India-China Relations

badguy2000

Respected Member
Senior Member
Joined
May 20, 2009
Messages
5,133
Likes
746
The reforms didn't start until after the 1984 2nd Sino-VN War. The first Fist Units (assualt companies) were first introduced around 1987.
Deng decided to reform PLA, not only for the modernization of PLA,but also to purge
his potilical opposition factions among PLA.
 

I-G

Tihar Jail
Banned
Joined
Jun 16, 2009
Messages
2,736
Likes
57
Chinese incursion reported in Ladakh

Chinese helicopters enter Indian air space twice

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Advertisement
Share Print E-mail Comment[ - ] Text [ + ]STAFF WRITER 14:42 HRS IST


Sumir Kaul

Leh (JK), Aug 30 (PTI) Two Chinese helicopters have reportedly violated the Indian air space in recent months in Leh area of north Jammu and Kashmir during which they air-dropped some canned food in barren land at Chumar, northeast of this Himalayan town, along the border.

The MI series helicopters were reported to the nearby defence post by residents of this high altitude area living along the Pangong lake, located in the lap of majestic hills, prompting the Army Aviation Corps to rush its Cheetah and Chetak helicopters.

However, they could only find tell-tale signs left by Chinese helicopters which hovered in the Indian territory for nearly five minutes dropping the food material on June 21 this year, sources said.
fullstory
 

ahmedsid

Top Gun
Senior Member
Joined
Feb 21, 2009
Messages
2,960
Likes
252
Victory Chen said: "no picture , no truth"
Yeah, our job is to take pics while the chinese violate!!! You do know that in situations like this its normal not to take pictures, its not like India china going to war over this!
 

Koji

Regular Member
Joined
May 24, 2009
Messages
758
Likes
1
Yeah..lol, there's no way this can be construed as a hostile act!
 

1.44

Member of The Month SEPTEMBER 2009
Senior Member
Joined
Jun 8, 2009
Messages
4,359
Likes
56
These frequent incursions by the Chinese have to stop.They're taking India's patience for granted.

They dropped canned food? What a strange story.
Maybe it had lead in it:D
 

Flint

Senior Member
Joined
Mar 10, 2009
Messages
1,622
Likes
163
It says the incursions happened on june 21st. Then why is it being reported so late?
 

Vladimir79

Professional
Joined
Jul 1, 2009
Messages
1,404
Likes
82
What good is a border if it is not respected? We do not hesitate to shoot down intruders or sink ships that violate our laws. China has learned not to make this mistake or they know they will face death. If India wants to be a true power, they should not show weakness to the Chinese by inaction. PRC has been pushing across the border more and more and not reacting to these incursions shows weakness. India must take a stand, if it costs the death of intruders, their blood will be on their hands.
 

RPK

Indyakudimahan
Senior Member
Joined
Jun 29, 2009
Messages
4,970
Likes
229
Country flag
Chinese incursion reported in Ladakh

http://www.hindustantimes.com/News/jandk/Chinese-incursion-reported-in-Ladakh/Article1-448665.aspx

Chinese incursion reported in Ladakh



Amid reports of incursions by Chinese troops and choppers, the Indian Army has raised its vigil and preparedness to the highest level in the Ladakh region along the 646-km-long border with China, the line of actual control (LAC).

Brigadier Murali Gopalkrishnan of the Northern Command told Hindustan Times that the locals had sighted Chinese choppers in Indian territory south of Chunar.Army sources said that they were getting reports about Chinese intrusion from the locals, often shepherds, who take their yaks to high altitudes for grazing.

What has raised concern is the reported intrusion of two Chinese choppers in the south of Chumar on June 21, and accordingly the army began patrolling the area.

Over the past one year, shepherds and the people living close to the borderline have been reporting the presence of Chinese troops.

These reports had been conveyed to the Dalai Lama, the spiritual leader of the Tibetans, who was on a three-week visit to Leh till August 28, sources said.

Chinese troops enter the vast cold desert while patrolling, but return to their side of the line of control. Barren mountains and the absence of a demarcated borderline often cause confusion on both the sides.

Brigadier Murali Gopalkrishnan of the Northern Command told Hindustan Times that the locals had sighted Chinese choppers in Indian territory south of Chunar.

He, however, said that this was “often a matter of perception”.

Over the past one and a half years, India too has set up its air base close to the Chinese border in the Aksai Chin area. It has also constructed roads to connect the Dault Beg Olde and Fukche airfields, which were operationalised on May 31 and November 4 last year, for the first time after the India-China war of 1962.

In an interview with Hindustan Times, General Officer Commanding-in-Chief (Northern Command) Lt Gen PC Bhardwaj said that sometimes “minor issues” cropped up and were resolved locally. “We continue to maintain a high degree of operational preparedness,” he said.

He made it clear that there had been “no major deviations and cordial relations are maintained”.
 

RPK

Indyakudimahan
Senior Member
Joined
Jun 29, 2009
Messages
4,970
Likes
229
Country flag
India upset at Chinese incursions: India Today - Latest Breaking News from India, World, Business, Cricket, Sports, Bollywood.


India upset at Chinese incursions across the Line of Actual Control in the north and east of India are causing some concern in New Delhi.

