Indians most sympathetic towards Israel--says study

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Is not UAE THE friend in the region? It is the hub of Indian financial interest in the ME. Bilat trade is a dozen times higher than Israel. The amount of remittance coming out of UAE is in the billions, out of Israel nothing. International flights between UAE dwarf that to Israel.
UAE is one of our "friends" in that region not THE friend. UAE is a financial hub for many countries and not just India. Our trade with China is pretty close to that with UAE (~$25 billion a year) which is nowhere "dozens of times" more than that with Israel ($4 billion) and they are definitely not our friends. Our relations with Isarel have barely affected those with UAE. Remittances to India come from around the world not just UAE.

India appreciates Israeli acts of genocide? India never takes it so far nor should they. It is nothing to be proud of. Their high tech defence industry is just an extension of the US MIC.
What genocide are you talking about? Did they slaughter non-jews in droves, did they massacre three million of their own countrymen as in Bangaldesh, Sudan, erstwhile Soviet Union, China or Myanmar? The French did much worse than Israel during their colonial rule and it's pretty rich calling someone else genocidal.

If it is just business. UAE should be your ME BFF, not Israel.
It's business and strategic relations and we'll be the judge of where our interests are best served.
 

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When it comes to surveys, its important to see the entire study and who comissioned the study as that may influence the outcome. Also, western countries like France, UK and Germany have a wider coverage of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict than say China or India where many people are unaware of the core conflict issues, the positions of the parties involved and the actual positions on the ground.

India is in a unique position to have good relations with both the Israeli and Palestinian. However, currently its in no position to actually mediate between the two as the US heavily influences any outcome of the negotiations. But this has not prevented neutral countries to seek and discuss with Indian think tanks on the ME issue. For example, neutral countries like Norway, Switzerland and Qatar comissioned the Mumbai based Strategic Foreisight Group on a seminal "Cost of the Middle East Conflict" that was appreciated by everyone including the Israelis and the Palestinians.

Check out comments by important people on the report here , Preface and TOC of the study here and articles from various papers referring to the Indian based study here

I think Indians in general don't know the extensive goodwill that we have among the Arabs when it comes to the ME conflict apart from the goodwill we have with the Israelis.The principled position of the two state solution recognises both Israeli and Palestinians right to self-determination.


To get a better idea of the public opinion, here is a 2008 WorldPublicOpinion.Org survey. The link also provides access to the full report and methodology for those interested. In brief, most publics, including Americans oppose taking any side on the Israel-Palestinian conflict and support having a robust UN role in resolving it.

World Public Opinion on Israel-Palestinian Conflict
A new WorldPublicOpinion.org poll of 18 countries finds that in 14 of them people mostly say their government should not take sides in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Just three countries favor taking the Palestinian side (Egypt, Iran, and Turkey) and one is divided (India). No country favors taking Israel's side, including the United States, where 71 percent favor taking neither side.

Asked to evaluate how well a number of key actors are doing their part to resolve the conflict, none of them get good grades, including Israel, the Palestinians, the United States, and the Arab countries. On average across all the countries polled, none of the actors receives good grades from more than 3 in 10. Interestingly, Americans are divided as to whether the United States is doing its part.

Publics in most countries favor the United Nations offering to play a robust role in support of a resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Nearly all publics would favor the UN saying that, if the parties come to a peace agreement, the UN would send a peacekeeping force to enforce it. Most publics would also favor the UN offering to provide security guarantees to both Israel and the Arab countries should a peace agreement be reached.

"Publics around the world are not cheering for either side and want their governments to take an even-handed approach," said Steven Kull, director of WorldPublicOpinion.org. "All of the key actors are seen as failing to do their part to break the impasse and most want the UN Security Council to step in and offer peacekeeping forces and even security guarantees to help resolve the conflict."

The poll of 18,792 respondents was conducted between January 10 and May 6, 2008 by WorldPublicOpinion.org, a collaborative research project involving research centers from around the world and managed by the Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA) at the University of Maryland. Margins of error range from +/-2 to 4 percent.

Interviews were conducted in 18 countries, including most of the largest nations -China, India, the United States, Indonesia, Nigeria, and Russia--as well as Mexico, Peru, Britain, France, Spain, Azerbaijan, Ukraine, Egypt, Iran, Turkey, Thailand and South Korea. Not all questions were asked in all countries. In addition, most of the questions were asked in the Palestinian Territories. The nations included represent 60 percent of the world population.

