India's First Manned Space Mission

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Re: After Mars mission, India plans manned moon mission

if they are willing to take the risk of launching a manned mission with unproved immature technology, it's possible.

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it is our worry, please dont lose your sleep on this..................................:taunt1:
 

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Re: After Mars mission, India plans manned moon mission

It took Chinese 7 years to send a man into space.
And then another 10 years to make it mature.
The most optimistic date for Chinese manned moon mission is 2025 while Chinese scientists have 2030 in mind.

Now, Indian think they can finish all these steps in just 16 years! Is that possible?
This thread is about jingoism. Forget manned Moon mission, Indian ain't sending a manned orbiter anytime soon.
 

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Re: After Mars mission, India plans manned moon mission

I think no has successfully sent a Manned mission to Moon other than USA so far,
There are many conspiracy theories on Amreekan Lunar mission !

10 Reasons the Moon Landings Could Be a Hoax - Listverse

HowStuffWorks "Why do some people believe the moon landings were a hoax?"

The Moon Landings Were Faked - Conspiracy Theories - TIME

Fake Moon Landings The moon landings are fake!

http://news.nationalgeographic.co.in/news/2009/07/photogalleries/apollo-moon-landing-hoax-pictures/

A question to all, if Amreekans could send a manned vehicle during 1960's era, why can't they send it now or why did they stop sending after that successful mission ? :confused: :noidea:
 

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There are many conspiracy theories on Amreekan Lunar mission !

10 Reasons the Moon Landings Could Be a Hoax - Listverse

HowStuffWorks "Why do some people believe the moon landings were a hoax?"

The Moon Landings Were Faked - Conspiracy Theories - TIME

Fake Moon Landings The moon landings are fake!

http://news.nationalgeographic.co.in/news/2009/07/photogalleries/apollo-moon-landing-hoax-pictures/

A question to all, if Amreekans could send a manned vehicle during 1960's era, why can't they send it now or why did they stop sending after that successful mission ? :confused: :noidea:
The technology used in the 1960s is outdated, if they are planning another manned moon mission, new technology needs to be developed and that takes time.

Another factor that restrains Americans from going back to the moon is money. Today no one could compete with Americans like the russians in the 1960, therefore no need for them to burn that kind of money.

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it is our worry, please dont lose your sleep on this..................................:taunt1:
i am merely stating the fact that it is risky to send a man to the surface of the moon without fully testing the technology you are using.

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Re: After Mars mission, India plans manned moon mission

The technology used in the 1960s is outdated, if they are planning another manned moon mission, new technology needs to be developed and that takes time.

Another factor that restrains Americans from going back to the moon is money. Today no one could compete with Americans like the russians in the 1960, therefore no need for them to burn that kind of money.
I might be incorrect however...

Money is the only factor ? I doubt that. With 60s outdated technology they could land a man on moon. What is actually stopping them now ?

If $$$ were the only criteria, why NASA is sending rockets to Mars and for other exploration tasks ?

If Americans could successfully execute Moon mission during cold war era, why USSR didn't do it ? They used to literally measure their d!cks during that era !

Do we need to believe that USSR space technology was far behind Amreekans pertaining only to Landing a Man on moon ?

Did Amreekans had to borrow Alien :alien: Tech from Aliens during 60s which enabled them to land a man on moon ? :noidea:
 
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Re: After Mars mission, India plans manned moon mission

i am merely stating the fact that it is risky to send a man to the surface of the moon without fully testing the technology you are using.

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Wont be bad idea to send some Pakis to space. They never went their.
 

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Re: After Mars mission, India plans manned moon mission

landing man on the moon is pure symbolism which may have been a competition on days of cold war but in the 21st century we should focus more on generating scientific data for research which can be better acheived by landing a rover on the moon which can stay there for a long time and conduct scientic experiments with high tech equiments on board- this is the objective of chandrayaan 2 mission.regarding manned moon mission i beleive it is patriotic jingoism and if it has to happen then isro should take its own time(as should not rush) and develop a much advanced fail safe mission than that of apollo11 so that crew safety during the flight is given maximum priority.
 

