Indian visiting grandson in Alabama, attacked by police, paralyzed

[sorcerer]

If he wanted to walk he should have walked in park. Wandering around on street is not acceptable in US.

Hank Sherrod, attorney for the family, this morning said the man was not walking on other people's property nor looking in garages.

Now..How do you defend the part of the attorney?

WTH?
Isnt street supposed to be for walking and loiteing around?
I must have committed quiet a lot of violations there walkin around!!
*gulp

Again..why was the cops suspended if they were following the freaking protocol? Do you think cops wont sue the dept if the suspension awarded them was on unfair grounds?But they accepted the suspension.. Doesnt it say something?

 

[Dovah]

We have to take in account that Indians do have a habit to poke nose into other mans business. This trait is even severe for Gujarati. In India people bare with the annoying habit but in US its simply not acceptable. You can exercise your right to 2nd amendment against speciousness person in your property.

The complaint clearly states :


Mr Patel does not have any business of walking their.
If he wanted to just walk he should have gone to part or some sport facility.

From legal stand point police officer war right and followed the protocol. Mr. Patel will get nominal compensation.

The best explanation Mr. Patel has come up with is :

This is the most idiotic post I have read on the topic. Congratulation.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

This is the most idiotic post I have read on the topic. Congratulation.

I assume you have never been to US that's why you find it idiotic!!!

 

[sorcerer]

@Dark Sorrow
I agree that some of the people are nosy....and gossipy and its an annoying habit..Isnt it with other nationals too..I find quiet a lot of bitchiness in every nationals....be it the USians themselves...The intensity varies.. but the case we are discussion about.. c'mon hes an old man taking a stroll on the streets. There was a better alternative for the cops..sure?

The cops overdid it..
US cops are not really gentle kind like in Hollywood movies..they curse..abuse and maaan..their vocabulary is more suited for porn movies!

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Now..How do you defend the part of the attorney?

WTH?
Isnt street supposed to be for walking and loiteing around?
I must have committed quiet a lot of violations there walkin around!!
*gulp

Again..why was the cops suspended if they were following the freaking protocol? Do you think cops wont sue the dept if the suspension awarded them was on unfair grounds?But they accepted the suspension.. Doesnt it say something?

Have you loitered around streets in US??? I think no hence you are making such comments.
If you are found loitering Police ask for identification and nature of business. In state of Alabama if you fail to provide identification you will be taken to police station.
If you say you are just walking around they will give you a warning to discontinue the behavior and ask you to walk in the park.
Its stand procedure to suspend cop pending IA investigation provided charges are serious.
Mr. Patel was walking around in neighborhood where their was complaint about suspicious man.
Mr. Patel failed to provide identification (either passport or ID card issued) and began putting his hands in his pockets (this is a serious event) when officer began to frisk him.
Officers attempted to pat the subject down and he attempted to pull away (another major breech). The subject was forced to the ground, which resulted in injury.

 

[pmaitra]

I assume you have never been to US that's why you find it idiotic!!!

Either you yourself have never been to the US, or you are simply being facetious. I have lived in many US states, and I still find your comment disingenuous.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

@Dark Sorrow
I agree that some of the people are nosy....and gossipy and its an annoying habit..Isnt it with other nationals too..I find quiet a lot of bitchiness in every nationals....be it the USians themselves...The intensity varies.. but the case we are discussion about.. c'mon hes an old man taking a stroll on the streets. There was a better alternative for the cops..sure?

The cops overdid it..
US cops are not really gentle kind like in Hollywood movies..they curse..abuse and maaan..their vocabulary is more suited for porn movies!

Sir, the cops may have over done it but Mr. Patel was also wrong.

The statement "The subject began putting his hands in his pockets," and "Officers attempted to pat the subject down and he attempted to pull away. The subject was forced to the ground, which resulted in injury." is enough for the cop to get away and if proved Mr. Patel is at fault and will loose if he sues the PD (probably the reason the Patels haven't sued). The officer can claim that he thought Mr. Patel was reaching for gun.

Its SOP in US to take down a guy forcefully if he makes any sudden moves that officer thinks that person is drawing weapon.

