India's Nuclear Weapons Program 1944-1999 : Full History Must Read !!!

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There is a considerable dissent about the yield of Shakti tests. This dissent six years back was fuelled by disgruntled scientists of BARC. They insisted that the Shakti tests was a failure. Read in between the lines resume testing.

BARC and GOI never consented to let outside party to given an opinion.

Do anybody in DFI readers have an opinion.
I do not have an opinion, but only possibilities as to why the dissent was made.
  • The yield was really low and the government was misinformed.
  • The yield was as stated, but scientists want to test newer designs, and want to scare the government to force it to give a go ahead for another round of tests.
  • The people who are making such claims are disgruntled.
 

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There is a considerable dissent about the yield of Shakti tests. This dissent six years back was fuelled by disgruntled scientists of BARC. They insisted that the Shakti tests was a failure. Read in between the lines resume testing.

BARC and GOI never consented to let outside party to given an opinion.

Do anybody in DFI readers have an opinion.
Pressure to sign CTBT was on. Shantakumar outburst made sure no government will. I think it was a ploy.
 

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There is a considerable dissent about the yield of Shakti tests. This dissent six years back was fuelled by disgruntled scientists of BARC. They insisted that the Shakti tests was a failure. Read in between the lines resume testing.

BARC and GOI never consented to let outside party to given an opinion.

Do anybody in DFI readers have an opinion.
The thermo nuclear weapon which india tested seemed to have yielded 25kt(as per many western country agencies) compared to 43Kt which india claims. But even 25kt is devastating in my opinion .

The only thing which confused me why didn't india do further test way back in 1998 when it was already sanctioned? Atleast we could have good no of test and confirmed the design.

Now the only option for india is to Stockpile as much as Uranium for say perhaps 10+ years wait till it grows in stature(economically) and then perform a nuclear test. else not we would be in serious danger of uranium raw material being denied which could lead to closure of all power generating nuclear reactors and billions of money along with it.
 

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The thermo nuclear weapon which india tested seemed to have yielded 25kt(as per many western country agencies) compared to 43Kt which india claims. But even 25kt is devastating in my opinion .

The only thing which confused me why didn't india do further test way back in 1998 when it was already sanctioned? Atleast we could have good no of test and confirmed the design.

Now the only option for india is to Stockpile as much as Uranium for say perhaps 10+ years wait till it grows in stature(economically) and then perform a nuclear test. else not we would be in serious danger of uranium raw material being denied which could lead to closure of all power generating nuclear reactors and billions of money along with it.

We have enough Pu & U to make 2000+ bombs
 

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We have enough Pu & U to make 2000+ bombs
No i talked about Uranium for power generation.What is the stock pile there? Our uranium mines can hardly supply two to three years of our Requirement given they are all mined in single go.
 

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No i talked about Uranium for power generation.What is the stock pile there? Our uranium mines can hardly supply two to three years of our Requirement given they are all mined in single go.
Welcome nuke deal. Uranium from Canada,Australia, Kazakastan, Niger etc etc :) Why do you think Pak keeps throwing tantrums [emoji23][emoji23]
 

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The yield was really low and the government was misinformed.
Anyone cheating your own government on such a significant issue could end up in jail.
The yield was as stated, but scientists want to test newer designs, and want to scare the government to force it to give a go ahead for another round of tests.
Highly unlikely! When you got thousands of scientists involved in a single project, it is really impossible to ask everyone to help you lying, not to mention there will be another group of scientists checking your result.
The people who are making such claims are disgruntled. /QUOTE]
The question is: are they telling the truth or making up a story?
 

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The only thing which confused me why didn't india do further test way back in 1998 when it was already sanctioned? Atleast we could have good no of test and confirmed the design.
Can't be quick enough. Your scientists will need months to analyse the failure and probably another couple of months (if not years) to get the new design ready. So the best your scientists can do is get the next test ready in 1999.
 
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/archi...utonium/ba56458d-442a-4560-b8f3-bfa72339c56c/

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India Storing Arms-Grade Plutonium




India has become the first developing country to begin stockpiling separated plutonium at a rate that would enable it to build about 20 atomic bombs a year if it decides to pursue a nuclear weapons program, according to U.S. and international sources.

The process of separating the plutonium from burned-up fuel produced by Indian atomic power plants is taking place at the Tarapur reprocessing facility near Bombay, which went into large-scale operation last November, according to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).

Previously, the plant only had been used to reprocess small amounts of spent fuel from research reactors.

