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Ray, your view is weird, nobody care about what's Chinese News use.
Chinese care about if Indian will buy a lot in Shanghai.
Chinese are greedy , need money.
Indian will not exercise with Chinese, they must save the time for shopping
Chinese care about if Indian will buy a lot in Shanghai.
Chinese are greedy , need money.
Indian will not exercise with Chinese, they must save the time for shopping
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In South China Sea, a surprise Chinese escort for Indian ships
The Hindu : News / National : In South China Sea, a surprise Chinese escort for Indian ships
Building navy-to-navy ties is the focus of the Shanghai stop
When four Indian naval ships left the Philippines earlier this month headed for South Korea, they received an unexpected message.
"Welcome to the South China Sea, Foxtrot-47," buzzed a People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) frigate to the INS Shivalik (F47).
For the next 12 hours, the Chinese warship would provide an unscheduled escort to the four Indian vessels. The PLAN frigate was aware that the four ships were also going to visit Shanghai later in the month during their month-long tour; yet that they insisted on providing an escort through what India and other countries view as international waters underscored for officials how Beijing increasingly views one of the world's most important waterways.
"The tone of the message was welcoming, but was also as though we were entering Chinese waters," said an official who did not want to be named. The Chinese ship left the Shivalik's side after 12 hours, revealing that it had been instructed to move away by the PLAN.
After port calls in Singapore, Vietnam, the Philippines, South Korea and Japan, the four Indian Navy ships arrived here on Wednesday, berthing in the famous Shanghai harbour under the shadow of the distinct skyline of Pudong, the financial district.
The month-long travels of the four ships, led by the indigenously built guided missile stealth frigate Shivalik, have reflected India's increasing interest in protecting its maritime interests in the Asia-Pacific, coming amid rising tensions between China and many of its neighbours over the disputed waters and islands of the South China Sea.
Delayed policy
"India's Look East policy was delayed for many years," acknowledged Vice-Admiral Anil Chopra, Flag Officer Commanding in Chief of the Eastern Naval Command, who came in from India for the port calls in China and Japan, signalling the particular importance of the two countries.
"We were not here extending our hand of friendship to all the nations, so some years ago we consciously decided that we must participate and cooperate more with all nations to the east of India," he said, describing the visit as "an attempt to bring peace and stability to the region to our east."
Building navy-to-navy ties with China is the focus of the Shanghai stop, which, officials said, marked the biggest-ever such exercise with China. Two ships from the eastern fleet visited the northern port of Qingdao in 2007, but officials viewed the stop in Shanghai, China's most important port city, as being of greater significance.
Both countries will this year hold a first-ever maritime dialogue, and have also stepped up coordination in joint anti-piracy exercises in the Gulf of Aden in the Indian Ocean. But renewed tensions in the South China Sea, where Chinese ships are in a stand-off with the Philippines at the Scarborough Shoal and have had run-ins with Vietnamese vessels, have emerged as a new challenge with competing interests over a crucial international waterway.
With the naval ships making ports of call in Vietnam and the Philippines — two countries with which China has had recent strains — the Vice-Admiral stressed that India's "relationships are not at the cost of anybody else" and that there were no "specific reasons" for the port calls. India supported "freedom of navigation in all waters in the seven seas," he said, and believed bilateral issues between nations "should be resolved peacefully as per international law and international maritime law."
Over four days, he will have talks with the head of the Chinese eastern fleet and the Shanghai garrison. "It is only by exchange and interaction with each other will we be able to get more cooperation, more trust, more friendship between the two nations and their navies," he said, adding India welcomed more Chinese vessels to make visits this year following last month's port of call by the PLAN's Zheng He in Kochi.
New carrier next year
Asked by a Chinese journalist about on-going trials of the new aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya and whether it would be deployed in the Asia-Pacific, the Vice-Admiral said the new carrier "will come by next year." "For an aircraft carrier, by virtue of its capability, it does not matter at which side it is based because it has a long freedom of action and it can be deployed in any place," he said.
Rear Admiral P. Ajit Kumar, Flag Officers Commanding Eastern Fleet (FOCEF), who led the four ships, hoped four days of interactions would be "fruitful" and he had been received warmly by the PLAN. "Interactions will enhance mutual understanding and friendship," PLAN Rear Admiral Shen Hao told him. "You being here is a friendly statement."
