India's own AESA Radars....dream to reality

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Interesting thread found on reddit that Su 30mki radar is hybrid AESA-PESA radar.

was reading a bit about radar systems, and this is what I saw about the Bars radar on the MKIs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bars_radar

N011M is used on Su-30MKI, and the contract for the N011M radar has three stages. The initial MK1 software was tested in 2002 and supplied with the first Su-30MKI deliveries. India was supposed to build both programmable signal processors and data processors under project "Vetrivale" to replace the original Russian components, but failed to do so within the required time frame, so MK2 still used the Russian equipment. In 2004, India delivered Vetrivale radar computer based in the i960 architecture. It's worth noting that N011M is not simply a PESA, but instead, it's a transition between PESA and AESA in that it adopts technologies from both: each transceiver on the antenna array of N011M has its own receiver amplifier, which is the same as AESA, and with noise level of 3dB, which is also in the same class of AESA arrays. However, for transmitting, N011M uses PESA technology in that a single Chelnok traveling-wave tube is used for EGSP-6A transmitter. There are three receiving channels for N011M.

N011M has a search range of 400 km and a tracking range of 200 km, with 60 km in the rear in the air-to-air mode. Detection range fighter type MIG-29 in area of review of over 300 sq. deg: - on towards course - up to 140 km; - in pursuit of - up to 60 km.

This was upgraded to Irbis-E which I think Russia offered to China.

Interesting bit about thehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irbis-E

It can detect a target with radar cross-section(RCS) 3m2 at up to 400 km, (towards each other, in an area of 100 square degrees)[3][4] while a target with RCS 0.01m2 at up to 90 km

This would mean an F-22 will remain virtually invisible to these radars.


Sometime back Vishnu Som mentioned it that India was looking at Irbis-E for MKI upgrade.


  1. The radar India will be looking to upgrade the jet with would be the Irbis-E ... which can can detect and track up to 30 airborne targets at one time at ranges near 350~400 kilometers, and attack up to 8.
A PESA remain a PESA, even with the most powerful processor behind it.
 

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A PESA remain a PESA, even with the most powerful processor behind it.
I asked this question before somewhere. How many mirage France has and is there a plan to integrate meteor to them?


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I asked this question before somewhere. How many mirage France has and is there a plan to integrate meteor to them?


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There are only nearly 30 Mirage 2000-5, with no plan to integrate Meteor on it. They will be retired in a few years.
There are 55 Mirage 2000D, dedicated to air to ground missions only to be upgraded soon. No question of Meteor (radar only able to AtoG tasks).
So definitively NO.
 

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Uttam AESA Radar inching towards clearance – Indian Defence Research Wing




LRDE is racing against time so that UTTAM Aesa Radar is ready for user trials within next one year so that it can be offered to Indian Air Force to be equipped on the 83 upgraded Tejas Mk1A fighter jet contract for which is likely to be inked by end of this year. Delays in the final contract of Tejas Mk1A due to price disagreements with the IAF and MOD has allowed LRDE to pick up pace in the carrying out developmental trials of the Radar so that it can be available to replace ELTA’s EL/M-2052 AESA Radar from Israel which has been selected for the Mk1A variant.

Three pre-production model of the UTTAM Aesa Radar have been performing well and have demonstrated capabilities which according to sources close to idrw.org has far exceeded that of the EL/M-2052 FCR in terms of tracking targets simultaneously and engage them in and the program has been receiving new software upgrades and opening of newer modes which makes team confident enough that it will be ready in next one year.

LSP-2 is only LCA-Tejas fighter jet which is currently equipped with the prototype of the UTTAM Aesa Radar but LRDE is also using a leased Business Jet which is also equipped with the same Radar for testing purpose which has allowed the team to test the radar at a much faster rate. third radar currently has been positioned at HAL airport on an elevated Roof which is tracking all incoming traffic in the area coming to the Bangalore International Airport Ltd (bial) which is 40km away from the HAL Airport.