According to IAEA officials, the separated plutonium is being kept in a storage room there where it will be held until Indian officials decide its use. Indian atomic energy officials said yesterday that the plutonium might fuel an experimental fast-breeder reactor, which itself would produce additional plutonium.

The significance of large-scale reprocessing in India, however, is that it marks the beginning of the era that has long worried nuclear nonproliferation experts--the time when nations without nuclear arsenals start accumulating sizable stockpiles of separated plutonium.

"There simply is no reason connected to their civilian power programs why any of these countries need to begin stockpiling separated plutonium in this decade," a U.S. government official said. "It makes no sense in an atomic power context at all." Until now, virtually all of the plutonium produced in atomic power plants in developing countries has remained part of the highly radioactive spent fuel.

The plutonium stored in this way in spent-fuel pools in several dozen countries is not easily accessible.

If a nation decided to use such plutonium to build nuclear weapons, it first would have to construct a reprocessing plant, which would take at least two years.

But if a country has a stockpile of separated plutonium, the temptation to build nuclear weapons in a time of crisis might increase greatly. A country that already had done weapons-design work might be able to fabricate separated plutonium into bombs in a matter of weeks, or perhaps days.

The fact that India is beginning to stockpile large amounts of separated plutonium is certain to increase apprehension in neighboring Pakistan, where U.S. analysts believe the governnment is attempting to develop a nuclear weapons capability.

India has stated that it does not plan to build nuclear weapons.

But the atomic device exploded by India in 1974 was made from plutonium. So if New Delhi decided in response to developments in Pakistan or for other reasons that it needed a nuclear arsenal, it presumably could turn a stockpile of separated plutonium into weapons in a relatively short time.

The spent fuel being run through the Tarapur reprocessing plant, located about half a mile from the U.S.-built Tarapur atomic power station, is from the Canadian-designed Rajasthan Atomic Power Plant 1, according to IAEA officials.

At the moment, two agency inspectors with a mandate to keep track of the plutonium and sound a warning if any is diverted for military use are observing the entire Tarapur reprocessing operation.

But agency inspectors will not be permitted to observe all of Tarapur's reprocessing runs in the months ahead, since India refuses to place the plant under full international safeguards. Only plutonium subject to international control because of specific agreements between India and foreign governments will be monitored.

The IAEA also has not decided whether to keep the separated plutonium for which it is responsible under "continuous inspection," or simply to check on it "perhaps every second week," officials said.

The Tarapur facility is designed to reprocess 100 tons of spent fuel annually, so if it operated at full capacity--highly unlikely since commercial reprocessing plants frequently encounter problems--it would be able to separate 135 to 150 kilograms of plutonium per year. (A kilogram equals 2.2 pounds.) Six to 8 kilograms of plutonium are needed for a nuclear weapon.

The ability to separate plutonium on this large a scale puts India far ahead of Pakistan, which has built but not yet begun to operate a much smaller reprocessing plant next to the Pakistan Institute for Nuclear Science and Technology on the outskirts of Islamabad.

It also puts India well ahead of countries such as Argentina and Brazil, which have laboratory-scale reprocessing facilities where years might be required to separate enough plutonium for a single nuclear weapon.

But Pakistan is trying to complete a reprocessing plant even larger than Tarapur from a French design; Argentina is building a reprocessing facility that could produce significant quantities of plutonium, and West Germany is helping Brazil design a plant.

The only non-nuclear weapons country other than India operating a commercial-size reprocessing plant and stockpiling large quantities of separated plutonium is Japan, which has a larger and far more advanced civilian atomic energy program than India.

It is estimated that Japan has 500 kilograms of separated plutonium stored at its Tokai reprocessing plant, according to U.S. sources. But Japan is operating a breeder that requires 180 kilograms of plutonium a year and has an atomic power research program that requires 145 more kilograms of plutonium per year.

India, by comparison, has said it ultimately will need 50 kilograms of plutonium to fuel a small experimental breeder reactor being built at Kalpakkam near Madras. Yet its reprocessing plant is capable of turning out much larger quantities of separated plutonium.

India has accumulated 260 to 270 tons of spent fuel at its two Rajasthan atomic reactors, according to U.S. sources. If it reprocesses all of this fuel, which would take at least three years, India would have 350 to 400 kilograms of separated plutonium, they said.

Beyond that, the General Electric-built atomic power plant at Tarapur has produced spent fuel estimated to contain 700 to 750 additional kilograms of plutonium, according to U.S. sources.

