India's response to N-attack will be heavy: IAF

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Although, I don't for once doubt the capabilities of a leader like ACM Naik, but government dangling the carrots and Naik brandishing the stick seems to be an unsaid cooperation at play between the IAF and South Block. Keep Pakistan in the clear about what we can do , and we will (Naik's forte), on the other hand show them the willingness to sort all issues diplomatically and peacefully (government's forte). So in a way both views are clear to the other side. The government can always say the Mr. Naik's views and statements are his personal opinion.
 

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agreed, but at the same time you cannot consider Pakistan any way near West or Soviet Union of that time, yeah in India we fear Nuclear war, but Pakistan with its India centric mentality and deep routed thirst for revenge for the humiliation for East Pakistan now Bangladesh, this is not allowing them to think rationally.

You cannot assume that those mullas who have deep route in PA are not going to use Nukes as first option, look at the production rate of their nukes, their country is almost as good as bankrupt (surviving on aid from US, west and soft loan from China), still they invest in nukes and missile. I would also say that Pakistani insanity is evident from the fact that they have more nukes then India as per Internationally known data still they have first use policy, that sum up my argument.

Remember we will not be first one to start it, but rest assured we will be last one to end it.
Ok, I understand now. Its disgraceful that the US supports Pakistan, I can't understand how you can deal with the US and even contemplate buying weapons off them. It was well know even in the days of the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan that they were behind the Taliban (Muhajadine as they were known).
 

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Ok, I understand now. Its disgraceful that the US supports Pakistan, I can't understand how you can deal with the US and even contemplate buying weapons off them. It was well know even in the days of the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan that they were behind the Taliban (Muhajadine as they were known).
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i think IAF chief is very frank and tough man, he has never care for political leadership, he always said what is good for India. We need person like him in top places.
Agree, I also feel that our current IAF chief is a real man and he'll never come under political pressure when he'll need to take tough decision. We need such person in our forces and as a defense ministry.
 

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Now we got a real man

i think IAF chief is very frank and tough man, he has never care for political leadership, he always said what is good for India. We need person like him in top places.
Agree, I also feel that our current IAF chief is a real man and he'll never come under political pressure when he'll need to take tough decision. We need such person in our forces and as a defense ministry.
 

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Agree, I also feel that our current IAF chief is a real man and he'll never come under political pressure when he'll need to take tough decision. We need such person in our forces and as a defense ministry.
I think he is speaking his mind more because he is retiring soon - anyway, I hope the Indo-Pak talks go well.
 

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Can someone give me an update to the Farkhor Air Base? If we can launch planes from there how much time would they need to reach pakistan?
 

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Can someone give me an update to the Farkhor Air Base? If we can launch planes from there how much time would they need to reach pakistan?
There is no base and there are no Indian fighters there.
 

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How,MMRCA no where in picture,old air defence, missile not enough.How only with SU30 or bramos or wat
 

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How,MMRCA no where in picture,old air defence, missile not enough.How only with SU30 or bramos or wat

just paper fight well no doubt we are much better condition against Pakistan but not against china

MMRCA,PAK FA MCA ALL are future plans
 

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i think IAF chief is very frank and tough man, he has never care for political leadership, he always said what is good for India. We need person like him in top places.
Yeah, ACM Naik is a man of style. He's perhaps the first Joint Chief after General Mankeshaw to have the b@lls to take on Kaangress honchos head on without worrying about his position or professional safety. Anthony is just a Maino lapdog who will wince everytime Madam Maino cracks her whip.

I wish Naik stays and pray that soon to be ACM Browne is something alone this line. We need such Joint Chiefs who actually tell the public what the anti-national Congress hides..
 

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A fair point, the 9/11 attack on the US legitimised the invasion of Afganistan. It was an act of war against a NATO country no question about it.
In the Cold War between the West and the Soviet Union proxy's were used to fight, it never lead to nuclear war and I don't think it will for India.
Pakistanis are a very different bunch of breed my friend. They are so brainwashed and hate-bred that anything is possible from them. Soviets and Americans were damn rational, educated, sensible and pragmatic countries. Pakistanis on the other hand are built only around one pillar and that is religion. They are so consumed by intolerance of their religion variant that they want to be everything India is not. They are so emotionally immature and unstable that nothing can be ruled out with them. Why do you think half of our attention goes in dealing with them and remaining half dealing with the Chinese Communist madcaps?