Publics Support Even-Handed Approach to Conflict

Asked how their country should approach the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, 14 out of 18 publics preferred taking neither side. On average, 58 percent say that their country should not take either side, while just 20 percent favor siding with the Palestinians and 7 percent say that their country should take Israel's side.

In eight of the countries this was a large majority--seven in 10 or more--including Mexicans (88%), South Koreans (82%), Britons (79%), the French (79%), Peruvians (76%), the Chinese (74%), Americans (71%), and Ukrainians (69%).

Only in a few predominantly Muslim countries do most favor taking the side of the Palestinians. Robust majorities take this position in Egypt (86%) and Iran (63%), as does a modest plurality in Turkey (42% Palestinians' side, 38% neither side). However two other predominantly Muslim countries primarily favor taking neither side--Azerbaijan (54%) and Indonesia (43%).

In no country does a majority favor taking Israel's side. The largest percentages favoring taking Israel's side are Indians (24%), Americans (21%), and Nigerians (15%).

Negative Reviews of Israel, Palestinians, US, Arab Countries, Quartet

World publics give low marks to all the various parties who play a major role in trying to resolve the conflict. Respondents were asked to evaluate how well each party is "doing its part," in "the effort to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict." In nearly all cases publics give poor grades to Israel, the Palestinians, the United States, or the Arab countries.

Israel

Israel receives the worst ratings, with most saying they are not doing their part very well in 13 out of 15 countries asked. On average, 54 percent say it is not doing its part well (31% not very, 23% not at all) while just 22 percent say it is (5% very, 17% somewhat).

Negative ratings of Israel are not confined to predominantly Muslim publics--the largest majorities saying Israel is not doing its part well include Egypt (88%), South Korea (69%), Indonesia (66%), France (64%), the United States (59%), Azerbaijan (59%), Mexico (57%), and Great Britain (57%).

Only in India do more say that Israel is doing its part than do not (35% to 25%), while the Chinese are divided (41% to 39%).

In addition, the Palestinians were asked to evaluate Israel (though they are not included in the averages). Not surprisingly, 81 percent say that Israel is not doing its part well (61%, not at all well). Just 13 percent say that it is (4% very well).

Palestinians

Ratings of the Palestinians are not much better than those of Israel. In ten out of 15 countries most say they are not doing their part well to resolve the conflict. An average of 47 percent says they are not doing their part well, while just 28 percent say they are.

The largest majorities critical of Palestinian efforts are Americans (75%), South Koreans (74%), the French (66%), Mexicans (61%) and British (57%). Pluralities in Turkey (42%) and Azerbaijan (50%) also rate the Palestinians' efforts poorly, as do pluralities of Russians (41%), Ukrainians (34%), and Thais (33%), though many decline to offer an opinion.

Palestinians receive the most positive ratings from Egyptians (63%) and Nigerians (46%), though a significant number of Nigerians is also critical (43%) making the overall public divided. Pluralities in Indonesia (49%), China (40%), and India (34%) all say the Palestinians are doing their part at least somewhat well.

The Palestinians give themselves quite good ratings (again, they were excluded from the averages). Seventy-five percent say they are doing their part well (40%, very). However, 15 percent give them poor ratings (5%, not well at all).

United States

Asked to rate how well the United States is doing its part to resolve the conflict, 12 out of 15 nations say the United States is not doing its part well (excluding Americans but including Palestinians). On average, 59 percent rate US efforts poorly, while just 20 percent give positive ratings.

US efforts receive the most negative evaluations from Egyptians (86%), Mexicans (77%), the Palestinians (77%), the French (71%), South Koreans (70%), the Chinese (69%), and Turks (64%).

A majority of Nigerians (53%) says that the US is doing its part at least somewhat well. Indians are divided (33% well, 34% not well), as are Thais (27% well, 26% not well).

Interestingly, Americans themselves are divided. Only 44 percent say the United States is doing its part well (7%, very), while 46 percent say it is not (15%, not at all).

Arab Countries

Evaluations of the Arab countries are somewhat less negative than those of Israel or the US, with most in 11 out of 15 publics rating their efforts negatively (excluding the Egyptians). On average, a plurality among the nations polled (48%) says they are not doing their part well, while just 23 percent say they are.

Americans (78%) and South Koreans (76%) rate the Arab countries most negatively, followed by the French (69%). Majorities of the Palestinians (57%) and Turks (58%) also rate them negatively.

In just two countries a plurality gives a positive rating--Indonesia (50%) and China (40%). Two publics are divided: Nigeria and India.

