does Israel Come Here?

On September 10, 2008, Israel’s top army official, General Avi Mizrahi landed in New Delhi. He met with India’s leading army, navy and air force officials before leaving for a short visit to Jammu and Kashmir. Mizrahi, a long-standing officer in the Israeli Defense Force, lectured senior Indian army officers at the Akhnur Military Base, near the Indo-Pakistan border, on the theme of counterterrorism. Later, in Srinagar, Mizrahi and his Indian counterpart, Army Chief Deepak Kapoor agreed to joint counterterrorism activities, notably for Israeli commandoes to train Indian soldiers in urban combat.

The Mizrahi visit in 2008 is not extraordinary. He had been to India in February 2007. In June 2007, Major General Moshe Kaplinsky brought a team of IDF officers to Jammu and Kashmir, where they met senior Indian officials at the 16 Corps headquarters at Nagrota in the Jammu region near the India-Pakistan border. Kaplinsky’s team discussed the problem of infiltration, how militants from the Pakistani side enter the India. The 720-kilometer barbed wire fence, an echo of Israel’s wall, has not prevented the transit of militants. Kaplinsky came to push other, high-tech means, such as night-vision devices, to help interdict militants. En route to Israel, Kaplinsky’s team went to the Mumbai-based Western Naval Command.

In January 2008, to continue these contacts, the IDF’s chief, Brigadier General Pinchas Buchris came to India and met the top civilians and the top brass. They discussed the procedures to share intelligence on terrorist activity. A week after Buchris returned to Israel, India’s Navy Chief Admiral Sureesh Mehta spent time in Jerusalem, meeting IDF heads Gabi Askhenazi and Buchris. Between 2007 and early 2008, all three Indian defense chiefs visited Israel. The framework for these meetings is the 2002 agreement to form an Indo-Israeli Joint Working Group on Counter-Terrorism, a long-standing attempt to create an entente between the armies of India and Israel, and to consolidate the immense arms trade between the two countries (India is now Israel’s largest arms buyer).

The impetus for the relations goes back to the 1990s, when the governing Congress Party began to dismantle the dirigiste Indian State and to withdraw from India’s long-standing non-aligned policy. The Congress government believed that it was time to reassess its relations with the United States, and that the best way to get to Washington was through Tel Aviv. Stronger ties with Israel might soften the reticence in Washington toward India, and lead it to loosen its bonds with Pakistan and China. India banked on Israel to play the broker with Washington. (This is the argument of my book, Namaste Sharon: Hindutva and Sharonism Under U. S. Hegemony, New Delhi: LeftWord, 2003).

In January 1992, the Indian government recognized the state of Israel. The next month, Defense Minister Sharad Pawar called for Indo-Israeli cooperation on counter-terrorism. Israel’s Director-General of Police Ya’acov Lapidot visited India for an international police convention, and returned to Israel with news that the Indian government wanted Israeli expertise on counter-terror operations. Government spokesperson Benjamin Netanyahu told India Abroad (29 February 1992) that Israel “developed expertise in dealing with terrorism at the field level and also internationally, at the political and legal level, and would be happy to share it with India.” In the Congress years, the main arena of cooperation came in arms deals, as India’s massive purchases provided stability to Israel’s previously volatile arms industry.

When the Hindu Right came to power in the late 1990s, it hastened both the economic “liberalization” policy (with a Minister for Privatization in office) and it shifted its attentions to Washington, DC and Tel Aviv: an axis of the three powers against what it called Islamic terrorism was to be the new foundation of India’s emergent foreign policy. The close relationship between Netanyahu (then Prime Minister) and L. K. Advani (the Home Minister of India, and a brigand of the Hard Right) smoothed the path to intensive collaboration. Advani admires Netanyahu’s personal history as a member of the Sayeret Matcal (special forces) unit of the IDF; Advani himself has no such on-the-ground experience. In 1995, when in Israel, Advani happily received Netanyahu’s new book, Fighting Terrorism: How Democracies Can Defeat Domestic and International Terrorism.