India legally is barred from reprocessing the fuel from the Tarapur atomic power station until at least 1993 under its original agreement with the United States and a follow-up agreement with France, which began supplying fuel for the Tarapur reactors last November.

The Tarapur reprocessing plant, however, originally was built to handle spent fuel of the type produced by the Tarapur power reactors as well as from the Rajasthan reactors, which use different technologies, and Indian officials continue to hint that they may reprocess the U.S. fuel at some point.

U.S. analysts say Indian technicians probably could convert the reprocessing plant from handling Rajasthan fuel to handling the different type of fuel from the Tarapur reactors in about two months.

Dr. Hans Gruemm, IAEA's deputy director general for safeguards, said in a telephone interview from Vienna that plutonium being separated at Tarapur is "under continuous inspection" by the IAEA. He said the agency was determining how to keep track of the stored plutonium after the current run.

He said that even when the Tarapur plant reprocesses spent fuel not subject to inspection, which would let India close the plant to agency inspectors, the agency will be entitled to monitor the plutonium under its supervision in the plant's storage room.

"Whether it will be continuous inspection is another question," Gruemm said. "Perhaps it will be every second week, though that is an example. It has not been decided."

He also said he saw no reason why India could not comingle plutonium under international controls and plutonium not subject to inspection in the same storage room. "In principle, it would be possible," he said.
 

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The thermo nuclear weapon which india tested seemed to have yielded 25kt(as per many western country agencies) compared to 43Kt which india claims. But even 25kt is devastating in my opinion .

The only thing which confused me why didn't india do further test way back in 1998 when it was already sanctioned? Atleast we could have good no of test and confirmed the design.

Now the only option for india is to Stockpile as much as Uranium for say perhaps 10+ years wait till it grows in stature(economically) and then perform a nuclear test. else not we would be in serious danger of uranium raw material being denied which could lead to closure of all power generating nuclear reactors and billions of money along with it.
The problem is the Americans comparing earthquake readings produced while nuclear blast . But the landscape properties hac to be taken into consideration also . With that calculations we would get the clear picture of our claims . Never the less we have to test our high quality yield thermo nuclear bomb and neutron bomb in near future at the end of Our PM's second term . We will be in a good position to face consequences
 

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The problem is the Americans comparing earthquake readings produced while nuclear blast . But the landscape properties hac to be taken into consideration also . With that calculations we would get the clear picture of our claims . Never the less we have to test our high quality yield thermo nuclear bomb and neutron bomb in near future at the end of Our PM's second term . We will be in a good position to face consequences
Believe me those american seismic reading are not accurate and as far as what happened in 1998 tests is that the Bomb was designed by BARC not DRDO but various groups were given the job to measure the tests as well as supercomputers were hooked up to gather data , at that time we were the third country in the world to have supercomputers not even china had it . Seismic tests are not the only way to measure bomb yield there is radionuclide test and other tests to measure yield , during 1998 tests DRDOs instruments digressed and failed to perform ( This is not the first time DRDOs instruments had failed ) but BARCs instruments was performing fine it was BARC that had actually created the bomb . DRDO who didn't design the bomb and whose instruments failed had wrong data but BARC and other labs got the correct data.
The DRDO guys raised a hue and cry in 2009 because they thought India was giving up on breeder reactor signing CTBT and putting bulk of our heavy water reactors under safeguards but nothing of that sort happened.
We have got everything and didn't give away anything .
 

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Believe me those american seismic reading are not accurate and as far as what happened in 1998 tests is that the Bomb was designed by BARC not DRDO but various groups were given the job to measure the tests as well as supercomputers were hooked up to gather data , at that time we were the third country in the world to have supercomputers not even china had it . Seismic tests are not the only way to measure bomb yield there is radionuclide test and other tests to measure yield , during 1998 tests DRDOs instruments digressed and failed to perform ( This is not the first time DRDOs instruments had failed ) but BARCs instruments was performing fine it was BARC that had actually created the bomb . DRDO who didn't design the bomb and whose instruments failed had wrong data but BARC and other labs got the correct data.
The DRDO guys raised a hue and cry in 2009 because they thought India was giving up on breeder reactor signing CTBT and putting bulk of our heavy water reactors under safeguards but nothing of that sort happened.
We have got everything and didn't give away anything .
Thanks - Very well put . We should sign any teat agreements until we tests Therm nuclear bombs and neutron bombs design. Only then we can sign
 

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Thanks - Very well put . We should sign any teat agreements until we tests Therm nuclear bombs and neutron bombs design. Only then we can sign
We are not signing anything until we get our full fledged thermonuclear warhead . We can design and have already designed 250 kt devices of staged fusion with our 1998 data but couple more tests are required for megatonne yield devices in the future .
Most of the job is already being done by supercomputers for different yield and blast envelop and warhead compactness . We are the world's largest producer of tritium and we we sold some of our tritium for US thermonuclear warheads which is used for boosting warheads and mixed U Pu device and staged fusion devices.
 