IAF’s Jaguar Darin-III fleet already is fitted with the ELTA’s EL/M-2052 AESA Radar from Israel but UTTAM Aesa Radar has demonstrated better capabilities in its developmental trials which were witnessed by senior ranking IAF officials. IAF is open to switch from ELTA’s EL/M-2052 AESA Radar to UTTAM Aesa Radar if LRDE is able to complete its development by the time Mk1A variant enters production in 2022 or it will be used on MWF-Tejas Mk2 which will have its first flight in 2023 and will enter production in 2028.

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UTTAM Aesa Radar hv been performing well n hv demonstrated capabilities far exceeded tht of the ELM-2052 FCR in terms of tracking targets simultaneously n engage thm 1 out of 3 Pre production Uttam is deployed on tejas LSP-2, with a software upgrade, will b ready in next one year


 

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UTTAM Aesa Radar hv been performing well n hv demonstrated capabilities far exceeded tht of the ELM-2052 FCR in terms of tracking targets simultaneously n engage thm 1 out of 3 Pre production Uttam is deployed on tejas LSP-2, with a software upgrade, will b ready in next one year


Uttam has demonstrated the capability of detecting a 1 sq mt Target at a range of beyond 100 KM. Uttam has many other goodies. It can priority search the target. It can track the target while engaging with other planes. It can detect over 100 target while engage 10. ELM 2052 can detect 64 target and engage 6. Air to ground mode is done. May be they are working on anti ship mode. A major software update is planned this year to boost its capabilities. It may go for user trial subsequently.
 

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Aerodynamics (@Aerodynamic111) Tweeted:
DRDO has invested a lot of money in gallium nitride MMIC development projects and there are plans to set up a state of the art GaN foundry at IISc. It's likely that TR modules of AMCA's radar will use GaN-based solid-state RF amplifiers. GaN MMIC combined with latest LNA tech DRDO has invested a lot of money in gallium nitride MMIC development projects and there are plans to set up a state of the art GaN foundry at IISc. It's likely that TR modules of AMCA's radar will use GaN-based solid-state RF amplifiers. GaN MMIC combined with latest LNA tech
will greatly enhance the detection range (greater than 200km for a 1sqm RCS target). It also eliminates the requirement of a liquid coolant circulation based cooling system. Existing radars in IAF service use traveling wave tube amplifier and slotted waveguide antenna
The bandwidth of these radars is relatively narrow (600-800MHz). More advanced radars such as Uttam and EL/M-2052 have a much wider bandwidth (1-3GHz). A wideband radar using TSA radiating element may have a bandwidth no less than 5 GHz and an enhanced probability of detection
classification and it's much more difficult to jam. The associated wideband/multi-channel MMIC is however very complex and expensive. It is in an early development stage and the technology in question is futuristic. If this radar tech indeed goes to the AMCA,
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+then the development period is perfectly aligned with the timeline of the aircraft being inducted into the IAF i.e beyond 2032.
 

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1st indigenous X-Band Active Phased-Array Precision Approach Radar(PARs) for IAF and IN.
▪It provides the positional information of the aircraft(i.e range and deviation).
▪It can be operated either independently or as a part of the GCA + surveillance RADAR.
▪Last year MoD
 

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1st indigenous X-Band Active Phased-Array Precision Approach Radar(PARs) for IAF and IN.
▪It provides the positional information of the aircraft(i.e range and deviation).
▪It can be operated either independently or as a part of the GCA + surveillance RADAR.
▪Last year MoD
Data Patterns is 34 year Firm

 

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But isn't the seeker in the poster is too wide,it says the diameter is 180mm,while the Astra missile itself is 178mm wide...
You forgot we have Astra mk2 and Meteor type SFDR in development phase with longer ranges which could be thicker and longer than Mk1 as it will need more propellant and perfect candidates for this Seeker....
 

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But isn't the seeker in the poster is too wide,it says the diameter is 180mm,while the Astra missile itself is 178mm wide...
It can be used in Akash and many other
Platforms in future
Basically
Akash 1s and Astra use same Seeker
 

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There are many aspects of performance. I am not sure what sways IAF one way or the other. But Uttam is based on the Netra's radar and IAF loves the Netra!

 

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