India-China Relations

[Rage]

Mother$*#^ing shrimp sons of b*!#es!

They say the Army Aviation Corps "rushed" their Cheetah and Chetak helicopters! Are retroactive responses ALL we are capable of? Fortify all susceptible border areas with GTAM's and infuse a multitude of MANPAD's among troops in the region. Then train them to fire just an inch-and-a half away from those hydraulic pipes.

There is a very subtle psychological message attempting to be delivered here- if those are indeed "food packets" the Chinese dropped, then it hints subtlely at some sort of notion that the people of Leh on the Indian side of the border are 'starving and desolate' and that China can "provide" for them.

It is ABOUT TIME that we acknowledge those who nurture malice against us as our enemies. The philanthropic do not rule this world, the strong do.

 

[K Factor]

I think two man IA patrols with Igla-IIs would be great for this kind of thing in the future.

 

[I-G]

Govt taking serious note of airspace violation: Cong

STAFF WRITER 18:22 HRS IST
New Delhi, Aug 31 (PTI) Congress today said the government has taken a serious note of the violation of Indian airspace by a Chinese helicopter, saying the mechanism for registering complaint has been invoked.

"The government of India is taking a serious view... No body takes it lightly," party spokesman Abhishek Singhvi told reporters here.

He said, "at the highest level, there is a mechanism established. The mechanism for registering a complaint had been invoked earlier when it happened".

The spokesman said the complaint has been registered with the Chinese government as New Delhi was not taking the matter lightly.

The Chinese helicopter had entered the Indian airspace on June 21 this year and is reported to have air-dropped canned food at Chumar, northeast of Leh in Jammu and Kashmir.

fullstory

 

[roma]

Mother$*#^ing shrimp sons of b*!#es!

There is a very subtle psychological message attempting to be delivered here- if those are indeed "food packets" the Chinese dropped, then it hints subtlely at some sort of notion that the people of Leh on the Indian side of the border are 'starving and desolate' and that China can "provide" for them.

maybe they dropped the food cans for their starving troops

 

[Sabir]

maybe they dropped the food cans for their starving troops

you hv a point.....who knows whether their men are hiding in this rough terrain.....or may be deposit for coming infiltration.

 

[RPK]

India plays down Chinese incursions - India - NEWS - The Times of India

India on Monday sought to play down incursions by the Chinese into its territory with highly placed government officials stating that
this was a fallout of the absence of "mutually agreed" Line of Actual Control (LAC) between the two countries. This was even as Indian Army chief Gen Deepak Kapoor admitted incursion by a Chinese chopper two months ago.

While the number of Chinese incursions into Indian territory remains as high as last year, Indian officials said that such "transgression" must be seen in the proper context. "The fact is that we don't yet have a mutually agreed LAC. We have proposed an early clarification from China on LAC, but so far there has been no response from Beijing," a top government official said.

The official maintained that India would go by the "standard mechanism" while dealing with such incursions. The standard mechanism implies flag meetings and diplomatic channels. "In case there is any stand-off, we will go by the India-China 2005 protocol," said the official. As per the 2005 protocol, a flag meeting is to be called within 48 hours of any air intrusion for clarification. The intrusion then has to be investigated by the guilty side and the result commmunicated to the other country within four weeks.

Meanwhile, Gen Kapoor admitted that there was an incursion by a Chinese chopper two months ago even though he suggested that media was reading too much into it. "There have been several violations and one incursion by a Chinese helicopter in the past few months. It could have happened due to a navigational error but that does not justify it. It was taken up at the border personnel meet," he told reporters. Gen Kapoor on Monday assumed office as the chairman of the Chiefs of Staff Committee on the retirement of Indian Navy chief Admiral Sureesh Mehta.

He said the matter was taken up by India during the border personnel meeting with the Chinese immediately after the incursion. "The matter has been taken up with China during meetings of border personnel of the two sides," Gen Kapoor said.

"When intrusions take place, they are taken up at the regular border personnel meets which happen on an ongoing basis. We also go up to the Line of Actual Control as we perceive it to be. It is not as big a concern as the number of intrusions are similar to last year," Gen Kapoor said.

On a question whether India needed a chief of defence staff, the Army chief said, "It is better India has a CDS as it is in the interest of the armed forces if we shift to this system."

He denied reports that he had met the Pakistan army chief in Tokyo during Pacific Army Commanders Conference early this month. There was no representative from Pakistan army in that conference, he clarified

 

[ppgj]

surprising india always "plays down" the incidents saying different perceptions regards the lac.why they can't reverse the same on the same grounds.if it helps them in bargaining for the border settlement it will do the same to india.

 

[I-G]

No violation of Indian airspace: China
Saibal Dasgupta , TNN 1 September 2009, 07:38pm IST


BEIJING: China on Tuesday said its border patrols are conducted strictly “in accordance with law”. Jiang Yu, spokeswoman for the Chinese foreign ministry, said on Tuesday in reply to a question about Chinese helicopters violating Indian air space.

Saying that she had taken note of Indian media reports on the issue, Jiang said Chinese military never crossed into the air space of other countries. She also pooh-poohed Indian media reports which talked about military firing into India from across the border with China.