So technically, we cannot be as assured as either Russians or Americans that a nuke warfare will be held at all.
 

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Pakistanis on the other hand are built only around one pillar and that is religion. They are so consumed by intolerance of their religion variant that they want to be everything India is not. They are so emotionally immature and unstable that nothing can be ruled out with them.
That is the stereotypical view of many Indians who have little understanding of Pakistan. Pakistanis are not subservient to their religion, they make their religion subservient to Pakistan. Pakistan started to play up and use their Islamic identity in the 1970s simply because they had nowhere else to go. Bhutto saw that Nehru had taken India on the world stage and become a world leader by forming NAM (Non Aligned Movement). Bhutto wanted to do that for himself and Pakistan, and not having any other platform, he decided to rake up Islam and try to become a world leader in the Islamic world. That is when he went rabid and started mixing his Socialist policies with Islam. It is also when Pakistan started playing with the "Islamic" bomb (not Pakistani, but "Islamic"). When Zia came onto the scene, he again tried to use Islam to try and serve Pakistan's interests by shaping Islam into an anti-India tool and trying to forge a Pakistani identity on that basis. He revamped the whole education system to brainwash Pakistanis with such propaganda and lies, and which is today the base of many of the educated but deluded Pakistani youth of today. If you talk to the older generation of Pakistanis, ones educated prior to the 1980s, you will find a world of a difference between them and today's Pakistanis. The older generation of yesteryears is much much saner and not as deluded.

So, it is very flawed to claim that Pakistan is built around Islam; actually it is a very humorous joke to state that. Pakistan has not built itself around Islam, they have built Islam around itself and to serve Pakistan's national interests.
 

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There is nothing to worry about pak nuclear attack....just imagine the scenario..pakistanis too are responsible .they will only launch a nuke assault if we send armies across border ...then they will fire nukes over our assault team...the maximum casualty will be 3ooo only..coz only that much soldiers will be there in a an assault party...if such a situation occur then we dont have to worry abt the no first use of nuke policy...our nukes will land clearly over lahore and karachi..or on both citieds plus rawalpindi..that means the total command centre of pak strategic ommand will be nothing more than ashes..soon UN will interfere and we will won the battle without much losses and pakistan will be sent back to stone age....
 

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There is nothing to worry about pak nuclear attack....just imagine the scenario..pakistanis too are responsible .they will only launch a nuke assault if we send armies across border ...then they will fire nukes over our assault team...the maximum casualty will be 3ooo only..coz only that much soldiers will be there in a an assault party...if such a situation occur then we dont have to worry abt the no first use of nuke policy...our nukes will land clearly over lahore and karachi..or on both citieds plus rawalpindi..that means the total command centre of pak strategic ommand will be nothing more than ashes..soon UN will interfere and we will won the battle without much losses and pakistan will be sent back to stone age....
They won't stop at our IBGs they would fire all of their shit at us in the hope that they render our second strike capability impotent when the push comes to shove.
We need to gather intel on their nuclear installations while there is relative peace b/w the two countries(however superficial), these installations should be our first targets when shit really hits the fan. And don't think the world is gonna interfere with the war, they would just sit back and enjoy the fireworks like they have always done in the past.

And i disagree, 3000 soldiers is still a big loss.
 