The Hindu : News / National : In South China Sea, a surprise Chinese escort for Indian ships
Building navy-to-navy ties is the focus of the Shanghai stop
When four Indian naval ships left the Philippines earlier this month headed for South Korea, they received an unexpected message.
"Welcome to the South China Sea, Foxtrot-47," buzzed a People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) frigate to the INS Shivalik (F47).
For the next 12 hours, the Chinese warship would provide an unscheduled escort to the four Indian vessels. The PLAN frigate was aware that the four ships were also going to visit Shanghai later in the month during their month-long tour; yet that they insisted on providing an escort through what India and other countries view as international waters underscored for officials how Beijing increasingly views one of the world's most important waterways.
"The tone of the message was welcoming, but was also as though we were entering Chinese waters," said an official who did not want to be named. The Chinese ship left the Shivalik's side after 12 hours, revealing that it had been instructed to move away by the PLAN.
After port calls in Singapore, Vietnam, the Philippines, South Korea and Japan, the four Indian Navy ships arrived here on Wednesday, berthing in the famous Shanghai harbour under the shadow of the distinct skyline of Pudong, the financial district.
The month-long travels of the four ships, led by the indigenously built guided missile stealth frigate Shivalik, have reflected India's increasing interest in protecting its maritime interests in the Asia-Pacific, coming amid rising tensions between China and many of its neighbours over the disputed waters and islands of the South China Sea.
Delayed policy
"India's Look East policy was delayed for many years," acknowledged Vice-Admiral Anil Chopra, Flag Officer Commanding in Chief of the Eastern Naval Command, who came in from India for the port calls in China and Japan, signalling the particular importance of the two countries.
"We were not here extending our hand of friendship to all the nations, so some years ago we consciously decided that we must participate and cooperate more with all nations to the east of India," he said, describing the visit as "an attempt to bring peace and stability to the region to our east."
Building navy-to-navy ties with China is the focus of the Shanghai stop, which, officials said, marked the biggest-ever such exercise with China. Two ships from the eastern fleet visited the northern port of Qingdao in 2007, but officials viewed the stop in Shanghai, China's most important port city, as being of greater significance.
Both countries will this year hold a first-ever maritime dialogue, and have also stepped up coordination in joint anti-piracy exercises in the Gulf of Aden in the Indian Ocean. But renewed tensions in the South China Sea, where Chinese ships are in a stand-off with the Philippines at the Scarborough Shoal and have had run-ins with Vietnamese vessels, have emerged as a new challenge with competing interests over a crucial international waterway.
With the naval ships making ports of call in Vietnam and the Philippines — two countries with which China has had recent strains — the Vice-Admiral stressed that India's "relationships are not at the cost of anybody else" and that there were no "specific reasons" for the port calls. India supported "freedom of navigation in all waters in the seven seas," he said, and believed bilateral issues between nations "should be resolved peacefully as per international law and international maritime law."
Over four days, he will have talks with the head of the Chinese eastern fleet and the Shanghai garrison. "It is only by exchange and interaction with each other will we be able to get more cooperation, more trust, more friendship between the two nations and their navies," he said, adding India welcomed more Chinese vessels to make visits this year following last month's port of call by the PLAN's Zheng He in Kochi.
New carrier next year
Asked by a Chinese journalist about on-going trials of the new aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya and whether it would be deployed in the Asia-Pacific, the Vice-Admiral said the new carrier "will come by next year." "For an aircraft carrier, by virtue of its capability, it does not matter at which side it is based because it has a long freedom of action and it can be deployed in any place," he said.
Rear Admiral P. Ajit Kumar, Flag Officers Commanding Eastern Fleet (FOCEF), who led the four ships, hoped four days of interactions would be "fruitful" and he had been received warmly by the PLAN. "Interactions will enhance mutual understanding and friendship," PLAN Rear Admiral Shen Hao told him. "You being here is a friendly statement."