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Believe me those american seismic reading are not accurate and as far as what happened in 1998 tests is that the Bomb was designed by BARC not DRDO but various groups were given the job to measure the tests as well as supercomputers were hooked up to gather data , at that time we were the third country in the world to have supercomputers not even china had it .
Couldn't be wrong further, when China and French signed the CTBT in 1996, all P5 nations got their supercomputer ready in their nuclear bomb design, that is the only reason they signed it.

In the case of China, the first supercomputer Yinhe-1 was revealed publicly in 1983.

The date of each of them signing CTBT reflected the date of their model on supercomputer maturating. Many people believe that is also part of reason why India doesn't sign CTBT: her simulation model need further test.
 

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The newer designs will require further testing. Anyway India will never sign the CTBT as it stands.
 

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Couldn't be wrong further, when China and French signed the CTBT in 1996, all P5 nations got their supercomputer ready in their nuclear bomb design, that is the only reason they signed it.

In the case of China, the first supercomputer Yinhe-1 was revealed publicly in 1983.

The date of each of them signing CTBT reflected the date of their model on supercomputer maturating. Many people believe that is also part of reason why India doesn't sign CTBT: her simulation model need further test.
Yes China had Yinhe-1 revealed in 1983 i give you that but it was only 100 million flops per second and India had world's second fastest supercomputer of 5 Gigaflops by 1991.
Secondly China like US has signed CTBT but not ratified it and has not been sending any data to CTBTO in Vienna as far as 2013 so get off the moral high ground. I never said India can simulate full spectrum weapons but 5 to 6 designs upto 250 Kt which confirms our current deterrence not future deterrence . India has 4 stage thermonuclear designs of multi megatonne yield but those need hot testing before cold testing can begin which the p5 can do and India doesn't claim it can so stop panicking.
Even boosted warheads can be made of 750 kt no need for thermonuclear warhead which can be designed but lack of fissile material prevents us.
Our 3rd round of nuclear testing will begin after enough plutonium has been generated and after we have half a dozen breeder reactors and we are plutonium sufficient and our thorium reactors have started.
 

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Yes China had Yinhe-1 revealed in 1983 i give you that but it was only 100 million flops per second and India had world's second fastest supercomputer of 5 Gigaflops by 1991.
Secondly China like US has signed CTBT but not ratified it and has not been sending any data to CTBTO in Vienna as far as 2013 so get off the moral high ground. I never said India can simulate full spectrum weapons but 5 to 6 designs upto 250 Kt which confirms our current deterrence not future deterrence . India has 4 stage thermonuclear designs of multi megatonne yield but those need hot testing before cold testing can begin which the p5 can do and India doesn't claim it can so stop panicking.
Even boosted warheads can be made of 750 kt no need for thermonuclear warhead which can be designed but lack of fissile material prevents us.
Our 3rd round of nuclear testing will begin after enough plutonium has been generated and after we have half a dozen breeder reactors and we are plutonium sufficient and our thorium reactors have started.
Any more information about Thorium reactors? Is India the sole country to plan/operate thorium reactors? I read somewhere that given the new developments, India will stop development of Thorium rectors. This will make India dependent on Uranium imports, although India has very good Thorium deposits.
 

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Our 3rd round of nuclear testing will begin after enough plutonium has been generated and after we have half a dozen breeder reactors and we are plutonium sufficient and our thorium reactors have started.
With the current stock, we can do the testing. India will only conduct test, once the economy reaches close to 5-6 trillion nominal or there is a chance of greater conflict in the region.
 

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Any more information about Thorium reactors? Is India the sole country to plan/operate thorium reactors? I read somewhere that given the new developments, India will stop development of Thorium rectors. This will make India dependent on Uranium imports, although India has very good Thorium deposits.
No India is going fullscale with the thorium reactors but we need 3 to 4 breeder reactors in second stage before that , we are also experimenting with Molten salt reactors it is still in research stage . For thorium reactors to be operational it will take 15 years atleast .
 

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