Jiang described the reports as “groundless” and said that the two countries have arrived at a consensus about making efforts to safeguard peace and tranquility on the border region while the border issue is being negotiated.

In reply to a question about plans of the newly elected Democratic Party in Tokyo to establish a military for Japan, Jiang said all neighboring countries in the region were very concerned about it. All neighbors wanted Japan to follow a path that is conducive to its own peace as well as the peace and stability of the region.

Though Beijing is happy about the change of guard in Tokyo and expects the new government to be free of historic anti-China sentiments, it is also worried about the Democratic Party’s eagerness to develop its own military might. Given Japan’s financial and technological strengths, Beijing has cause to be worried about having another strong military power in the neighborhood.

Jiang said China wanted to continue the “sound momentum” taking place in the improvement of relationship between the two countries in recent months. It also wants Japan’s new leaders to “treat historical issues in a proper manner” and avoid visiting the controversial Yasukuni Shrine where 14 military leaders of the past, whom China considers to be class a war criminals, are enshrined.

No violation of Indian airspace: China - China - World - NEWS - The Times of India

 

[johnq]

The reason why China is denying any "intrusion" is because they consider that entire area as part of China. The Chinese keep on expanding their claims and intruding deeper and deeper into India, and our netas keep on allowing it.

 

[Flint]

surprising india always "plays down" the incidents saying different perceptions regards the lac.why they can't reverse the same on the same grounds.if it helps them in bargaining for the border settlement it will do the same to india.

India should play it down in public. No point in creating anti-China hysteria in the media.

 

[Vladimir79]

India should play it down in public. No point in creating anti-China hysteria in the media.

Why not see this as an opportunity to gain military funding? Why wait for them to attack your troops like we did in S.Ossetia? Chance favours the prepared mind.

 

[ppgj]

India should play it down in public. No point in creating anti-China hysteria in the media.

flint
i agree with you.we should not make noises.all i am saying is india also should do the same based on the same reasons- 'perceptions' and do it quietly.

 

[amitkriit]

Problem with India is our "political leadership", we have got lots of "Economists", "Socialists" in our cabinet, position of "Defence Expert" is still vacant.

 

[IBRIS]

Very little has come out from the Indian foreign ministry about the recently concluded 13th round of Special Representative (SR) level talks (August 7-8) between India and China in New Delhi. 13th round of SR level talks was being held in India, the Chinese played a softer line in the run up to the talks. Having assessed sharply criticising reports in the Chinese official media in recent months, the Indian government apparently decided not get pushed over.
They are acutely aware that while their missiles and nuclear weapons programmes started in the late 1950s with some Soviet assistance and stolen technology from the West India, a late arrival in the game, has demonstrated its high level of technological sophistication and can draw parity with China soon enough. US strategy was to try and set the two Asian powers in military conflict, obviously trying to tell Indian observers that Washington has a covert strategic motive in promoting defence and high technology co-operation with India. China's trade in spurious goods export to India, and using Indian label to its spurious medical supplies to Nigeria and other countries, is legend.

 

[mig-29]

It is high time that this issue is taken care of , they always start like this , who knows these small incursions are a bigger plan for mobilization of troops to occupy the territories and Chinese are just testing the defense of these areas by incursions , what if the helicopters had sophisticated sensors to create a picture of ORBAT , first the gov should play down these incursions in media and allow the army to take care of it.

 

[shankarosky]

This have been going on in fact for quite some time - the indo china border is not demarcated properly and incursions happen from both sides -but recently it appears the frequency have increased -may be their local border units are probing our response

 

[IBRIS]

The Chinese must understand that 2009 is not 1962. The Chinese authorities are not giving the Indian government an option. It is- fall in line or face the consequences. The Chinese hard line leaders apparently feel unshackled finally from Deng Xiaoping’s restraint. The PLA, a powerful pillar of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) has always been hardline on territorial and important foreign policy issues. Claimants to sections of the Spratly Islands have been threatened, Japan’s determination to protect sovereignty over the Senkaku Islands tested, US naval vessels in the international waters of the region have been limitedly provoked, and cyber attacks made trial runs on computers of various countries including India. I mean enough is enough when it comes to provoking all it's neighbours. China will fall on it's own face.

 

[Flint]

Why not see this as an opportunity to gain military funding? Why wait for them to attack your troops like we did in S.Ossetia? Chance favours the prepared mind.

Why do people assume that playing it down in public is the same as doing nothing about it? Am I to assume that the Indian government is incapable of acting unless something become a media phenomenon?

I'm tired of all this media-tamasha, especially with Pakistan. Pointing fingers at Zardari or whoever isn't going to solve anything. If we want to do something, then better to do it quietly.

The media has its own role, especially when it can be used to get out our message to the world and get people on our side, but beyond a point, it is counterproductive.

 

[tharikiran]

Aren't we under estimating the Armed forces. Remember the Atlantique incident.
They crossed lines and it was shot down. No media nothing.

 

[Vladimir79]

Aren't we under estimating the Armed forces. Remember the Atlantique incident.
They crossed lines and it was shot down. No media nothing.

No media? It went all the way to the ICJ.