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Four Indian Naval Warships finally "invades" China
Four Indian Naval Warships finally "invades" China
Beijing: Four Indian naval warships, on a first in six years goodwill tour to China, docked at the Shanghai port on Wednesday to a warm reception by the Chinese navy, as the two forces work to overcome mistrust and warm up for maritime cooperation.
Rana -- a Rajput class guided missile destroyer, Shivalik -- a stealth frigate; Karmuk -- a Kora class Corvettes and INS Shakti -- a fleet tanker, comprising of over 1000 sailors and officers arrived at the picturesque Bund in Shanghai to the accomplishments of Chinese naval bands.
Chinese naval officials headed by Rear Admiral, Shen Hao, Commander of the Shanghai Maritime garrison welcomed the ships and the crew.
Marking the significance of the occasion, Vice Admiral Anil Chopra, Chief of Indian Navy's Eastern Command along with Indian Ambassador, S Jaishankar were present to greet the Chinese naval officials.Much to the delight of the Indian officials, a large contingent of the Chinese media turned up to cover the event and the press interaction that followed. A press brief issued by the Indian embassy about the interaction with Chinese media today said the Indian officials highlighted India's "Look East Policy" stating that it underscores the importance India attaches to enhancing relations with East and South East Asian countries.
"It is with the hope of strengthening military ties with the countries of the strategically important region that the four ships under the command of Read Admiral Ajit Kumar, Flag Officer Commanding Eastern Fleet, were presently deployed in the South and East China Sea," the note said.
The ships which started their deployment in early May will continue till June 12 with port calls at Singapore, Vietnam, Philippines, South Korea, Japan and China. The Chinese journalists "bombarded" Vice Admiral Chopra and Jaishankar with questions about India's stand on the ongoing row between Philippines and China over the disputed islands in South China Sea, the emerging India-Japan defence cooperation, India's acquisition of new aircraft carrier, INS Vikramaditya and China's plans to commission it is own aircraft carrier shortly.
Navy can be gauged from the fact that Flag Officer Commanding in Chief of the Easter Naval Command, Vice Admiral Anil Chopra is also present in Shanghai during the port call of Eastern fleet ships," said the brief. "The importance of the maritime global concern about security and the economic growth of both China and India automatically translates to a convergence of interests that underlines the need for us to strengthen cooperation in the maritime domain," it said. "The sustainable contribution of the PLA Navy to combating the scourge of piracy in the Gulf Of Aden is something that we are well aware of and highly appreciate. We therefore eagerly look forward to exercising with the very capable PLA Navy on our exit from Shanghai port," it said.
Vice Admiral Chopra later held talks with his counterpart of Chinese Navy, Su Zhiqian. Rear Admiral Gu Xiangping, Deputy Commander of the East Sea fleet, attended the reception on board the ships in the evening. The ships have been lined up for a series of engagements of public diplomacy, including visits by school children, local public and media. The Indian naval band will perform to entertain the Chinese crowds and receptions were due to be held with top civic and military officials.The Indian ships' visit is being seen as a significant event, as the two navies regarded as emerging powers of blue waters warmed up for maritime cooperation despite concerns over each others' rapid rise.
China is watching warily the US navy's big push into the Asia-pacific just when Beijing is tied down with maritime disputes over the islands in the South China Sea with a number of its neighbours including Philippines and Vietnam. China, which claims a large part of South China Sea as its own objected to India's oil exploration in the blocks claimed by Vietnam and expressed satisfaction when ONGC abandoned the wells citing poor yield.
India insists on freedom of navigation in South China Sea as it is a vital maritime route and Beijing has clarified several times that it never disrupted navigation. An Indian naval ship reported to have received a message last year when it was passing through South China Sea, stating that it is traveling in Chinese waters. But, Beijing termed it as a groundless report. While trying to scale up relations with India, China is also watching the impact of Washington's efforts to take ties with New Delhi to a new strategic level. The visit to China assumed "immense importance" as this year is declared as Year of India China Friendship and Cooperation.
Four Indian Naval Warships finally "invades" China
Beijing: Four Indian naval warships, on a first in six years goodwill tour to China, docked at the Shanghai port on Wednesday to a warm reception by the Chinese navy, as the two forces work to overcome mistrust and warm up for maritime cooperation.
