India's Vietnam

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[HeinzGud]

How can it be termed as India's Vietnam?

1) India never came to Invade Sri Lanka.

2) Indian's were called in to help Sri Lanka and treacherous Sinhalas.

3) We never lost 54,000 men without any result.

4) SL and Sinhalas sided with LTTE and gave them all possible support.

5) Latter, when we understood the dirty Sinhala game, we left SL and allowed Sinhalas to fight rag-tag LTTE for good and allowed SLA and SL to see themselves in the mirror.

(RIGHTLY Sinhalas LOST 25% of their COUNTRY.)

6) We all know how well SLA fared against ill-equipped LTTE for 30 years.

7) Later again, SL BEGGED the world to HELP with money and arms to tackle LTTE.

8.) World, including India helped train half a million SLA to fight 5000 tigers. (even then it took years for SLA to Victory, what Bravery?).

9) India even created a 'Naval Blockade' to cut supply lines of LTTE; without which SLA would have been - as usual again crushed by determined LTTE fighters.

10) SLA and Sinhalas conducted a genocide of civilian population, claimed victory and DECLARED Allegiance To INDIA.

How is it India's Vietnam - you moron?

1) I totally agree!

2) Indian's were called in to help Sri Lanka by their own government

3) Captured Jaffna and pushed LTTE into jungles in Vanni

4) Sinhalese never given any support to LTTE but precedent Premadasa who wanted peace between Sinhala and Tamil people. LTTE readily accepted his assistance and also pretend to ready for peace talks and later killed Premadasa.

5) IPKF were summoned because precedent Premadasa asked V.P Singh government to withdraw them!

6) SL army was not like Indian army and we learnt from our mistakes and finished LTTE (the world's most brutal terrorist organization)

7) yes we did! SL is a poor country but we didn't fared Sudan's fate nor India's in 1962!

8) 5000 tigers + 300,000 civilians LTTE kept as a sheild. Bravery doesn't depend on how many years you tried mate! or is it?

9) Are you from mars? What naval blockade? India merely sent intel reports on LTTE ships' whereabouts to SLN. SLN did the rest! Learn history!

10) Give us some proofs!

That's how it's become India's Vietnam - you moron!

 

[HeinzGud]

In 1986, Jafna, Vavunia, all araes North of Auradhpuara, Trincomalee and batticalao was under LTTE. You had lost everything. South was also lost to JVP. SL was in shamlbes. Bahndarnaike was almost under house arrest. Premadasa was hobnobbing with JVP to throw away Jayvardhna. Had IPKF not come the SL would be in tatters and Chinese and Pakistani warships berthed all around.

Were you born by then?

You are certainly not a SL. The revolt of 70s by the hardcore fundamenatalist in Galle is not known to you when Indian Para Brigade had to intervene. IPKF was not the first military intervention. It is you who need to learn some history.... The JVP started after IPKF? Read some history.

What i mentioned was in '86!

This led to the post-1987 revolt of the JVP when, adroitly exploiting the arrival of the Indian Peace Keeping Force and the widespread nationalist sentiments of large sections of the Sinhala people, the JVP began to terrorise both the state machinery and those sections of civil society opposed to its thinking and almost brought the State to its knees.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janatha_Vimukthi_Peramuna

 

[lemontree]

9) Are you from mars? What naval blockade? India merely sent intel reports on LTTE ships' whereabouts to SLN. SLN did the rest! Learn history!

Maybe you are not aware but India help was more than just intel report:-
(a) In early 2006, India quietly gifted five Mi-17 helicopters to the Sri Lankan air force. The only Indian condition was: These helicopters would fly under Sri Lankan air force colours. New Delhi clearly did not want to annoy UPA's Tamil Nadu allies like the DMK.
(b) A Sukanya Class offshore patrol vessel gifted by the Indian Coast Guard to the Sri Lankan navy in 2002.

But hampered by domestic compulsion, New Delhi could not go beyond such meagre and clandestine transfer of military hardware. Publicly all that India was willing to acknowledge was the supply of low-flying detection 'Indra' radars to the Sri Lankan air force since this equipment was considered a defensive apparatus.

Insiders in Sri Lanka's defence establishment reveal that India's insistence on securing exclusive rights to the use of Palaly air base in the Jaffna peninsula was the most contentious point between the two delegations.

Colombo saw this demand from India as downright insulting and symptomatic of India's hegemonistic mindset. So the Defence Cooperation Agreement (DCA) never got off the ground. Ironically, three months after the Eelam War IV ended, India decided to fund the repair and restoration of the Palaly air base in north Sri Lanka.