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Re: After Mars mission, India plans manned moon mission

I might be incorrect however...

Money is the only factor ? I doubt that. With 60s outdated technology they could land a man on moon. What is actually stopping them now ?
Still, Money!
If they just want to rebuild those rockets and equipments based 60s outdated technology, it will cost them billions dollars to rebuild those produciton lines because most of parts were no longer producing.

If $$$ were the only criteria, why NASA is sending rockets to Mars and for other exploration tasks ?
Because these exploration tasks are lot cheaper and more profitable.

If Americans could successfully execute Moon mission during cold war era, why USSR didn't do it ? They used to literally measure their d!cks during that era !
1. The money USA threw on moon mission was far beyond USSR's imagination: more than 25 billions which is consider more 100 billions of today's value.
2. USSR simply didn't have the technology to build the rocket engine of Saturn V at the time. They planned to use 25 smaller engines in first stage while Saturn used 5. This idea proved to be a disaster.
 

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Re: After Mars mission, India plans manned moon mission

Friends Neither GSLV MK2 nor GSLV MK3 can support a manned moon mission.For a manned moon mission we need a 20-25 tonne carrying vehicle which we don't have.

India is planning a ULV Vehicle which is in distant future.
GSLV MK3 has two solid fuel strap on boosters. I would not be surprised if we see future vehicles with more boosters attached for greater tonnage - don't think though that it will be enough for a manned mission to the moon.

I agree that you do need a specially designed launch vehicle to go to the moon. this is very expensive, and the big problem is that that launch vehicle would not be commercially useful for anything else. that's why the Saturn V was scrapped. and that's why no other country has attempted to return to the moon. I have my doubts that even China will go to the expense of building a special launch vehicle just for the purpose.

The challenge for all nations is to build a dual use launch vehicle that can also be used for commercial purposes. Then you will see the further colonisation of space.
 

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GSLV MK3 has two solid fuel strap on boosters. I would not be surprised if we see future vehicles with more boosters attached for greater tonnage - don't think though that it will be enough for a manned mission to the moon.

I agree that you do need a specially designed launch vehicle to go to the moon. this is very expensive, and the big problem is that that launch vehicle would not be commercially useful for anything else. that's why the Saturn V was scrapped. and that's why no other country has attempted to return to the moon. I have my doubts that even China will go to the expense of building a special launch vehicle just for the purpose.

The challenge for all nations is to build a dual use launch vehicle that can also be used for commercial purposes. Then you will see the further colonisation of space.
Exactly,The Americans built the Saturn V's primarily because they were in a pissing off contest with the Soviets.
 

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Friends Neither GSLV MK2 nor GSLV MK3 can support a manned moon mission.For a manned moon mission we need a 20-25 tonne carrying vehicle which we don't have.
 

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Nasa bets on private companies to exploit moon's resources
AFP | Feb 9, 2014, 12.10 PM IST

LINK: timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/science/Nasa-bets-on-private-companies-to-exploit-moons-resources/articleshow/30098650.cms

WASHINGTON: Nasa -- building on successful partnerships with private companies to resupply the International Space Station -- is now looking to private entrepreneurs to help exploit resources on the moon.

In its latest initiative, unveiled in late January, the US space agency is proposing private companies take advantage of Nasa's extensive know-how, its engineers and access to its installations to help design and build lunar robots.

But unlike Nasa's contracts with SpaceX and Orbital Sciences to deliver cargo to the ISS, the moon proposal -- dubbed CATALYST (Cargo Transportation and Landing by Soft Touchdown) -- would get no US government economic help.

Recent missions in the moon's orbit have revealed evidence of water and other interesting substances on the moon, explained Jason Crusan, director of Nasa's advanced exploration systems.

"But to understand the extent and accessibility of these resources, we need to reach the surface and explore up close."

"Commercial lunar landing capabilities could help prospect for and utilize these resources," permitting both commercial and research activities, he said.

"As Nasa pursues an ambitious plan for humans to explore an asteroid and Mars, US industry will create opportunities for Nasa to advance new technologies on the moon," Greg Williams, a top Nasa official, added.