The one Arab nation (other than the Palestinians) polled--Egypt--gives the Arab countries a positive evaluation. Seventy-one percent say the Arab countries are doing their part well (9%, very well), while just 29 percent say they are not.

The Quartet

The countries that are part of the "Quartet" were also polled on the performance of their country and of the European Union. The Quartet consists of the US, Russia, the UN, and the European Union.

The European Union's efforts were evaluated by France and Britain. The EU receives negative ratings from pluralities in both countries (France 48%, Britain 45%), and in both countries those giving positive ratings does not exceed one third (France 33%, Britain 31%).

The British also give their own country poor ratings. A plurality of 47 percent gives their government an unfavorable review while 33 percent give a positive review.

Russians are a bit more upbeat about their country's performance. While many do not provide an answer, a plurality of 36 percent give a positive evaluation while 17 percent give a negative one.

Widespread Support for Robust UN Role

Overall, there is strong support for the United Nations playing a robust role in the effort to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Very large numbers favor the United Nations contributing a peacekeeping force to enforce a peace agreement and substantial numbers favor the UN Security Council offering to provide security guarantees to Israel and the Arab countries.

Enforcement of Peace Agreement

In 16 of 17 countries polled, majorities or pluralities favor the UN Security Council offering--if Israel and the Palestinians come to a peace agreement--to send a peacekeeping force to enforce the agreement. On average, 67 percent favor such an approach, while just 20 percent oppose the idea.

Among all of the permanent members of the UN Security Council publics are supportive. In four countries this is by a robust majority--China (81%), France (74%), Great Britain (67%), and the United States (61%). Only in Russia is support limited to a plurality (47%), though few are opposed (25%).

Palestinians are strongly in favor of such an idea (63%), as are those in other predominantly Muslim countries--Turkey (65%), and Egypt (64%).

In addition, large majorities also favor this idea in Nigeria (89%), Indonesia (88%), South Korea (83%), Mexico (82%), and Azerbaijan (74%). Only Ukrainians are not in favor, but rather are divided (35% favor, 32% oppose) with a large number uncertain.

Providing Security Guarantees

Respondents were also asked about a much stronger possible commitment by the UN Security Council in the event of a peace agreement--committing to protect Israel if attacked by its Arab neighbors, and to protect Arab countries if attacked by Israel. Though such a commitment could prove costly, support was surprisingly high. Out of 16 nations, 11 favor such a UNSC commitment to protect Israel and 13 favor a commitment to protect Arab countries.

On average, 45 percent favor providing security guarantees to Israel (36% opposed), while 55 percent favor providing guarantees to Arab countries (24% opposed).

Ten countries favor the UN Security Council providing security guarantees to both Arab countries and Israel. This includes three of the permanent members of the Security Council. Very large majorities are supportive in China (84% for Arab countries, 80% for Israel), with more modest majorities in France (61% for Arab countries, 65% for Israel) and Great Britain (54% for Arab countries, 51% for Israel).

Other countries include Mexico (66% for Arab countries, 57% for Israel), Nigeria (67% for Arab countries, 61% for Israel), Azerbaijan (63% for Arab countries, 57% for Israel), and Turkey (50% for Arab countries, 43% for Israel). South Koreans support both proposed commitments equally (63% for the Arab countries, 65% for Israel), Indonesia has a large majority favoring protection of the Arab countries (71%), while a much smaller plurality (48%) favors the UNSC protecting Israel as well. Pluralities in Thailand are also favorable, though many appear to have an unformed opinion on the issue (for Arab countries 32% favor, 14% oppose; for Israel 31% favor, 16% oppose).

WPO_IsPal_Jul08_graph8.jpgThe other two permanent members of the UN Security Council--the United States and Russia--have less robust public support. A majority of Americans favor making a commitment to protect Israel (53% favor), but a plurality opposes protecting Arab countries (38% favor, 50% oppose). Russians oppose protecting Israel from an attack by its Arab neighbors by a slight margin (36% oppose, 28% favor) while a similar number oppose protecting Israel (34% to 27%). But large numbers of Russians do not take a position.

Only two publics where a majority favors protection of Arab countries do not also favor protecting Israel: Egyptians (82% Arab countries, 16% Israel) and the Palestinians themselves (75% Arab countries, 12% Israel).

Among Indians, a plurality favors protecting Arab countries (28% favor, 19% oppose), but they are divided on whether Israel should also receive protection from the UNSC (34% favor, 34% oppose).

Ukrainians, like Russians, have pluralities opposed to protecting Israel (39% oppose, 15% favor) and Arab countries (38% to 15%), with large numbers undecided.