Advani has since made it his practice to quote from the book, particularly the view that a “free society must know what they are fighting,” which is the “rising tide of Islamic terrorism.” This was all honey in Advani’s ear. He drew the central concepts of his counter-terrorism policy from his friends in the Israeli government: a wall at the border, threats of “hot pursuit” across it; demur against political negotiation, escalation of rhetoric; limits on civil liberties when it comes to suspects in terror cases. Netanyahu had purposely refused to distinguish between Iran and Syria, Hezbollah and Hamas, the PLO and the Muslim Brotherhood. Advani too began to collapse the distinction between Kashmiri separatist groups and post-Afghan war terror outfits based in Pakistan, between aggrieved Indian Muslims and Pakistani proxy forces. As well, Netanyahu and Advani crafted a stage on which to enact an endless battle between Democracy and Terrorism, where the role of Democracy is played by the United States, Israel and India and where the role of Terrorism is played by Islam. It is all simple and dangerous.

During his June 2000 visit to Israel, Advani underscored his adoption of Netanyahu’s framework during a lecture at the Indian Embassy. “In recent years we have been facing a growing internal security problem,” he said. “We are concerned with cross-border terrorism launched by proxies of Pakistan. We share with Israel a common perception of terrorism as a menace, even more so when coupled with religious fundamentalism. Our mutual determination to combat terrorism is the basis for discussions with Israel, whose reputation in dealing with such problems is quite successful.” Advani invited a team of Israeli counter-terrorism experts to tour Jammu and Kashmir in September 2000. Led by Eli Katzir, an aide to Prime Minister Ehud Barak, the team conducted a feasibility study of India’s military security needs and offered suggestions for Israeli assistance. Three years later, Israel and India signed a military-arms pact that included a specific training mission. Israeli forces would train four new Special Forces battalions of the Indian Army; other battalions would learn the practice of “irregular warfare” and work with the Northern Command in Kashmir.

When the Hindu Right lost the election in 2004 to a Congress-led alliance, the pace of contacts lessened. With both Advani and Netanyahu in the shadows, the alliance lost its main champions. The Congress government recognized how toxic this alliance would be, unnecessarily inflaming an already difficult relationship with Pakistan. This was also recognized within Israel. Efraim Inbar, director of Israel’s Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies, who is actively involved in the Indo-Israeli contacts, recognizes the political problem; “this kind of cooperation needs to be secret if it can be,” he told Newsweek. The military and arms deals between India and Israel continued, even if it was now treated as a sideshow. India remains a major importer of Israeli arms. What lingers in the shadows is the Israeli work in Kashmir. Little is officially revealed of it, even as leaks here and there hint at the extent of the contacts.

Technocrats of Terrorism

Ami Pedazhur, a political scientist from the University of Austin-Texas, joins the chorus on the New York Times op-ed page with suggestions for the Indian government after Mumbai (“From Munich to Mumbai,” December 20). Rather than see anything new in the Mumbai attacks, Pedazhur conjoins it with an unbroken history that stretches back at least to the 1972 Munich attacks. What links Munich to Mumbai is neither the identity of those who kill nor those who are killed, but the means by which the killing occurs. Analysts of terrorism, like Pedazhur, are technocrats of counter-terrorist actions. They study how terrorists operate, and so what best security and military force can constrain them. The public policy that stems from this sort of technocratic view of terrorism has one end, to restrain the terrorist with more security checkpoints, more hot pursuit.

Why does the Indian government take advice from a government whose own security services have a dismal record of preventing terror attacks and whose own armed forces have failed to create stability on its borders? Israel’s weaponry works fine. But Israel’s counter-terror expertise is questionable. Pedazhur takes pride in Israel’s counterterrorism policy. What pride there can be in a regime that maintains its safety through a ruthless military strategy is questionable. The Israeli government, regardless of the party in charge, is conspicuous not only for its treatment of the Palestinians but also, significantly, for its failure to create a secure society for its own citizens. It is easy enough to make the Palestinians the author of the troubles, but this of course ignores the intransigence of Israel’s political leadership to produce a settlement. Because it cannot make a political peace, the Israeli authorities have perfected various technological means to minimize the consequences of its failures. This is what it wishes to export to India. For India, the imports signal the surrender of its leadership to the current imbroglio. Gated countries wallow in fear and hatred.

