India's largest naval destroyer INS VISAKHAPATNAM

Discussion in 'Indian Navy' started by SREEKAR, Apr 16, 2015.

  1. nongaddarliberal

    nongaddarliberal Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2016
    Messages:
    1,315
    Likes Received:
    3,188
    "Unlike most fleets, the Indians build ships not to release a couple of missiles over ruins in the desert."

    Good quote. The primary goal of the Indian navy is to take on other advanced navies (though one opponent won't be so advanced). For that role, 16 Brahmos missiles and 32 Barak 8 missiles are perfect. I don't see any scenario where the Indian navy will be unleashing hundreds of Nirbhay missiles at some city. But we should build bigger destroyers with longer range air defence systems and additional nirbhay missiles that won't compete for the same VLS space with Brahmos.
     
  2. shiphone

    shiphone Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 9, 2009
    Messages:
    1,859
    Likes Received:
    1,753
    normally the ships launched on the inclined building berth will have the bulb bow fitted in the Dry dock/on the floating dock after the launch...

    1508482876156.jpg 203_194295_502459.jpg
     
    Last edited: May 20, 2018
  3. undeadmyrmidon

    undeadmyrmidon Regular Member

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2017
    Messages:
    551
    Likes Received:
    859
    That's the bow mounted sonar.......................
     
  4. AUSTERLITZ

    AUSTERLITZ Regular Member

    Joined:
    May 25, 2013
    Messages:
    162
    Likes Received:
    333
    Location:
    India
    Undergunned disappointment.Expected atleast 48 baraks or maybe vls cells for nirbhay,but IN failed again.Are these -the best IN can muster supposed to fight type 55s?Right now andaman is our one great trump card,but IN needs to step up and increase payload of these ships.Brahmos and Barak are both great weapons,far better than anything chin has.But 32 is simply not enough.
     
  5. Chinmoy

    Chinmoy Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2015
    Messages:
    4,515
    Likes Received:
    6,260
    Capability of a platform doesn't depends on the number of weapon it carries, but on the capability of individual weapon it carries.

    32 barak 8 as of now could effectively engage 10 aerial threat simultaneously. 16 BRAHMOS are good enough to take out half of the surface ship of any CBG. Moreover these are modular in nature, which means it could be used simultaneously to launch Nirbhay. Nirbhay by the way is not yet completed.

    Moreover INS Visakhapatnam is designed to be a smaller and stealthy the the Type 55 class. And destroyers like these are not lone fighters.
     
  6. binayak95

    binayak95 Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2011
    Messages:
    1,271
    Likes Received:
    2,298
    Location:
    Cuttack, Orissa
    The IN's combat doctrine doesn't envisage ships fighting alone. They'll be part of surface action groups or CBGs. With submarines and shore based EW aircraft support.
    That means there will be enough radars and Barak 8 SAMs being coordinated by the Command ship to easily handle any saturation attack. And also means that there are enough Brahmos missiles to wipe oit any expeditionary force they can muster.

    As far as Nirbhay is concerned, you do know that it's a LACM. It's not meant to attack ships.
     
  7. AUSTERLITZ

    AUSTERLITZ Regular Member

    Joined:
    May 25, 2013
    Messages:
    162
    Likes Received:
    333
    Location:
    India
    Facepalm.I'm not a pakistani, fool.Type 55 is not just simply larger,its armament is extremely formidable.CBGs of new chinese carriers with type 55 and other heavy ships escorting it as well as PLAN subs will be a headache for IN in the next decade.We need to fortify andaman with brahmos batteries,and plan our defence around it when PLAN task force comes through narrow malacca chokepoint.
    Pakistan navy surface fleet is irrelevant,1 kolkata class can take care of it.But their subs are dangerous.
     
    Pinky Chaudhary likes this.
  8. AUSTERLITZ

    AUSTERLITZ Regular Member

    Joined:
    May 25, 2013
    Messages:
    162
    Likes Received:
    333
    Location:
    India
    I know nirbhay is a LACM,most heavy surface ships these days have some land attack capability.The ship is excellent otherwise ,but i don't have confidence in just 32 baraks for a protracted fight.You generally shoot 2-3 SAM missiles for a sureshot kill against an incoming enemy missile.At that rate of expenditure,how long do you think vishakapatnam can be effective befopre it runs empty in a saturation strike?Either we need to expand number of barak vlsto 48 or ideally 64,or we need to quadpack small range PDM like sea-ram for additional numbers against saturation attacks.
     