 
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Is not UAE THE friend in the region? It is the hub of Indian financial interest in the ME. Bilat trade is a dozen times higher than Israel. The amount of remittance coming out of UAE is in the billions, out of Israel nothing. International flights between UAE dwarf that to Israel.


India appreciates Israeli acts of genocide? India never takes it so far nor should they. It is nothing to be proud of. Their high tech defence industry is just an extension of the US MIC.



If it is just business. UAE should be your ME BFF, not Israel.
Unfortunately, the problem that I feel Indians have with the UAE is where the UAE would put their support in a confrontation (not a war, but some sort of confrontation) with Pakistan, due to the group mentality shared by most (if not all!) Muslim nations.
 

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After careful study of the graph i have come to the conclusion that this Graph is very valuable. It shows that Indians have no clue where Israel is!!!

Probably they thought Indian Railways(IRW)! :india1:
 

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Actually, the graph shows that 23% take Palestinian side, 24% take Israel side and 22% take no side... That proves, in itself, that Indians are equally sympathetic towards both parties. Infact, all other countries seem to have taken one stand or the other. Only, India has stayed impartial.
 

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. Infact, all other countries seem to have taken one stand or the other. Only, India has stayed impartial.
22 abstained in India, 79 abstained in France... now that is impartial. Actually India is one of the more decided countries on the list.
 

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22 abstained in India, 79 abstained in France... now that is impartial. Actually India is one of the more decided countries on the list.
Well, impartial can be two ways. One way is that we dont take either side, the other way is support both. France is in the first category, India is in the second category. French support neither, Indians(on the whole) seem to support both. Some Indians support Israel, some support Palestine. But there is support for both while there is no support for either Israel or Palestine in France according to the graph.

Also, in France 89% is accounted for, while in India only 69% is accounted for. Then, the sample may reflect the ground situation in France, but I do not think the such samples can reflect the entire mood of India owing to the vast population and size of India. Most Indians would not know much about the middle-east conflict, much less take sides. So, the graph may be misleading in Indian context.
 

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Well, impartial can be two ways. One way is that we dont take either side, the other way is support both. France is in the first category, India is in the second category. French support neither, Indians(on the whole) seem to support both. Some Indians support Israel, some support Palestine. But there is support for both while there is no support for either Israel or Palestine in France according to the graph.
Impartial means not taking sides... Most of the Indians surveyed have taken a position.

Also, in France 89% is accounted for, while in India only 69% is accounted for. Then, the sample may reflect the ground situation in France, but I do not think the such samples can reflect the entire mood of India owing to the vast population and size of India. Most Indians would not know much about the middle-east conflict, much less take sides. So, the graph may be misleading in Indian context.
If they do not know about it, then it is irrelevant to forming an opinion.
 

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Impartial means not taking sides... Most of the Indians surveyed have taken a position.
Partial means being biased or favored towards on view. Impartial is being free from it. Collectively Indians can be seen as impartial. If half the group support one cause and the other half supports the other cause. Collectively, the group can be seen as impartial. The same can be said about India according to the graph.

If they do not know about it, then it is irrelevant to forming an opinion.
People form opinion based on their own prejudices. The facts may or may not be relevant towards forming an opinion. Anyway, I was pointing out that the graph may be giving a wrong impression of India based on a tiny sample.
 

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Partial means being biased or favored towards on view. Impartial is being free from it. Collectively Indians can be seen as impartial. If half the group support one cause and the other half supports the other cause. Collectively, the group can be seen as impartial. The same can be said about India according to the graph.
That would be called divided, not impartial.

People form opinion based on their own prejudices. The facts may or may not be relevant towards forming an opinion. Anyway, I was pointing out that the graph may be giving a wrong impression of India based on a tiny sample.
Can't form an opinion if you don't have a clue what the issue is. What do you think about the Palestine issue? Huh, is that some kind of food?? No clue about the methodology and I am not basing my opinions of a nation on a WorldPublicOpinion.org poll.
 

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Is not UAE THE friend in the region? It is the hub of Indian financial interest in the ME. Bilat trade is a dozen times higher than Israel. The amount of remittance coming out of UAE is in the billions, out of Israel nothing. International flights between UAE dwarf that to Israel.
I am surprised you ask this, buddy. By trade China is largest partner to India; are we friendly allies? UAE is a friend that also is a strong friend of our worst regional enemy-- it is of course their choice to be neutral and I don't say a no to that. But there is a strategic partnership between the two whereas our ties with UAE are more commercial and civic. On the other hand, our ties with Israel are based on shared concerns, mutual understanding of regional tensions and identifying common areas where both knowledge-based societies can contribute to help each other out.