Rana -- a Rajput class guided missile destroyer, Shivalik -- a stealth frigate; Karmuk -- a Kora class Corvettes and INS Shakti -- a fleet tanker, comprising of over 1000 sailors and officers arrived at the picturesque Bund in Shanghai to the accomplishments of Chinese naval bands.
Chinese naval officials headed by Rear Admiral, Shen Hao, Commander of the Shanghai Maritime garrison welcomed the ships and the crew.
Marking the significance of the occasion, Vice Admiral Anil Chopra, Chief of Indian Navy's Eastern Command along with Indian Ambassador, S Jaishankar were present to greet the Chinese naval officials.Much to the delight of the Indian officials, a large contingent of the Chinese media turned up to cover the event and the press interaction that followed. A press brief issued by the Indian embassy about the interaction with Chinese media today said the Indian officials highlighted India's "Look East Policy" stating that it underscores the importance India attaches to enhancing relations with East and South East Asian countries.
"It is with the hope of strengthening military ties with the countries of the strategically important region that the four ships under the command of Read Admiral Ajit Kumar, Flag Officer Commanding Eastern Fleet, were presently deployed in the South and East China Sea," the note said.
The ships which started their deployment in early May will continue till June 12 with port calls at Singapore, Vietnam, Philippines, South Korea, Japan and China. The Chinese journalists "bombarded" Vice Admiral Chopra and Jaishankar with questions about India's stand on the ongoing row between Philippines and China over the disputed islands in South China Sea, the emerging India-Japan defence cooperation, India's acquisition of new aircraft carrier, INS Vikramaditya and China's plans to commission it is own aircraft carrier shortly.
Navy can be gauged from the fact that Flag Officer Commanding in Chief of the Easter Naval Command, Vice Admiral Anil Chopra is also present in Shanghai during the port call of Eastern fleet ships," said the brief. "The importance of the maritime global concern about security and the economic growth of both China and India automatically translates to a convergence of interests that underlines the need for us to strengthen cooperation in the maritime domain," it said. "The sustainable contribution of the PLA Navy to combating the scourge of piracy in the Gulf Of Aden is something that we are well aware of and highly appreciate. We therefore eagerly look forward to exercising with the very capable PLA Navy on our exit from Shanghai port," it said.
Vice Admiral Chopra later held talks with his counterpart of Chinese Navy, Su Zhiqian. Rear Admiral Gu Xiangping, Deputy Commander of the East Sea fleet, attended the reception on board the ships in the evening. The ships have been lined up for a series of engagements of public diplomacy, including visits by school children, local public and media. The Indian naval band will perform to entertain the Chinese crowds and receptions were due to be held with top civic and military officials.The Indian ships' visit is being seen as a significant event, as the two navies regarded as emerging powers of blue waters warmed up for maritime cooperation despite concerns over each others' rapid rise.
China is watching warily the US navy's big push into the Asia-pacific just when Beijing is tied down with maritime disputes over the islands in the South China Sea with a number of its neighbours including Philippines and Vietnam. China, which claims a large part of South China Sea as its own objected to India's oil exploration in the blocks claimed by Vietnam and expressed satisfaction when ONGC abandoned the wells citing poor yield.
India insists on freedom of navigation in South China Sea as it is a vital maritime route and Beijing has clarified several times that it never disrupted navigation. An Indian naval ship reported to have received a message last year when it was passing through South China Sea, stating that it is traveling in Chinese waters. But, Beijing termed it as a groundless report. While trying to scale up relations with India, China is also watching the impact of Washington's efforts to take ties with New Delhi to a new strategic level. The visit to China assumed "immense importance" as this year is declared as Year of India China Friendship and Cooperation.
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Re: In South China Sea, a surprise Chinese escort for Indian ships
It reflects 3 things:
1. Chinese doesn't think India could be a threat in South China Sea in 10-20 years.
2. Chinese doesn't think India is willing to be a threat in South China Sea in 10-20 years.
3. Chinese is willing to use any scenario to emphasis their claim except initiating a war--CCP has at least learn something from current diplomatic school.