 

[sorcerer]

Have you loitered around streets in US??? I think no hence you are making such comments.

I dont have youtube video..Im not good in a selfie film making thingy..The still pics wont suit the purpose..but be assured..ya know! Sorry to disappoint..
But.One thing I can assure you mate ..cops dont give you a damn if you are walking around or loitering around the street or whatever.

They ask you for id? really? What was you doing on the street to call a cop on you?

 

[ladder]

Sir, the cops may have over done it but Mr. Patel was also wrong.

The statement "The subject began putting his hands in his pockets," and "Officers attempted to pat the subject down and he attempted to pull away. The subject was forced to the ground, which resulted in injury." is enough for the cop to get away and if proved Mr. Patel is at fault and will loose if he sues the PD (probably the reason the Patels haven't sued). The officer can claim that he thought Mr. Patel was reaching for gun.

Its SOP in US to take down a guy forcefully if he makes any sudden moves that officer thinks that person is drawing weapon.

You can't pat down until properly communicated of what you are going to do. As it was evident he spoke little English, which hilly-billy redneck went ahead to give a pat down? Who are you trying to fool?

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Either you yourself have never been to the US, or you are simply being facetious. I have lived in many US states, and I still find your comment disingenuous.

Yet you are not aware about SoP of police.

 

[sorcerer]

Sir, the cops may have over done it but Mr. Patel was also wrong.

The statement "The subject began putting his hands in his pockets," and "Officers attempted to pat the subject down and he attempted to pull away. The subject was forced to the ground, which resulted in injury." is enough for the cop to get away and if proved Mr. Patel is at fault and will loose if he sues the PD (probably the reason the Patels haven't sued). The officer can claim that he thought Mr. Patel was reaching for gun.

Its SOP in US to take down a guy forcefully if he makes any sudden moves that officer thinks that person is drawing weapon.

Sure...
The results of SOP a.k.a FUBAR

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Now.. do tell me..has the cops..the cops.. been gentle when dealing with a man who kept on repeatin the house name and who didnt know english?
There are SOPs and then there is something called COMMON SENSE..which is used to judge situation and act accordingly.

These are Cops..right...human cops..not ROBOCOPS taking to a Command Center!![/video]

 

[Dark Sorrow]

You can't pat down until properly communicated of what you are going to do. As it was evident he spoke little English, which hilly-billy redneck went ahead to give a pat down? Who are you trying to fool?

Try telling this to a judge. Is it the officer fault that Mr. Patel didn't speak English and made questionable movements.

First thing immigrants are taught is show identification to police officer if asked, not to resist frisking and not to make any sudden movements. This is not only in US but even through Europe and middle east.

 

[ladder]

Try telling this to a judge. Is it the officer fault that Mr. Patel didn't speak English and made questionable movements.

First thing immigrants are taught is show identification to police officer if asked, not to resist frisking and not to make any sudden movements. This is not only in US but even through Europe and middle east.

Trying to tell you that you are not the authority here. Don't try to be one. Surly Judge will be told. But you claimed something that it is SoP.

 

[pmaitra]

Try telling this to a judge. Is it the officer fault that Mr. Patel didn't speak English and made questionable movements.

First thing immigrants are taught is show identification to police officer if asked, not to resist frisking and not to make any sudden movements. This is not only in US but even through Europe and middle east.

Nonsense. A cop just cannot walk up to you and ask for your ID.

After seeing a bunch of your posts, I am now going to officially put you in the bracket of the likes of @asianobserve and @mattster, who will blindly defend anything that Uncle Sam does.

 

[sorcerer]

Exceprts from FUBAR

When may an officer arrest someone?

There are only a very limited number of circumstances in which an officer may make an arrest:

The officer personally observed a crime;
The officer has probable cause to believe that person arrested committed a crime;
The officer has an arrest warrant issued by a judge.

An officer cannot arrest someone just because she feels like it or has a vague hunch that someone might be a criminal. Police officers have to be able to justify their arrest usually by showing some tangible evidence that led them to probable cause.