In 2013 Nasa reached an agreement with Bigelow Aerospace to develop commercial sector involvement with the space agency, especially focused on plans to build a lunar base.

Founded by US billionaire Robert Bigelow, the company offers inflatable space modules.

These partnerships work "very well in lower orbit," said Bigelow's Michael Gold, referring to the re-supply contracts at the International Space Station.

"There is no reason it won't work just as well on the moon," he told AFP.

"Additionally, in this austere (budget) environment, it only makes sense to leverage private sector investments and capabilities," he said.

"It's not only the best option, but, because of the lack of federal money, the best option available to move forward drastically."

According to Gold, this approach is cheaper than a standard space mission fully paid by the federal government. For a few billion dollars it could even be possible to carry out manned missions to the Moon within a decade, Gold said.

"I think there is a great commercial potential on the moon," he added, citing significant reservers of helium 3, which is rare on Earth and which could be developed into a clean energy fuel ideal for nuclear fusion.

The lunar soil is also rich in coveted rare earth elements: 17 chemicals in the periodic table that are in an increased demand because they are heavily used in everyday electronics.

"There are a vast amount of opportunities for a wide variety of companies not only in America but across the globe," Gold insisted, emphasizing Europe and Japan, as well as the US Congress, are enthusiastic about a return to the moon.

John Logsdon, former director of the Space Policy Institute at George Washington University, said these private partnerships could be "a way of Nasa getting back involved with the moon without violating the president's policy that says we as a government we don't go back to the moon."

Logsdon was referring to Obama's 2010 decision to cancel the Constellation program -- created by his predecessor, George W. Bush -- which planed to return Americans to the moon by 2020 before embarking for Mars, but which was deemed too costly.

Nasa chief Charles Bolden said last year his agency would not take the lead on a manned lunar mission, but wouldn't rule out the possibility of participating in one led by a private company or another country.
Has ISRO taken note of it? :shocked:
 

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Re: After Mars mission, India plans manned moon mission

Today we have Americans with their ambitious plans of exploiting mineral resources of Moon, later we'll have China doing the same, followed by European Union, Russia, Japan etc.. Ultimately we'll have Territorial Disputes which will lead to space wars... We might even get to see Military operated space stations with interplanetary missiles, Planetary Missile defence systems and what not ... The age of Star Wars has finally begun, The Powerful, War mongering,USof A has started taking Baby Steps towards achieving its goal of Dominance over Space trade and travel.
 

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Re: After Mars mission, India plans manned moon mission

It took Chinese 7 years to send a man into space.
And then another 10 years to make it mature.
The most optimistic date for Chinese manned moon mission is 2025 while Chinese scientists have 2030 in mind.

Now, Indian think they can finish all these steps in just 16 years! Is that possible?
No its not possible because.......

Isro junks IAF's Moon mission claim

MUMBAI: As 2014 kicks in, Isro and the Indian Air Force are caught in a row over the Moon.An Isro statement on Tuesday, firmly denying IAF top medical brass' claims about a joint manned-Moon mission, raised many eyebrows.

The move comes after top officials of IAF's Institute of Aerospace Medicine (IAM) announced on December 27 in New Delhi that India was planning a manned mission to Moon, and that an MoU was recently signed between the IAF and Isro for the joint project.

On Sunday, Isro chairman K Radhakrishnan had told TOI that there was absolutely no truth in the statements made by two top IAF officials. "We have no plans of launching a manned mission to the Moon," he said.

Earlier on Friday, in an interview to a TV channel, DG of medical services Air Marshal D P Joshi had categorically said that the project was on the cards and the IAF will be selecting five Indians to undertake a mission to land on the Moon. Joshi had said that Isro, in fact, had tasked the IAF to prepare what is known as the air staff requirements for manned lunar landing. He said that prior to this landing, there will be an unmanned mission to the Moon with a rover between 2015 and 2016.

The Air Marshal added that the right type of equipment for choosing people for this ambitious mission had also been prepared at the Institute of Aerospace Medicine at Bangalore.