The relationship didn't start because of a love for each other as it is in politics, but it eventually became a source of respect towards each other.

India appreciates Israeli acts of genocide? India never takes it so far nor should they. It is nothing to be proud of. Their high tech defence industry is just an extension of the US MIC.
What genocide? Do you have any idea how the Jews were massacred in Muslim countries? kicked out in droves? expelled and not even allowed to take their possessions? Israel today hosts numerous mosques whereas not a single Arab or Muslim country with a running government holds a synagogue. Don't give me Afghanistan's example since its government is only in Kabul in US protection I am talking about countries from Morocco to Pakistan. Does this look like a very liberal and tolerant society to you? What audacity do Palestinians have to make a personal dispute a religious one and twist an issue giving religion's colors? Israeli Arabs have much higher standard of life than their own Arab bedouin counter parts in Arab countries and yet these hypocrites don't come out to say against the Arabs who keep alleging Israelis for "genocide, homicide" and other such rubbish when Islamic countries are the most intolerant, fundamentalist and aggressive societies on this planet besides Communist strongholds like North Korea.

Same logic is for them with India. Their countries hardly have any temples of any kind with the exception of a couple of them like Oman and maybe UAE, while they keep taking Pakistani side and saying that India is intolerant to Muslims and other bullshit. If India was intolerant, we wouldn't see a single one of any other community in India. You want to believe a bunch of bigots like that?

Israelis have been threatened thousands of times to be wiped out and it is their right to do anything to continue their existence. Their neighbourhood isn't angelic exactly with a bloodthirsty and violent history that spans length and breadth of entire West to East Asia. There is nothing wrong in what Israelis are doing to protect their faith, culture and origins in their land which is historically theirs. If Indian government has a spark of empathy for our ancient way of life and concern for our people, it would learn a think or two from Israelis on how to tackle terrorist factories, expansionist aggressors and beggar illegal immigrants from our not-so-friendly neighbourhood.

For you, it is easy to sit and talk in a peaceful neighbourhood of calm and non-aggressive common-cultured, common-faith neighbourhood in Europe. If any EU or American country was in an environment like either India or Israel, they won't last a month, let alone exist, flourish and inspire the world.



If it is just business. UAE should be your ME BFF, not Israel.
UAE has become a friend in terms of burgeoning trade and we respect that. But this was only like how US when they both saw our rising economy. Israel and India have been cooperating against Jihad since cold war behind the scenes. Remittances come from all over the world and not just UAE. If you look at it, that's also a kind of business; manpower and work force for cost effective development of the country. "One pays the other and other works for him".

Besides, what makes you think our ties with Israel means its nothing for UAE? Its not a zero sum game. Our ties with Israel are on a different platform than with Arab countries. Simply because of geo-political truth of the latter identifying more with Pakistan than with us, while former identifying our condition similar to theirs. Nothing to be ashamed to accept.

Israel was the ONLY middle eastern country that supported us despite the sanctions of most of the world after 1998 nuclear testing .. and the third country after Russia and France which we respect. Israel again promptly rose on many occasions to provide us fast weapon substitutes with good tech when USSR collapsed and was not in a position while the Western equipment (READ USA here) were sanction prone and not accessible to us.

Yes I agree that arms is pure business. But you have to admit that so many instances of rising up cannot be simply termed as business and has a bit of strategic partnership thinking and a sense of empathy being there vis a vis jihadic terrorism and a threat that often has common financial backing.
 

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That would be called divided, not impartial.
Alright, whichever you prefer. But the bottomline is same. The Indians collectively are not tilted towards any party.

Can't form an opinion if you don't have a clue what the issue is. What do you think about the Palestine issue? Huh, is that some kind of food?? No clue about the methodology and I am not basing my opinions of a nation on a WorldPublicOpinion.org poll.
The surveyor asks, " what do you think about Israel-Palestine conflict?". Now, if the person knows about it, then he gives one answer or the other depending on his bias. If he does not know he says he is not aware of it. The surveyor gives him some bulletins about the issue like muslim-jew angle, historicity angle, israel view, palestine view..etc. After that the person chooses a side or stays neutral.

Now, the answers depend on the sample. I am saying whatever sample one may choose, they cannot accurately reflect the mood of a nation as large, diverse, and populated as India.
 