It reflects 3 things:
1. Chinese doesn't think India could be a threat in South China Sea in 10-20 years.
2. Chinese doesn't think India is willing to be a threat in South China Sea in 10-20 years.
3. Chinese is willing to use any scenario to emphasis their claim except initiating a war--CCP has at least learn something from current diplomatic school.
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Chinese Navy calls for trust building with India
A top officer of the East Sea Fleet of the People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) has called for improving trust with India and boosting exchanges, ahead of passage exercises between the two navies that will be held here on Saturday.
Rear Admiral Gu Xiangping, who is the Deputy Commander of the Chinese East Sea Fleet, called for "enhancing trust and understanding" between the militaries and navies of India and China, and increasing the frequency of interactions.
In what officials described as a reflection of the importance China has accorded to the visit of four Indian naval ships, which arrived here on a rare port call on Wednesday after stops in Singapore, Vietnam, the Philippines, South Korea and Japan, the PLAN dispatched the highest ranked official in charge of the East Sea fleet, Vice Admiral Su Zhiqian, from its headquarters in Ningbo. He held talks here with Vice Admiral Anil Chopra, Flag Officer Commanding in Chief of the Eastern Naval Command, who came in from India only for the port calls in China and Japan.
The visit of the Indian navy ships, which include the indigenous built guided missile stealth frigate Shivalik, destroyer Rana, corvette Karmuk and fleet tanker Shakti, has been described by the Indian and the Chinese officials as the highlight of defence exchanges this year.
The ships will head to Malaysia's Port Kelang on Saturday. The ships will hold passage exercises with the PLAN as they leave the Shanghai harbour on Saturday morning. While officials said the routine passage exercises were far removed from joint naval exercises, which India and China currently do not hold, they described the on-going visit as an important first step.
"We do not have the kind of familiarity or inter-operability as we do with the Americans or Japanese, so this kind of visit helps," an officer said.
Vice Admiral Chopra said he welcomed more visits by the PLAN to build trust. "The friendship and cooperation between the Chinese navy and the Indian Navy is growing every year, and especially this year, which is being marked as the year of friendship and cooperation," he said.
"The aim of this year is to increase exchanges between China and India so that there are no misunderstandings and we learn to cooperate and trust each other much more."
"We were very happy when the Chinese navy ship visited Kochi [last month]," he added. "We are hopeful this year that more Chinese navy ships will come and visit India in different ports."
His comments were echoed by Rear Admiral Gu, who said recent years had seen "sound and healthy development of friendship between the two militaries," which would benefit both countries and the region.
He had "confidence" that this week's visit would "enhance mutual understanding and trust between China and India, and further the relationship between the two militaries, and particularly, the two navies."
Are chinese allowed inside our war ships?
Chinese Navy calls for trust building with India
A top officer of the East Sea Fleet of the People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) has called for improving trust with India and boosting exchanges, ahead of passage exercises between the two navies that will be held here on Saturday.
Rear Admiral Gu Xiangping, who is the Deputy Commander of the Chinese East Sea Fleet, called for "enhancing trust and understanding" between the militaries and navies of India and China, and increasing the frequency of interactions.
In what officials described as a reflection of the importance China has accorded to the visit of four Indian naval ships, which arrived here on a rare port call on Wednesday after stops in Singapore, Vietnam, the Philippines, South Korea and Japan, the PLAN dispatched the highest ranked official in charge of the East Sea fleet, Vice Admiral Su Zhiqian, from its headquarters in Ningbo. He held talks here with Vice Admiral Anil Chopra, Flag Officer Commanding in Chief of the Eastern Naval Command, who came in from India only for the port calls in China and Japan.
The visit of the Indian navy ships, which include the indigenous built guided missile stealth frigate Shivalik, destroyer Rana, corvette Karmuk and fleet tanker Shakti, has been described by the Indian and the Chinese officials as the highlight of defence exchanges this year.
The ships will head to Malaysia's Port Kelang on Saturday. The ships will hold passage exercises with the PLAN as they leave the Shanghai harbour on Saturday morning. While officials said the routine passage exercises were far removed from joint naval exercises, which India and China currently do not hold, they described the on-going visit as an important first step.
"We do not have the kind of familiarity or inter-operability as we do with the Americans or Japanese, so this kind of visit helps," an officer said.