    Blood Rain likes this.
  9. binayak95

    binayak95 Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2011
    Messages:
    1,271
    Likes Received:
    2,298
    Location:
    Cuttack, Orissa
    It will never be one ship vs an enemy fleet. SIMPLE!
     
    undeadmyrmidon likes this.
  10. AUSTERLITZ

    AUSTERLITZ Regular Member

    Joined:
    May 25, 2013
    Messages:
    162
    Likes Received:
    333
    Location:
    India
    Yes,it will be enemy fleet vs our fleet.But if enemy ships have double our vls on each of those ships,we will be at a disadvantage.
     
    Blood Rain likes this.
  11. AUSTERLITZ

    AUSTERLITZ Regular Member

    Joined:
    May 25, 2013
    Messages:
    162
    Likes Received:
    333
    Location:
    India
    Land based air support and brahmos batteries from andaman and south india are our trump card no doubt,but is that an excuse for having 32 SAM vls on a 7000 tonne latest model ship?You decide.For me answer is no.
     
    nongaddarliberal likes this.
  12. undeadmyrmidon

    undeadmyrmidon Regular Member

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2017
    Messages:
    551
    Likes Received:
    859
    Like I said 32 more missiles when QRSAM is ready.
     
  13. itsme

    itsme Regular Member

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2010
    Messages:
    469
    Likes Received:
    700
    There are many empty spaces on the vessel, what me thinks is for adding additional VLS sometime in the near future.
     
  14. lcafanboy

    lcafanboy Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2013
    Messages:
    2,990
    Likes Received:
    8,168
    Location:
    bangalore
    Those empty space s are used during war time by adding vls. All IN ships have huge capabilities during war as all ships have empty spaces this is not disclosed.
     
  15. Steven Rogers

    Steven Rogers NaPakiRoaster Senior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2017
    Messages:
    1,030
    Likes Received:
    1,055
    Location:
    Sun
    THese ships are armed with minimal deterrence, India def budget is not big enough to fund a big navy, airforce and army.
     
  16. Kalki_2018

    Kalki_2018 Regular Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2017
    Messages:
    719
    Likes Received:
    1,195
    China doesn't have Aegis or anything remotely capable. IN know better than us.
     
    roytrivia_93 and Pinky Chaudhary like this.
  17. scatterStorm

    scatterStorm Regular Member

    Joined:
    May 28, 2016
    Messages:
    670
    Likes Received:
    891
    Location:
    India
    Aegis was brought to it's knees in Black Sea. The USS Donald Cook Incidence. There are two sides to it.

    1. EW was utilized by Russian jet.
    2. Aegis was shut down by American Crew to stop any snooping attempt by the jet.

    However, EW system in black sea are being tested by Russians. And the latter point can also be pretty much valid.
     
  18. undeadmyrmidon

    undeadmyrmidon Regular Member

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2017
    Messages:
    551
    Likes Received:
    859
    Hi shill, how's DFI compared to PDF?

    P.S: MF STAR has 3x3 sqft arrays which are Superior to 8 sqft arrays of AN/SPY 1D frigate version. It has a nearly 500 km instrumental range for a target of upto 5 sqm. Coupled with Barak 8 having 90 - 100km range Mach 3 protection against AShM 32 missiles are great for fleet defense.

    Another 32 QRSAM missiles will be added. The numbers of Barak 8 are small as that is not war loadout and it's better to be FFBNBW than be cocked up like the F 125 fiasco.
     
  19. undeadmyrmidon

    undeadmyrmidon Regular Member

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2017
    Messages:
    551
    Likes Received:
    859
    US will continue to dominate in radars. Upcoming AN/SPY 6 AESA will outperform AN/SPY 1D by 2 1/2 times for a target half the size.
     
  20. HariPrasad-1

    HariPrasad-1 Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2016
    Messages:
    4,754
    Likes Received:
    6,028
    Location:
    Gujarat
    Type 55 is no doubt larger but so far as armaments is concern, there is no significant change. In Indian ship, any new ship is much better than its predecessor. Radar is improving so as sonar. Now Indian ship has Decoy as well. New torpedo are coming and it is protected by best in the class LRSAM missile with 90 km range which can intercept bloody anything fired by enemy. So far as offensive power is concern, it is simply unmatched with Brahmos with 450 km range which is all set to increase its range to 600 km Followed by 800 km with increase in speed which is all set to touch Mach 8. Chinese armaments or protection systems simply can not match any of Indian system except perhaps the rapid fire gun. Its Radar, Weapon defense will remain inferior to Indian ships for any foreseeable future. What they will do is that they will increase the numbers of offensive and defensive weapons but they will not be able to match the technology of India.
     

Share This Page