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the answers depend on the sample. I am saying whatever sample one may choose, they cannot accurately reflect the mood of a nation as large, diverse, and populated as India.
I second that. No conclusions should be drawn like that, at least not in India.
We don't always give a clear mandate for even our own government, Israelis or Palestinians are way long shots.

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well may be because we are only country in the world who care for our citizen and are constanly under some attack
 

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I am surprised you ask this, buddy. By trade China is largest partner to India; are we friendly allies? UAE is a friend that also is a strong friend of our worst regional enemy-- it is of course their choice to be neutral and I don't say a no to that. But there is a strategic partnership between the two whereas our ties with UAE are more commercial and civic. On the other hand, our ties with Israel are based on shared concerns, mutual understanding of regional tensions and identifying common areas where both knowledge-based societies can contribute to help each other out.
Do UAE's ties to Pakistan hurt India in any way? UAE has far more business with India and they don't really have the capacity to make a difference in "security concerns" considering they don't have an arms industry. They are neutral on India-Pakistan which is all that should really concern South Asia.

The relationship didn't start because of a love for each other as it is in politics, but it eventually became a source of respect towards each other.
India was one of the last nations to recognise Israel until 1992. Then Islamic terrorism became an issue and suddenly to become buddies? Not like every major Western nation doesn't have to deal with it.

What genocide? Do you have any idea how the Jews were massacred in Muslim countries? kicked out in droves? expelled and not even allowed to take their possessions? Israel today hosts numerous mosques whereas not a single Arab or Muslim country with a running government holds a synagogue. Don't give me Afghanistan's example since its government is only in Kabul in US protection I am talking about countries from Morocco to Pakistan. Does this look like a very liberal and tolerant society to you? What audacity do Palestinians have to make a personal dispute a religious one and twist an issue giving religion's colors? Israeli Arabs have much higher standard of life than their own Arab bedouin counter parts in Arab countries and yet these hypocrites don't come out to say against the Arabs who keep alleging Israelis for "genocide, homicide" and other such rubbish when Islamic countries are the most intolerant, fundamentalist and aggressive societies on this planet besides Communist strongholds like North Korea.


Genocide of 1,500 killed, 5,000 wounded, destruction of schools, power plants and water facilties all for the abduction of 1 private and a few homemade rockets.

How many Jews were kicked out of Muslim countries? How many slaughtered? I think you mean Palestinians being kicked off their land and forced into refugee camps. Even Iran has synagogues. It was the Zionists who decided to leave for Israel, not Muslims kicking them out. Bedouins in SKA live better lives than Israeli Arabs so don't know where that came from. Most of them don't ride camels anymore you know? Who made the issue religious? It was the Zionists who wanted a Jewish state for JEWS. Not Palestinians wanting a Palestinian state for Muslims. Try Aliyah to Israel without being of the Jewish faith, not going to happen unless you lie.

Same logic is for them with India. Their countries hardly have any temples of any kind with the exception of a couple of them like Oman and maybe UAE, while they keep taking Pakistani side and saying that India is intolerant to Muslims and other bullshit. If India was intolerant, we wouldn't see a single one of any other community in India. You want to believe a bunch of bigots like that?
I don't recall any fatwas, the royal family or the National Council condemning India for its actions against Muslims coming out of UAE. If they condemn Israel, it is well deserved.

Israelis have been threatened thousands of times to be wiped out and it is their right to do anything to continue their existence. Their neighbourhood isn't angelic exactly with a bloodthirsty and violent history that spans length and breadth of entire West to East Asia. There is nothing wrong in what Israelis are doing to protect their faith, culture and origins in their land which is historically theirs. If Indian government has a spark of empathy for our ancient way of life and concern for our people, it would learn a think or two from Israelis on how to tackle terrorist factories, expansionist aggressors and beggar illegal immigrants from our not-so-friendly neighbourhood.
You make Israelis sound like a bunch of victims. It wasn't so long ago that the founding parties of modern Israel were listed as terrorist organisations. Israel is constantly threatened because they are constantly colonising more land. The local inhabitants didn't ask for all these colonists much less losing their homes. Half the population of Palestine was driven out in the name of a religious birth-rite.

As far as Israel being historically theirs... Israelis are Canaanites. They are the SAME people so their really isn't much to fight about accept religion. The Jews coming back after mixing with Europeans for hundreds of years are anything but what they used to be. The Portuguese came to India and set up a colony, India kicked them out. Why is that any different than what the Arabs are trying to do?