(c) Sri Lankan leadership acknowledged the Indian Navy's contribution in locating and destroying at least 10 'floating warehouses' owned by the LTTE. These warehouses or ships of varying sizes were used by the LTTE to store arms, ammunition and even armoured personnel carriers.

Indian and Sri Lankan navy conducted well-coordinated operations by the two navies between 2006 and 2009 actually broke the backbone of the Sea Tigers. The Indian Navy's Dorniers based at Ramnad in Tamil Nadu flew regular reconnaissance missions over the seas around Sri Lanka. These Dornier aircraft, fitted with high-powered radar, scoured the area for ships with suspicious movement and cargo.

Whenever such a ship was detected, the Indian Navy passed on the information to the Sri Lankans. The real time intelligence helped the Sri Lankan navy track and then destroy LTTE arms consignments. The fact remains that in late 2007, the Indian Navy's Southern Command deployed three fast attack boats and a missile corvette that patrolled the Palk Straits, searched and caught hold of LTTE fugitives.

 

[Ray]

IPKF was supposed to be peace keeping and then when the LTTE attacked them, it converted in peace enforcing to assist the SL Govt.

Therefore, I do not understand how it is India's Vietnam.

India has the military wherewithal not only to overwhelm the LTTE, but also the SL military and ensure its will.

But then it was not India's aim to take over SL.

It was there to assist the SL Govt.

I might say, even now, if India wants to overwhelm SL, it is no big deal!

 

[HeinzGud]

Maybe you are not aware but India help was more than just intel report:-
(a) In early 2006, India quietly gifted five Mi-17 helicopters to the Sri Lankan air force. The only Indian condition was: These helicopters would fly under Sri Lankan air force colours. New Delhi clearly did not want to annoy UPA's Tamil Nadu allies like the DMK.
(b) A Sukanya Class offshore patrol vessel gifted by the Indian Coast Guard to the Sri Lankan navy in 2002.

But hampered by domestic compulsion, New Delhi could not go beyond such meagre and clandestine transfer of military hardware. Publicly all that India was willing to acknowledge was the supply of low-flying detection 'Indra' radars to the Sri Lankan air force since this equipment was considered a defensive apparatus.

Insiders in Sri Lanka's defence establishment reveal that India's insistence on securing exclusive rights to the use of Palaly air base in the Jaffna peninsula was the most contentious point between the two delegations.

Colombo saw this demand from India as downright insulting and symptomatic of India's hegemonistic mindset. So the Defence Cooperation Agreement (DCA) never got off the ground. Ironically, three months after the Eelam War IV ended, India decided to fund the repair and restoration of the Palaly air base in north Sri Lanka.

(c) Sri Lankan leadership acknowledged the Indian Navy's contribution in locating and destroying at least 10 'floating warehouses' owned by the LTTE. These warehouses or ships of varying sizes were used by the LTTE to store arms, ammunition and even armoured personnel carriers.

Indian and Sri Lankan navy conducted well-coordinated operations by the two navies between 2006 and 2009 actually broke the backbone of the Sea Tigers. The Indian Navy's Dorniers based at Ramnad in Tamil Nadu flew regular reconnaissance missions over the seas around Sri Lanka. These Dornier aircraft, fitted with high-powered radar, scoured the area for ships with suspicious movement and cargo.

Whenever such a ship was detected, the Indian Navy passed on the information to the Sri Lankans. The real time intelligence helped the Sri Lankan navy track and then destroy LTTE arms consignments. The fact remains that in late 2007, the Indian Navy's Southern Command deployed three fast attack boats and a missile corvette that patrolled the Palk Straits, searched and caught hold of LTTE fugitives.

Yes we do respect the Indian contribution for Elam war 4!

 

[Ray]

If I may remind all of Operation Poomalai or Eagle Mission 4 .

SL could do fanny adams!

 

[HeinzGud]

IPKF was supposed to be peace keeping and then when the LTTE attacked them, it converted in peace enforcing to assist the SL Govt.

Therefore, I do not understand how it is India's Vietnam.

Ain't that what happened to US in Vietnam??

India has the military wherewithal not only to overwhelm the LTTE, but also the SL military and ensure its will.

But then it was not India's aim to take over SL.

It was there to assist the SL Govt.

I might say, even now, if India wants to overwhelm SL, it is no big deal!

We do respect India and keep a watchful eye on Indian issues related to SL.

 

[Ray]

Ain't that what happened to US in Vietnam??

I am afraid I cannot explain Vietnam and the US in a post.

If one understood the Vietnam war and the US equation, then they would realise that there is no connection.