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That is the stereotypical view of many Indians who have little understanding of Pakistan. Pakistanis are not subservient to their religion, they make their religion subservient to Pakistan. Pakistan started to play up and use their Islamic identity in the 1970s simply because they had nowhere else to go. Bhutto saw that Nehru had taken India on the world stage and become a world leader by forming NAM (Non Aligned Movement). Bhutto wanted to do that for himself and Pakistan, and not having any other platform, he decided to rake up Islam and try to become a world leader in the Islamic world. That is when he went rabid and started mixing his Socialist policies with Islam. It is also when Pakistan started playing with the "Islamic" bomb (not Pakistani, but "Islamic"). When Zia came onto the scene, he again tried to use Islam to try and serve Pakistan's interests by shaping Islam into an anti-India tool and trying to forge a Pakistani identity on that basis. He revamped the whole education system to brainwash Pakistanis with such propaganda and lies, and which is today the base of many of the educated but deluded Pakistani youth of today. If you talk to the older generation of Pakistanis, ones educated prior to the 1980s, you will find a world of a difference between them and today's Pakistanis. The older generation of yesteryears is much much saner and not as deluded.

So, it is very flawed to claim that Pakistan is built around Islam; actually it is a very humorous joke to state that. Pakistan has not built itself around Islam, they have built Islam around itself and to serve Pakistan's national interests.
But that is not what the action is showing isn't it? Those educated prior to 80s are of little significance in terms of political action and ill-will and ill-action towards us. While I don't have anything personal against Pakistanis, they somehow take the issue in a very hostile manner. Since you say older generation was saner, I'd say things are going to get worse as the newer post-80s generation gets older to take command of the country.

This is what makes the environment unpredictable even further.
 

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But that is not what the action is showing isn't it? Those educated prior to 80s are of little significance in terms of political action and ill-will and ill-action towards us. While I don't have anything personal against Pakistanis, they somehow take the issue in a very hostile manner. Since you say older generation was saner, I'd say things are going to get worse as the newer post-80s generation gets older to take command of the country.

This is what makes the environment unpredictable even further.
No doubt things are going to get worse. I'm only saying that if those chaps have been retarded by their propaganda than why are you following in their footsteps and giving credence to their f*cked up ideology?? Why are you conceding to them that their country is based on Islam, when that is exactly what they want to hear? Pakistan has done with Islam like it has done with everything else; it has f*cked it up badly. Pakistanis are fascist ultra-nationalists who follow a bastardized version of Islam to suite their ulterior national motives.

/Rant off.
 

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The general opinion inside Pakistan is that Indians are weak and frankly we are half responsible for that. We have not taken advantage when we could have on numerous occasions. We give them this opportunity to hurt us again and again due to many factors. Maybe our strategists are waiting when time is ripe or they are waiting for Pakistan to self destruct which is very much on cards.

I welcome Air Chiefs comment that our response will be violent. They needed to be reminded of that in very clear terms that if you are mad we can be mad as well and more mad than you. Frankly we need to repeat it every few months.

We shouldnt have let Pakistani man have nuclear bombs, we should have done anything and everything to prevent them even if it meant war. But now when jinn is out we must do anything to disarm them of their nukes, at the same time make our BMD/SAM networks as capable as possibe. BMD are not highly reliable. unless we have much more number of defensive missiles then they have offensive ones to strike us and ours must be multi layered defence as well both in altitude and range. Even then we have to be prepared to loose few cities how ever stupid this may sound That is just fact. India has a inherit advantage that it is large with most of our population is based in rural areas and are difficult to target and thats where real India exists with its culture/civilisation. Pakistan cant dissolve Indian civilisation, what the heck even China cannot do it with their mega ton warheads even if they remove 100 of Indian cities from the map. That is worst case scenario. Even china and Pak combined cant send india to stone age, not possible. But few centuries back is very much possible and we will be open to exploitation again.

I would like one of our arm chiefs(not politician: there is a trust deficit) to publicly state all this so that Indian/World media picks it up and naturally more and more Indians will be interested in that and "talk" about that. That is very important that people know what is going on especially the ones in rural lands. Most Indians of latest generation know about atomic danger and we should talk and educate more and more people possible... Because honestly we need that big time especially how to survive nuclear war.

Some useful links: (Note Pakistan only possess Kiloton warheads according to public info out there and not Megatons about which some of these links talk about)

Ch. 1: The Dangers from Nuclear Weapons: Myths and Facts - Nuclear War Survival Skills
The Effects of Nuclear War
Effects of Nuclear Weapons and Nuclear War
http://www.preppers.info/uploads/wwnuclearwareffects.pdf

Sorry for some OT there.
 
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