The costs of the Tel Aviv-New Delhi-Washington axis are too much to bear, at least for India. India cannot afford to mimic Israel’s failed neighborhood policy, nor can it follow the U. S. example that seeks to solve its problems by aerial bombardment. South Asia requires a regional solution to what is without doubt a regional problem, one with its roots in the Afghan jihad of the 1980s as much as the unresolved Kashmir question (with close to a million troops in the state of Jammu and Kashmir, the Indian government runs what is tantamount to an occupation – they provide the opposite of security for the residents of the state). When the Afghan civil wars came to a unjust quiet in the early 1990s, the various foreign fighters returned to their homelands, emboldened by their self-perception of their victorious struggle: they went to Chechnya, the Philippines, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and into the Kashmir struggle. Pakistan and India are equally victims of these veterans of the jihad, and both have a vested interest in their demobilization. But more than that, there is a danger that as the U. S. amps up its war in Afghanistan and treats Pakistan with contempt, the jihadis will take out their wrath with the same kind of ferocity as they demonstrated in Mumbai. Rather than risk a failed military strategy against the jihadis, it is time for a regional conference on human security, one that includes better cooperation between the states and a program for the lives of those who are driven to the compounds of hatred through their many, many grievances.
 

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India's Reckless Road To Washington Through Tel Aviv

By Vijay Prashad

26 December, 2008
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. Rather than risk a failed military strategy against the jihadis, it is time for a regional conference on human security, one that includes better cooperation between the states and a program for the lives of those who are driven to the compounds of hatred through their many, many grievances.
I consider this piece to be a shallow analysis of the situation facing India.

Cooperating with the Israelis does not mean that India has to condone everything that the Israelis do vis-a-vis the Palestinian. Nor does it mean that India is looking for Israel or the US to provide custom made solutions. Friends can certainly have disagreements.

The Author's notion that regional conferences and summits with Pakistanis will somehow help stop the Jihadis and the Pak establishment 50 year history of state-funded terror is absolutely laughable. Isnt that what has been happening with Pakistan for the last 40 years......How many summits and different meeting have there been between the Pak and India.

Go ahead and have another "regional conference on Human Security".....see where that gets you. If this authors has his way.....he may even suggest that India throw in a Couple of billion US dollars in aid for pakistan....so that they can reprogram the Jihadis to stop attacking India....

For that matter even after 20 to 30 years of Talks on the China-India border, there is still nothing to show for it.

These kind of articles are a waste of DFI space.....the mods should simply delete it.
 

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Army chief to visit Israel to consolidate defence ties
Rajat Pandit | TNN

New Delhi: Politicians might shy away from visiting Israel due to domestic as well as international sensitivities but the expansive military engagement continues unabated, with Army chief General Deepak Kapoor slated to leave for Tel Aviv over the weekend.
Gen Kapoor, during his four-day visit to Israel, will hold talks to further consolidate the already robust bilateral defence ties, with New Delhi doing military business worth around $9 billion with Tel Aviv since the 1999 Kargil conflict.
“He will also visit key Israeli defence establishments, apart from looking at some advanced military systems currently being developed there. There is also convergence of interest in counterterrorism and intelligencesharing,” said a source.
The focus in Indo-Israeli military partnership is now more on having joint R&D projects in fields like submarine-launched cruise missiles, laser-guided systems, anti-ballistic missile systems, network-centric operations, micro-satellite surveillance systems, advanced precision-guided munitions (PGMs) and third-generation night vision devices, said sources.
UAV (unmanned aerial vehicle) projects and acquisitions span the entire spectrum, ranging from miniature and high-endurance ones to rotary and combat drones.
Source: Welcome - Times Of India ePaper

As submarine launched cruise missile? are the Israelis in on the nirbhay project?
 

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India Deepens Defense Ties with Israel

As India and Israel move to deepen their military ties, Army Chief General Deepak Kapoor arrived here on a key visit where he is scheduled to hold talks with top military officials.

General Kapoor will hold discussions with senior defence officials as 'part of regular ongoing exchanges' to tighten bilateral defence ties. The three-day visit will also allay fears that the CBI enquiry into controversial Barak missile deal may disrupt the robust defence ties between the two countries.

