Indigenous SSN

[Senior_Miguel]

Russia does not trust china. They simply provide them with products a notch below what India is offered. China has had some helpwith SSK design from russia but not SSN. The arihant is far superior to any chinese nuke sub thanks in part to consultations with russia. I am surprized no pic of Aarihant has been seen since 5 years of launch.No one has a clue where it is with all the false info that is fed by DRDO, IN and GoI.

Oh, they are just not so transparent with their programs as US are. ;-)

 

[Bheeshma]

US must be trying hard to find the Arihant..same as chinese.:thumb:

 

[p2prada]

What makes you think they would agree to help India design and build a series of its own SSN, which are obviously an offensive weapon aimed and PRC, when they need good relations with China?

They are already involved with Arihant. And they get money anyway.

The original design of Arihant was SSN, it was later changed to SSBN after the nuclear tests. So, we simply go back to the original design for the SSN.

 

[p2prada]

As well as a fleet of maritime survaillance aircrafts with torpedos

The navy wants 30 or 40 of these.

 

[Senior_Miguel]

The navy wants 30 or 40 of these.

You mean P-8I ?

 

[Apollyon]

You mean P-8I ?

P-8I is Long Range Maritime Patrol Aircraft. Then there's RFP for a Medium Range.

 

[p2prada]

You mean P-8I ?

Yeah, P-8I and also a new tender for a medium range aircraft.

IN has already ordered 12 and they think they need 24. 9 MRMR are expected and more in the future. But MRMR will only have capability against ships, not submarines.

India Issues Global Tender for Maritime Recon Planes | Defense News | defensenews.com

P-8I and MRMR also have the role of keeping an eye in the air. That makes them a quasi-AEW&C.

 

[Senior_Miguel]

Yeah, P-8I and also a new tender for a medium range aircraft.

IN has already ordered 12 and they think they need 24. 9 MRMR are expected and more in the future. But MRMR will only have capability against ships, not submarines.


P-8I and MRMR also have the role of keeping an eye in the air. That makes them a quasi-AEW&C.

So if you arm MRMR with anti-ship missiles, why can't you do it the same with lightweight torpedos? Mk 54 / 46 should be enough to make sure Chinese subs stay away from Indian EEZ (of course in tandem with P-8I and patrol vessels).

 

[p2prada]

So if you arm MRMR with anti-ship missiles, why can't you do it the same with lightweight torpedos? Mk 54 / 46 should be enough to make sure Chinese subs stay away from Indian EEZ (of course in tandem with P-8I and patrol vessels).

Maybe it won't carry the right sensors for anti-sub warfare. They say they need larger aircraft for sub hunting, like P-8I.

 

[Senior_Miguel]

Maybe it won't carry the right sensors for anti-sub warfare. They say they need larger aircraft for sub hunting, like P-8I.

I suppose they, the IN, know, what are they doing BTW, is there any news on heavyweight torpedos deal for Scorpene? Last I've heard, WASS was being blacklisted and there was that offer from Pipavav.

 

[anupamsurey]

It is true then, India has managed to evade prying eyes and keep its subs a secret (hard to do it in India). but the programme is running too slow, considering the situation in which India is now it needs rapid progress in underwater weaponry.

 

[Senior_Miguel]

It is true then, India has managed to evade prying eyes and keep its subs a secret (hard to do it in India). but the programme is running too slow, considering the situation in which India is now it needs rapid progress in underwater weaponry.

But in that case you must forget about indigenization in terms of visible ToT

 

[p2prada]

I suppose they, the IN, know, what are they doing BTW, is there any news on heavyweight torpedos deal for Scorpene? Last I've heard, WASS was being blacklisted and there was that offer from Pipavav.

We have two Indian options right now, the offer from Pipavav and Varunastra from DRDO.

Varunastra to undergo evaluation trials soon - The Hindu

 

[Senior_Miguel]

We have two Indian options right now, the offer from Pipavav and Varunastra from DRDO.

Varunastra to undergo evaluation trials soon - The Hindu

So it will be the matter of ToT German Atlas Elektronik will offer, that will decide on the deal.

 

[p2prada]

So it will be the matter of ToT German Atlas Elektronik will offer, that will decide on the deal.

Can't say anything. Atlas is already working on improving older torpedoes in the navy. They have a chance, but only through a tender. Varunastra may be purchased regardless because DRDO made it.

 

[Senior_Miguel]

Can't say anything. Atlas is already working on improving older torpedoes in the navy. They have a chance, but only through a tender. Varunastra may be purchased regardless because DRDO made it.

There's no point in ordering Varunastra just because it's made by DRDO if you have a better offer from the Germans. Objectivly speaking, Atlas has a better offer, because it's operational (and time is of the essence). I just wonder, how big ToT they will offer.

 

[p2prada]

There's no point in ordering Varunastra just because it's made by DRDO if you have a better offer from the Germans. Objectivly speaking, Atlas has a better offer, because it's operational (and time is of the essence). I just wonder, how big ToT they will offer.

They will have to relaunch the tender. Hopefully saner minds prevail and they get the Atlas torpedoes right away, in a govt to govt transaction instead of another tender. It is not likely any other manufacturer will bid for it.

Presently, the tender is under review. So let's see what happens.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Afaik, Varunastra is a long range Ship launched Torpedo, Its not for Submarine use ..

Atlas is purely for submarines, But its software and battery even warhead will be Indian ..

There's no point in ordering Varunastra just because it's made by DRDO if you have a better offer from the Germans. Objectivly speaking, Atlas has a better offer, because it's operational (and time is of the essence). I just wonder, how big ToT they will offer.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Some pictures i took during DEFEXPO-2014 .. >>

ATLAS SeaHake Torpedo

The German torpedo is chosen as primary torpedo for all Submarines

Rear view

Water Jet and Fiber optic cable

Water Jet and Fiber optic cable

Description

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Its worth reading the material ..

 

[Senior_Miguel]

Afaik, Varunastra is a long range Ship launched Torpedo, Its not for Submarine use ..

Atlas is purely for submarines, But its software and battery even warhead will be Indian ..[/QUOTE

Wow, that's a big indiginization for Atlas/Pipavav