Police Arrest Procedures

The rules regarding what an officer must do while making an arrest vary by jurisdiction. Generally, an arrest happens when the person being arrested reasonably believes that she is not free to leave. The officer need not use handcuffs, or place the arrestee in a police cruiser, although police often use these tactics to protect themselves. Police also do not have to read Miranda Rights at the time of arrest. However, the police must read a suspect his Miranda Rights before an interrogation, so many police departments recommend that Miranda Rights be read at the time of arrest. This way, they can start questioning right away, and also, any information volunteered by a suspect can be used against them. Finally, although police will almost always tell an arrestee why they are under arrest, they may not necessarily have any legal obligation to do so. This depends on both the jurisdiction and the circumstances of the arrest.

One universal rule police officers must follow is that they are not allowed to use excessive force or treat the arrestee cruelly. Generally, police officers are only allowed to use the minimum amount of force necessary to protect themselves and bring the suspect into police custody. This is why people are advised to never resist an arrest or argue with police. The more a suspect struggles, the more force is required for the police to do their job. If the arrestee thinks the arrest is unjustified or incorrect, she can always challenge it later with the help of an attorney, and if warranted, bring a civil rights case.

- See more at: What Procedures Must the Police Follow While Making an Arrest? - FindLaw

The person in question didnt know the language.. He was not cooperating cuz he was shocked by whats happening..but that desnt mean... such brutal tackle is needed.
There must be another way..ryt?
Ofcourse he resisted...but there is MINIMUM force condition to subjugate a person!
US police brutality is Epic! so i wont give the benefit of dubt to them asses!

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Nonsense. A cop just cannot walk up to you and ask for your ID.

After seeing a bunch of your posts, I am now going to officially put you in the bracket of the likes of @asianobserve and @mattster, who will blindly defend anything that Uncle Sam does.

I request you to read Stop and identify statutes and http://law.justia.com/codes/alabama/2006/14214/15-5-30.html.

I am saying because I have seen people go through similar situations, the law favors cops and burden of proof lies with the person being frisked.

 

[ladder]

DISCUSSION: The Tampa Police Department recognizes the importance of effective and accurate communication between its personnel and the community it serves. Language barriers can sometimes inhibit or even prohibit individuals with Limited English Proficiency (LEP) from accessing and/or understanding important rights, obligations, and services, or from communicating accurately and effectively in difficult situations. Hampered communication with LEP victims, witnesses, suspects, and community members can present the department with safety, evidentiary, and ethical challenges. Every effort to ascertain an individual's primary language will be made to ensure effective communication. Ensuring maximum communication ability between law enforcement and all segments of the community serves the interest of both.
I-Speak cards are posted in every police building with public access and extra forms are available in each district for officers to use in the field. Contracted in-person interpretation services shall be available to all personnel when interacting with LEP individuals. Supervisors are given liberal authority to approve the use of interpretation services to facilitate communications in the field. The communications center will be the central conduit for connecting personnel in the field to an appropriate interpreter.

Coping from police manuals.

@Dark Sorrow.

 

[ladder]

@Dark Sorrow.

The Court's opinion implied that a detainee was not required to produce written identification, but could satisfy the requirement merely by stating his name. Some "stop and identify" laws do not require that a detainee identify himself, but allow refusal to do so to be considered along with other factors in determining whether there is probable cause to arrest. In some states, providing a false name is an offense.[13]

From your own wiki link. And you said showing id is a must a SOP.

 

[pmaitra]

I request you to read Stop and identify statutes.

I am saying because I have seen people go through similar situations, the law favors cops and burden of proof lies with the person being frisked.

Well, frisking, stop and pat down, and a lot of these statues have been in practice in places like New York. These are simply unconstitutional. The point is, you don't want to argue with a man with a gun. Period.

In the US, no matter what a cop does, they will always walk free.

Also, no cop can simply walk up to you and ask for your ID, regardless of what statute you show, and certainly not if you were walking on the sidewalk.

@Dark Sorrow.

From your own wiki link. And you said showing id is a must a SOP.

He is wrong.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Trying to tell you that you are not the authority here. Don't try to be one. Surly Judge will be told. But you claimed something that it is SoP.

Let IA conclude their investigation. They will decide if SOP was followed. If the events occurred how the police claim to occur then the officer will be let of and no judge will entertain the law suit.