But India has decided not to push these incidents till the time the Chinese show restraint and caution. Brig (retd) Arun Sehgal says, "It appears that New Delhi has decided to not push the issue militarily though we have the capability." The Press Trust of India in an exclusive story has revealed that two Chinese helicopters reportedly violated the Indian air space in recent months in the Leh area of north Jammu and Kashmir during which they airdropped some canned food in barren land at Chumar, northeast of this Himalayan town, along the border.

They have added the MI series helicopters that entered Indian airspace on 21 June were reported to the nearby defence post by residents of the high- altitude area living along the Pangong lake, prompting the Army Aviation Corps to rush its Cheetah and Chetak helicopters.

Sources told Mail Today that these are disputed areas on which competing claims exist of both China and India.

On a lot of these locations, the two sides have not even exchanged maps. The Army spokesperson for Udhampurbased Northern Command told PTI that there was a report of a helicopter flying in the area south of Chumar, where India and China have differences in perception on the Line of Actual Control.

A confidential defence document accessed by PTI shows that Chinese helicopters entered into Indian air space along the Damchok area and Trig Heights in Ladakh and air dropped canned food.

Chinese Peoples' Liberation Army has been crossing over into the Indian side in this region quite frequently with August reporting the maximum number of incursions.

Trig Heights also known as Trade junction, which connected Ladakh with Tibet in earlier days, is an area where Chinese patrol have frequented this year in June, July and August. Chinese Army patrols have made 26 sorties in June, By Mail Today Bureau in New Delhi including two incursions by helicopters, and 21 in July.

In August this year, Chinese patrols have entered into the Indian territory 26 times and walked away with petrol and kerosene meant for jawans of the border guarding forces.

Brig Sehgal says, at least, in the east the aggressive patrolling by the Chinese forces appears to be an attempt at establishing presence in such areas that could come under negotiation between the two sides. "If they can show that they have marked their presence in these areas, that would enhance their claim," he says.

The PTI story says incursions have taken place in eastern Ladakh and on the northern bank of Pangong Tso Lake, located 168 km from Leh. Chinese patrols come frequently in the north and south of this lake, whose 45 km are on Indian side while another 90 on Chinese side. India and China have been engaged in talks over the Line of Actual Control and had exchanged maps in 2002. In the western sector (East Jammu and Kashmir), the Samar Lungpa area, between the Karakoram Pass and the Chipchap river, is contentious, with Chinese maps showing the Line of Actual Control to be south of the Samar Lungpa.

This is the northernmost part of the border, far to the north of Leh. But while the Indo- Tibetan Border Police operates north of the line the Chinese claim to be the border, they remain south of the Lungpa. South of the Chipchap River are the Trig Heights, comprising Points 5495 and 5459.

Chinese troops frequently enter the area and in fact, they have a name for Point 5459; Manshen Hill.
 

RPK

Indyakudimahan
Senior Member
Joined
Jun 29, 2009
Messages
4,970
Likes
229
Country flag
Army confirms violation of Indian air space by Chinese copters

New Delhi, Aug 31 (ANI): The Indian Army on Monday said that China violated the Indian air space in Leh in Jammu and Kashmir.

Army Spokesperson Northern Command, Colonel Kachari said, “It has happened. That is confirmed. But there is nothing alarming in it. I have given a written reply and that is the correct version.”

Two Chinese helicopters reportedly violated the Indian air space in the recent months in Leh.

The helicopters air-dropped some canned food in a barren land at Chumar, northeast of Leh, along the border on June 21.

The MI series helicopters were reported by residents living along the Pangong lake.

The Chinese People’s Liberation Army has been crossing over into the Indian side in this region quite frequently with August reporting the maximum number of incursions. In August this year, Chinese patrols have entered into the Indian territory 26 times and walked away with petrol and kerosene meant for jawans of the border guarding forces.

The Chinese Army had made 223 attempts last year and left tell-tale signs. (ANI)
 

1.44

Member of The Month SEPTEMBER 2009
Senior Member
Joined
Jun 8, 2009
Messages
4,359
Likes
56
They dropped some canned food?Resupplying their own people ?Perhaps they navigated to the wrong area?It might be a simple navigation error.
Even so GOI needs to take this mater up with Chinese,for all the good it might do it might tell the Chinese we are aware of their incursions and will not take it lightly.
 

natarajan

Senior Member
Joined
Jul 28, 2009
Messages
2,592
Likes
762
our officials saying nothing to worry so they are going to watch this without moving from chairs or show india is ahimsa nation:((
 

1.44

Member of The Month SEPTEMBER 2009
Senior Member
Joined
Jun 8, 2009
Messages
4,359
Likes
56
Short of threatening war there's nothing we can do.The most we can do is take up the matter with the Chinese government.:(
 

Vladimir79

Professional
Joined
Jul 1, 2009
Messages
1,404
Likes
82
Short of threatening war there's nothing we can do.The most we can do is take up the matter with the Chinese government.:(
You can do nothing, or set up a SAM battery on that hill. The next helo that comes in range will be saying baibai.
 

Sabir

DFI TEAM
Senior Member
Joined
Jul 31, 2009
Messages
2,116
Likes
793
LOL! We have the whole area under surveillance. We can jam any SAM the Indians can deploy there.
Lol! we have all posts under surveillance. Mods can ban any troller that makes entry here.
 

Latest Replies

Global Defence

New threads

Articles

Top