For you, it is easy to sit and talk in a peaceful neighbourhood of calm and non-aggressive common-cultured, common-faith neighbourhood in Europe. If any EU or American country was in an environment like either India or Israel, they won't last a month, let alone exist, flourish and inspire the world.
So India is an island among hostiles now? You didn't colonise India, you were already there and you kicked out the occupiers. Seems to me you would have more in common with Palestinians.

UAE has become a friend in terms of burgeoning trade and we respect that. But this was only like how US when they both saw our rising economy. Israel and India have been cooperating against Jihad since cold war behind the scenes. Remittances come from all over the world and not just UAE. If you look at it, that's also a kind of business; manpower and work force for cost effective development of the country. "One pays the other and other works for him".
UAE employs the largest number of expatriate Indians in the world. They are not high educated either.

Besides, what makes you think our ties with Israel means its nothing for UAE? Its not a zero sum game. Our ties with Israel are on a different platform than with Arab countries. Simply because of geo-political truth of the latter identifying more with Pakistan than with us, while former identifying our condition similar to theirs. Nothing to be ashamed to accept.
They are on a different level because UAE are Muslims just like Pakistanis. You have the 2nd largest Muslim population in the world yet you still have problems with the religion. That isn't right.

Israel was the ONLY middle eastern country that supported us despite the sanctions of most of the world after 1998 nuclear testing .. and the third country after Russia and France which we respect. Israel again promptly rose on many occasions to provide us fast weapon substitutes with good tech when USSR collapsed and was not in a position while the Western equipment (READ USA here) were sanction prone and not accessible to us.
What other country in the ME was going to provide you high-tech weapons? Arabs can't even make a car engine without license production. I don't know what you expect from them or for them, but Arabs have their own problems to deal with to care about India-Pakistan troubles. If you put Kashmir on a list of 100 Arab top concerns, it will rank 101.

Yes I agree that arms is pure business. But you have to admit that so many instances of rising up cannot be simply termed as business and has a bit of strategic partnership thinking and a sense of empathy being there vis a vis jihadic terrorism and a threat that often has common financial backing.
Hell man, we all face jihadi terrorism. Even Pakistan faces it more than any other because they create it. That is a lame excuse to form strategic partnerships. Don't know how Israel can help fight its financial backing when they don't use Israeli banks.
 

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Wonderful post Armand2REP :yo: :yo:

Took the words out of my mouth....i agree fully with you except your last two lines! pakistanis aren't victims of terror....there govt literally created it themselves with some financial backing from uncle sam.
 

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UAE's ties with Pak do hurt India directly and indirectly. Pak gets freebies and the money saved on these is used against India. Knowing it fully well, UAE, China and US support Pak to the detriment of India.

Then UAE is the economic root of many maddrassas in sub-continent that churn out jehadis who are foot-soldiers of terror industry.
 

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Do UAE's ties to Pakistan hurt India in any way? UAE has far more business with India and they don't really have the capacity to make a difference in "security concerns" considering they don't have an arms industry. They are neutral on India-Pakistan which is all that should really concern South Asia.
Is it so or i no more understand what neutral means,agreed that Indians are living there but its mostly because Arab wankers are too proud to drive taxis,work in construction or because they do not possess the necessary talent that Indians do offer. As to UAE neutral stand on Indo-Pak issue i have to disagree because their officials believe that according to the cable of wikileaks that "UAE's security officials believed that India along with Iran had supported the Pakistani Taliban and Pushtun separatists, even as US suggested that UAE was a source of funding for the militants,

http://www.dnaindia.com/world/repor...a-supported-pakistan-taliban-pashtuns_1477347

For those who might forgotten UAE was the financial and political supporter of the fundamentalist taliban rule of Afghanistan oh it gives me some bad memoirs Kandahar incident etcc

India was one of the last nations to recognise Israel until 1992. Then Islamic terrorism became an issue and suddenly to become buddies? Not like every major Western nation doesn't have to deal with it.
India recognised Israel as a state since 1950 but there was no formal diplomatic relations as such.


Genocide of 1,500 killed, 5,000 wounded, destruction of schools, power plants and water facilties all for the abduction of 1 private and a few homemade rockets.
How many Jews were kicked out of Muslim countries? How many slaughtered? I think you mean Palestinians being kicked off their land and forced into refugee camps. Even Iran has synagogues. It was the Zionists who decided to leave for Israel, not Muslims kicking them out. Bedouins in SKA live better lives than Israeli Arabs so don't know where that came from. Most of them don't ride camels anymore you know? Who made the issue religious? It was the Zionists who wanted a Jewish state for JEWS. Not Palestinians wanting a Palestinian state for Muslims. Try Aliyah to Israel without being of the Jewish faith, not going to happen unless you lie.
Zionist this or that,you sound like Zaid Hamid,fact is now Israel is here and the best solution is to have a Palestinian state as per 1967 roadmap unless you are one of those who advocate that its time to teach Jews a lesson?