Vice Admiral Chopra said he welcomed more visits by the PLAN to build trust. "The friendship and cooperation between the Chinese navy and the Indian Navy is growing every year, and especially this year, which is being marked as the year of friendship and cooperation," he said.
"The aim of this year is to increase exchanges between China and India so that there are no misunderstandings and we learn to cooperate and trust each other much more."
"We were very happy when the Chinese navy ship visited Kochi [last month]," he added. "We are hopeful this year that more Chinese navy ships will come and visit India in different ports."
His comments were echoed by Rear Admiral Gu, who said recent years had seen "sound and healthy development of friendship between the two militaries," which would benefit both countries and the region.
He had "confidence" that this week's visit would "enhance mutual understanding and trust between China and India, and further the relationship between the two militaries, and particularly, the two navies."
Are chinese allowed inside our war ships?
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Re: In South China Sea, a surprise Chinese escort for Indian ships
1.chinese now have realised that if they want to dominate asia then they gotta be friends with indians.
2.we all know that you cannot match the us naval might
3.you don't have a fcking aircraft carrier to project power.
all you said was :bs:
1.chinese now have realised that if they want to dominate asia then they gotta be friends with indians.
2.we all know that you cannot match the us naval might
3.you don't have a fcking aircraft carrier to project power.
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Half a decade ago no-one in China saw the nuclear submarines, ICBM, satellite launch capabilities and military expansion(especially in the eastern himalayan sector). The Chinese should leave "predictions" where they belong to gypsies, travellers and quacks.:cool2:
When it come to India, China "thinks" a lot, says the opposite and does as predicted. Just five years ago if anyone in the Chinese defence community would have mentioned India becoming a threat dangerous enough to completely neutralize China's Force monopoly in the Asian Mainland(not counting the Pac. Rim and the Yank bases) he would have been laughed at, ridiculed and denigrated as a fool.
Half a decade ago no-one in China saw the nuclear submarines, ICBM, satellite launch capabilities and military expansion(especially in the eastern himalayan sector). The Chinese should leave "predictions" where they belong to gypsies, travellers and quacks.:cool2:
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INS Shivalik at the Shanghai Harbour, in the backdrop of the Pudong skyline. Photo: Ananth Krishnan
INS Shivalik approaches the Shanghai Harbour, sailing up the Huangpu river. Photo: Ananth Krishnan
INS Shivalik sails into the Shanghai Harbour. Photo: Ananth Krishnan
Rear Admiral P. Ajit Kumar, Flag Officer Commanding Eastern Fleet, alights from INS Shivalik at the Shanghai Harbour. Photo: Ananth Krishnan
INS Shivalik at the Shanghai Harbour, in the backdrop of the Pudong skyline. Photo: Ananth Krishnan
INS Shivalik approaches the Shanghai Harbour, sailing up the Huangpu river. Photo: Ananth Krishnan
INS Shivalik sails into the Shanghai Harbour. Photo: Ananth Krishnan
Rear Admiral P. Ajit Kumar, Flag Officer Commanding Eastern Fleet, alights from INS Shivalik at the Shanghai Harbour. Photo: Ananth Krishnan
Re: In South China Sea, a surprise Chinese escort for Indian ships
Secondly, how will you know what the chinese military establishment knows and dont knows half a decade ago? Is the indian plan to acquire ICBM and nuclear submarines so secret half a decade ago? Do you have some secret knowledges about chinese intel on India?
Please dont try to second guess. You dont belong to that community.
Judging from your post, you believe India is a threat dangerous enough to completely neutralize China's Force monopoly in the Asian Mainland? If so, how exactly?
Secondly, how will you know what the chinese military establishment knows and dont knows half a decade ago? Is the indian plan to acquire ICBM and nuclear submarines so secret half a decade ago? Do you have some secret knowledges about chinese intel on India?
Please dont try to second guess. You dont belong to that community.
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in future more such visits to other countries in south china sea. All we want to show is that if China can come to IO, then we too can go to SCC. May be soon drdo will bring in ship launch, A5 to panda land.
in future more such visits to other countries in south china sea. All we want to show is that if China can come to IO, then we too can go to SCC. May be soon drdo will bring in ship launch, A5 to panda land.