We do respect India and keep a watchful eye on Indian issues related to SL.

It is SL's prerogative.

 

[Nagraj]

@HeinzGud


What exactly they teach in srilankan schools about india's role ???
or may be what's srilankan POV???

 

[HeinzGud]

@HeinzGud


What exactly they teach in srilankan schools about india's role ???
or may be what's srilankan POV???

Same thing that teach in India!

India put hand to the fire and burnt itself despite certain calls from Sri Lanka to not to do it! That's SL POV!

 

[lemontree]

In short - The IPKF was not India's Vietnam.

The Tamil issue in Sri Lanka is due to their own internal ethnic strife between the Sinhala's and the Tamils. The problem started due to discrimination and prosecution suffered by the Tamils at the hands of the Sinhala majority.

At the same time the cold war was on and Sri Lanka, seemed to glide into the US influence. New Delhi strongly opposed in the early 1980s Colombo's decision to allow the VOA to expand its facilities in Sri Lankan territory. New Delhi suspected that the expansion was partly meant to provide the CIA with a strong presence in Sri Lanka to intercept the communications of the nuclear and space establishments in South India.

The Sri Lankan Tamil plight had a lot of supporters in South India. Seeing the US intelligence set up in Trincomalee as a threat to Indian security - Indira Gandhi authorised the entry of India into a clandestine war in the island nation. India trained and supported the various Tamil guerilla groups.

The IPKF was sent in to disarm the Tamil guerillas. They were not prepared to fight a war. The spark was caused by a RAW goof up that led to the death of 10 or 14 LTTE members (suicide by cynide).

 

[Ray]

Same thing that teach in India!

India put hand to the fire and burnt itself despite certain calls from Sri Lanka to not to do it! That's SL POV!

To be very frank, nothing about Sri Lanka is taught in India.

I am not being obtuse, but SL has never featured in our historical books in the school level.

 

[HeinzGud]

Indeed. And how come Indian army was so naive to believe that LTTE would just give up weapons and stop all violence?

Wasn't RAW confided Indian government on LTTE wan't fight with IPKF!

 

[HeinzGud]

To be very frank, nothing about Sri Lanka is taught in India.

I am not being obtuse, but SL has never featured in our historical books in the school level.

Maybe in RAMAYANA...............

 

[Payeng]

The SpArK was caused by a RAW goof up that led to the death of 10 or 14 LTTE members (suicide by cynide).

Seems like the cause of the beginning of the tension.

 

[Ray]

Maybe in RAMAYANA...............

It is not taught in Schools.

At best, in some homes.

And worse is that people know about it through TV serials and Amar Chitra Katha!

 

[lemontree]

Indeed. And how come Indian army was so naive to believe that LTTE would just give up weapons and stop all violence?

Wasn't RAW confided Indian government on LTTE wan't fight with IPKF!

In the Sri Lanka operations one part of the government did not know what the other was doing. While RAW knew what it was doing politically, neither it nor the government was unable to fathom the potential for trouble that was generated by this operation. This was because the mission sought to achieve too much at one time. The number of groups being trained were one too many and difficult to control. No accountability existed and eventually not enough attention was paid to the risks of losing control over the insurgents.

In politico-military terms, covert action proved to be of little use when the IPKF went into Sri Lanka in 1987. For the simple reason that intelligence on the insurgents trained by India was not forthcoming. Also, the intelligence agencies continued to covertly continue political dealings with the insurgents to suit their ends, even during the IPKF's stay in Sri Lanka. This undermined the foreign policy goal of sending a peacekeeping force to restore peace in Sri Lanka.

 

[Payeng]

Maybe in RAMAYANA...............

That was Lanka, yours is Sri Lanka, you must be good people I believe.

 

[Bhadra]

India is a neighbour of SL and its moral and practical duty of India to help her neighbours in whatever way is mutually beneficial. It is not only true for SL but also for Nepal, Bhutan, Bangladesh and Myanmar. IPKF had gone to SL under the mutual agreement between the two countries with the aim to help out LTTE and Govt of SL. It is a diffrent thing that LTTE chose otherwise. When the Govt of SL also desired that IPKF should be withdrawn, it was withdrawn. Like the Para Brigade took part quelling a rebellion by JVP in 1971 / 72.

For your kind information, your own president did not have faith on SLA and the presidential palace was guarded by Indian SF for good about three years ! There was so much infiltration of fundamentalist Buddhist JVP in SLA that it became unreliable.

IPKF shed lots of Indian blood to ensure sovereignty and integrity of SL. You call that Indian Vietnam. You can not be a true Srilankan.