I don't recall any fatwas, the royal family or the National Council condemning India for its actions against Muslims coming out of UAE. If they condemn Israel, it is well deserved.
Oh you are a staunch anti israeli so if Israel kicks it enemies good for them


You make Israelis sound like a bunch of victims. It wasn't so long ago that the founding parties of modern Israel were listed as terrorist organisations. Israel is constantly threatened because they are constantly colonising more land. The local inhabitants didn't ask for all these colonists much less losing their homes. Half the population of Palestine was driven out in the name of a religious birth-rite.
It all sounds as if Palestinian are non violence people led by a peaceful Mahatma Gandhi fighting for independence

As far as Israel being historically theirs... Israelis are Canaanites. They are the SAME people so their really isn't much to fight about accept religion. The Jews coming back after mixing with Europeans for hundreds of years are anything but what they used to be. The Portuguese came to India and set up a colony, India kicked them out. Why is that any different than what the Arabs are trying to do?
hmm so this means they historically belong to that land isn't it??

So India is an island among hostiles now? You didn't colonise India, you were already there and you kicked out the occupiers. Seems to me you would have more in common with Palestinians.
So a belligerent China and a fundamentalist Pakistan is no threat to India? The best part was that even if we did not colonise India many were still kicked and it lost 1/3 of its territory.

What other country in the ME was going to provide you high-tech weapons? Arabs can't even make a car engine without license production. I don't know what you expect from them or for them, but Arabs have their own problems to deal with to care about India-Pakistan troubles. If you put Kashmir on a list of 100 Arab top concerns, it will rank 101.
1-Iran slams killing of Kashmir Muslims
2-OIC also said the same thing

It might be shrugged off a on and off political stunt but we can't forget that the "freedom fighters" have sympathy in these areas.

Hell man, we all face jihadi terrorism. Even Pakistan faces it more than any other because they create it. That is a lame excuse to form strategic partnerships. Don't know how Israel can help fight its financial backing when they don't use Israeli banks.
Pakistan is reaping what it has sown and i don't feel the need to shed tears for the great purist.Strategic partnership is futile what!!!
To learn from Israelis how they kill terrorist is not important?
The fact they sold ammo,intelligence to India during Kargil which helped save the day is not important?
 

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Well, I had a detailed answer citing plenty of examples but my response timed out and lost. Let me see to condense my answer.

A) Jews are Asheknazi living in Europe for the last 1000 years, they are intermingled so much they look and live like Europeans they come from. That is why they have no birth-rite to Palestine.
B) UAE blames Iran and India for Taliban, US blames UAE for Taliban. They must be talking about private donations because none of the governments support them, especially Iran. They hate the Taliban more than anybody. UAE stopped supporting Taliban immediately after 9/11 and demanded OBL handed over. Kandahar incident was Pakistani Mujihadeen over some BS with Kashmir.
C) Zaid Hamid is CIA/Mossad conspiracy guy... I don't roll that way. The things Israel is doing is against human rights:

1) Intercepting aid ship in international waters (killing 7)
2) Invading Gaza and Lebanon over a few casualties and they inflict thousands, destroy power, water, highways and schools. Use white phosphorus and cluster artillery shells in densely populated areas
3) West Bank is a vritual police state
4) Gaza is under blockade

End result is clear Israel doesn't care about human rights or conditions for the Palestinians

D) Zionism, Zionist is the proper term when referring to colonial aspirations of Jews to Palestine.
E) I am certainly not anti-Israeli as I am lock step with the liberal parties. It is right coalition that screws things up.
F) Iranians are insulted when you lump them with Arab views
G) OIC did it, so did UN
H) Indian Muslims have stronger feelings than Arabs on Kashmir. No consensus in India yet have a problem with UAE unspoken position?
I) Kargil, France maintained all supply contracts during the war with India while we canceled those with Pakistan. Told Pak minister to get his ass back behind the LoC too. If you wanted to buy more weapons you should have asked. Go to Israel first to add to French made planes when we would sell better, just wrong. Israel contribution saved the day... they didn't contribute jack. India paid for what it got.
 
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