Joshi's colleague Air Marshal A K Behl, DGMS (Air), had told the channel: "The effort and work relating to the manned lunar mission has started and we are obtaining information from countries such as Russia and the US." He said the MoU between Isro and the IAF regarding the manned lunar mission was signed recently.

However, the space agency's statement, said, "Isro currently does not have any project on 'Man to Moon'. The scope of the MOU between Isro and IAM does not envisage recruitment of crew for Isro."

Speculation is rife that if this MoU was signed recently, then it could have been after Chang'e 3, China's first landing on the Moon on December 14, which has been described as a precursor to its manned lunar mission.

However, Isro officials told this newspaper that a manned mission to the Moon would call for huge arrangements. "The government has not even cleared our human spaceflight programme to the low Earth orbit. So, on what basis can the IAF even suggest a mammoth project like a manned landing on the Moon?" asked a space scientist.

But, his remarks have to be seen in the context of a statement made by Mylswamy Annadurai in 2009, who was then project director of Chandrayaan-1, that by 2020 India will be launching a manned mission to the Moon.
 

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ISRO unveils space capsule that will fly Indian astronauts

After its Mars mission, India now aims to puts humans into space. The first steps towards flying Indian astronauts into space could be taken in weeks.

The Indian astronaut capsule has been unveiled for the very first time. If all goes as per plan in the first experimental flight of India's latest monster rocket, the Geo-synchronous Satellite Launch Vehicle Mark III is likely to be tested as early as May or June from Sriharikota.



It could see this astronaut module being flown into space for the very first time, but in a sub-orbital flight. In its first test flight no crew or any animals are likely to be flown.

"Only re-entry technologies and flight dynamics will be tested and the capsule will be recovered 400-500 kilometers away from Port Blair in the Bay of Bengal," Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) chairman K Radhakrishnan told NDTV.

ISRO has been dreaming of putting an Indian into space using an Indian rocket launched from India soil. ISRO has sought funding worth Rs. 12,500 crores from the government for the program. It says once the approval comes, an Indian astronaut can be flown in a low Earth orbit in about seven years from the time the approval comes from the government.

When it happens, India's human space capsule could be sent on a seven day mission for two-three astronauts in a low Earth orbit of 300-400 kilometers above earth.

Till date only Russia, USA and China have successfully flown astronauts into space with the latest entrant being China in 2003.

The outer skeleton of Indian human space capsule has been fabricated by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), Bangalore and was handed over to ISRO which developed it. HAL says the first Crew Module will be further equipped with systems necessary for crew support, navigation, guidance and control systems by ISRO for experimentation in the forthcoming GSLV-MK3 launch.

"HAL takes pride in the India's space programmes and our Aerospace Division has produced this Crew Module in a record time to meet the requirements of ISRO", said Dr RK Tyagi, Chairman, HAL.

While the government has hesitated to clear a hefty bill of Rs. 12,500 crores as desired by ISRO for its human space flight program, but so that there are no delays in the development work the Indian government has already sanctioned Rs. 145 crores for the development of what it calls 'critical technologies'.

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/isro-unveils-space-capsule-that-will-fly-indian-astronauts-483605
 

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Well, I have to congratulate Indians for designing their own capsule instead of buying Russian Soyuz blueprints like Chinese did. It will probably help in long run because now they know how to design capsule from scratch and it's easier to build new better one when they go to explore space outside the earths orbit.

Hopefully ISRO doesn't walk into "shuttle trap" like Americans did after successful capsule flights.
 
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im sorry to say that the rubber deadlines for getting the manned mission off the ground
NOBODY is able to give a clear timeline for the project
and it is getting into obvious fudging and that sort of thing
i have come across dates for the project from 2016 through to 2019
now it looks like even 2019 may not be feasible
who is in charge - if anyone ?

bottom line is that the project is in shambles, mainly because of the previous leadership
especially as regards the ability to project timelines

Nevertheless I do respect the current Chief of ISRO - i think HE is doing his best, and i trust him
I hope he will help clean up the mess and get this project back on rational track
 
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