Defence sources here said that Gen Kapoor, who arrived here yesterday, will meet Defence Minister Ehud Barak, Chief of Staff, Lt. Gen. Gabi Ashkenazi, besides other senior army officials.He will also visit the Israel Defence Forces southern command.

Israel has become India's No. 1 supplier of arms and ammunition, overtaking Russia. The bulk of supplies constitute about 50 percent of Israel's defence exports and about 30 percent of India's imports.Israel has supplied a range of defence products, including Barak missiles, assault rifles, night fighting devices, radar network, hi-tech electronic warfare systems and information technology related equipments.

The Indian Air Force last May received the first of the three Phalcon airborne early warning radar systems (AWACS) from Israel as part of a 1.1 billion USD deal in a big boost to its surveillance capabilities in the region.The next delivery is expected in the first quarter of next year. As per recent reports, India is interested in working with Israel on submarine-launched cruise missiles, ballistic missile defense systems, laser-guided systems, satellites as well as unmanned aerial vehicles.

news.outlookindia.com | India Deepens Defense Ties with Israel
 

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Israel is India’s main arms supplier

Israel has become India’s No. 1 supplier of arms and ammunitions, overtaking Russia.Bulk of supplies constitute about 50 percent of Israel’s defence exports and about 30 percent of India’s imports.
Israel has supplied a range of defence products, including Barak missiles, assault rifles, night fighting devices, radar network, hi-tech electronic warfare systems and information technology related equipments.
The Indian Air Force last May received the first of the three Phalcon airborne early warning radar systems (AWACS) from Israel as part of a 1.1 billion USD deal in a big boost to its surveillance capabilities in the region.
The next delivery is expected in the first quarter of next year.
India is interested in working with Israel on submarine-launched cruise missiles, ballistic missile defense systems, laser-guided systems, satellites as well as unmanned aerial vehicles.
Israel and India move close for their military ties, Army Chief General Deepak Kapoor arrived in Jerusalem on a three day key visit scheduled to hold talks with top military officials.

General Kapoor will hold discussions with senior defence officials as ‘part of regular ongoing exchanges’ to tighten bilateral
 

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TEL AVIV (Reuters) - Israel has signed a $1.1 billion contract to supply an upgraded

India buys upgraded Israeli air defences for $1.1bn

TEL AVIV (Reuters) - Israel has signed a $1.1 billion contract to supply an upgraded tactical air defence system to India, with delivery expected by 2017, an Israeli official said on Monday.

The sale of the Barak-8 systems came as India's army chief, General Deepak Kapoor, held high-level talks in Israel, India's biggest defence supplier.

Made by state-owned Israel Aerospace Industries Ltd., the Barak-8 is designed for use aboard ships and can shoot down incoming missiles, planes and drones. The most advanced version can be also deployed on land, the Israeli official said.

India has already acquired an earlier generation of the Barak system, the official said.

The Barak-8 contract was signed in April, and delivery of the systems will take place "over the next six to eight years".

India buys upgraded Israeli air defences for $1.1bn | Top News | Reuters
 

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Ya...india should focus on economy development,we need more money and stable governments,india need to be united from its internal differences to fight and develop against the outside world.Strong measures and lot of investments are required internally to develop trade.India should look forward in seeking trade and business relationship with small and neatral countries.Once we have good economy all the other things will be doneswiftly without much effort.See how China has grown from the past remaiing quite and becoming lethal ,its shaping itself by strong policies,faster resolution and a bold government .
We need to set targets and work patiently,quitly and vigorously to secure our interests and of our ally's:india::india::twizt:
 

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Give me a break! 8 pilots participated and that too flying Syrian Migs. Not such a big help. They never even engaged Israeli F-16s and F-15s.
Did Israel Fly F16s and 15s during the Six Day War? Do enlighten me. And the Pak pilots did have Kills to their name, and they probably were the only pilots who did not get shot down.
no. they were not operational then. f-15 became operational 1976 and f-16 in 1978. so israel must have acquired much later or around the same time.
Israel mainly flew Mirages IIICs during the 6 day war. AFAIK, they also used A-4 Skyhawks but I cannot find proof of this.
 

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