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Things are changing slowly so have patience.

what’s changing?

let’s be realistic- nothing in these pictures is what any top SF unit anywhere in the world is rocking.

An ACH and Tavor, oh wow /s they had these 11 years ago ffs!


Still no proper plate carriers (still stuck with these useless field load carrier vests with no ballistic protection whatsoever), no integrated comns, ridiculously outdated NODs (those single tube NVGs is what US SF was using in the early 1990s for Christ’s sake), no proper uniforms (with integrated elbow and knee pads), no modern sidearms, even those helmets are inferior to what regular infantry are issued in the best Western militaries (that have rails, mounds and better ergonomics).


And none of the other literally dozens of specialist equipment you find on operator load outs around the world.

Their weapon handling seems to be better these days but that’s about all the progress I’ve seen then make in the last 11+ years- in the same time NSG has seen a top to bottom transformation.

 

[ArgonPrime]

what’s changing?

let’s be realistic- nothing in these pictures is what any top SF unit anywhere in the world is rocking.

An ACH and Tavor, oh wow /s they had these 11 years ago ffs!


Still no proper plate carriers (still stuck with these useless field load carrier vests with no ballistic protection whatsoever), no integrated comns, ridiculously outdated NODs (those single tube NVGs is what US SF was using in the early 1990s for Christ’s sake), no proper uniforms (with integrated elbow and knee pads), no modern sidearms, even those helmets are inferior to what regular infantry are issued in the best Western militaries (that have rails, mounds and better ergonomics).


And none of the other literally dozens of specialist equipment you find on operator load outs around the world.

Their weapon handling seems to be better these days but that’s about all the progress I’ve seen then make in the last 11+ years- in the same time NSG has seen a top to bottom transformation.

The tac vests aren't that bad to be honest as long as you're rocking a plate carrier underneath. But the pouches need to be lined with PALS webbing strips though, to give better flexibility in terms of loadout as dictated by the mission.

 

[abingdonboy]

The tac vests aren't that bad to be honest as long as you're rocking a plate carrier underneath.

Users would tell you a different story. Imagine operating for hours or running with such a setup

 

[ArgonPrime]

Users would tell you a different story. Imagine operating for hours or running with such a setup

Of course, these are far from perfect, I'm not disputing that but compared to what they had been using even maybe a couple of years ago, it's quite an improvement. Personally, I like the British army load-bearing system the most, this one here to be precise but that's just me.

 

[abingdonboy]

Of course, these are far from perfect, I'm not disputing that but compared to what they had been using even maybe a couple of years ago, it's quite an improvement. Personally, I like the British army load-bearing system the most, this one here to be precise but that's just me.

The current FLC+BPJ setup is what they’ve had for more than a decade now.

and that pic is just a battle belt is it not?

 

[ArgonPrime]

The current FLC+BPJ setup is what they’ve had for more than a decade now.

and that pic is just a battle belt is it not?

Yeah, that's their combat belt. Better to put the weight on your hips rather than having them weigh down on your shoulders.

 

[abingdonboy]

Yeah, that's their combat belt. Better to put the weight on your hips rather than having them weigh down on your shoulders.

Haven’t seen a single service member in India with a combat belt but they are quite standard for modern operators around the world

 

[ArgonPrime]

Haven’t seen a single service member in India with a combat belt but they are quite standard for modern operators around the world

Yeah but the Brits have taken this to a whole 'nother level, ever seen anyone else with such a 'chunky' looking belt?? I know I haven't.

 

[abingdonboy]

Yeah but the Brits have taken this to a whole 'nother level, ever seen anyone else with such a 'chunky' looking belt?? I know I haven't.

There are some pretty chunky ones out there.


NSG has a tender out for combat belts so let’s see what they look like in Indian service

 

[ArgonPrime]

There are some pretty chunky ones out there.


NSG has a tender out for combat belts so let’s see what they look like in Indian service

As chunky as this one?? Just look at this pouch, it's like the Arnold Schwarzenegger of ammo pouches!!

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

what’s changing?

let’s be realistic- nothing in these pictures is what any top SF unit anywhere in the world is rocking.

An ACH and Tavor, oh wow /s they had these 11 years ago ffs!


Still no proper plate carriers (still stuck with these useless field load carrier vests with no ballistic protection whatsoever), no integrated comns, ridiculously outdated NODs (those single tube NVGs is what US SF was using in the early 1990s for Christ’s sake), no proper uniforms (with integrated elbow and knee pads), no modern sidearms, even those helmets are inferior to what regular infantry are issued in the best Western militaries (that have rails, mounds and better ergonomics).


And none of the other literally dozens of specialist equipment you find on operator load outs around the world.

Their weapon handling seems to be better these days but that’s about all the progress I’ve seen then make in the last 11+ years- in the same time NSG has seen a top to bottom transformation.

Bro,weapon handling got better than their own previous standards and did not get better as per the world standard.

The drills are still not the best in the world.Our SF looks like 9th grade and even South Korean operators look like on a phd level man.

Weapon transition,body posture,fire and move drills are not there.

For sure they are better equipped than the jihadist and pak army regulars or ssg.

Our SF is night blind...half of the operators of even the HIT unit doesnt have NVG.They dont have IR strobes,IR patches....instead of taking advantage of the night ..it has made us handicap.

I am sorry i dont know any SF unit in this world which is worth its salt that doesn't use night for their advantage.

How will we conquer the night unless we have the eyes of an owl?

Is this how we plan to win against China?

 

[ArgonPrime]

The drills are still not the best in the world.Our SF looks like 9th grade and even South Korean operators look like on a phd level man.

Weapon transition,body posture,fire and move drills are not there.

For that, you'd need to have a sidearm issued to you first, don't you think?? Most of our Para lads aren't rocking any type of handguns, so what they gonna delve into the transition training for anyway?? I think it's got something to do with the mission profile, as our Para SF guys appear to be geared more towards field combat where the room intervention training has been somewhat subsided, correct me if I'm wrong.

Our SF is night blind...half of the operators of even the HIT unit doesnt have NSG.They dont have IR strobes,IR patches....instead of taking advantage of the night ..it has made us handicap.

I am sorry i dont know any SF unit in this world which is worth its salt that doesn't use night for their advantage.

How will we conquer the night unless we have the eyes of an owl?

Is this how we plan to win against China?

Nah, those are for the pussies.

 

[abingdonboy]

Bro,weapon handling got better than their own previous standards and did not get better as per the world standard.

The drills are still not the best in the world.Our SF looks like 9th grade and even South Korean operators look like on a phd level man.

Weapon transition,body posture,fire and move drills are not there.

For sure they are better equipped than the jihadist and pak army regulars or ssg.

Our SF is night blind...half of the operators of even the HIT unit doesnt have NVG.They dont have IR strobes,IR patches....instead of taking advantage of the night ..it has made us handicap.

I am sorry i dont know any SF unit in this world which is worth its salt that doesn't use night for their advantage.

How will we conquer the night unless we have the eyes of an owl?

Is this how we plan to win against China?

I haven’t seen the video so can’t comment on their movements, just looking at how they are handling their weapons from still it looks a step up. But to this day the only actual decent weapon handling I’ve seen for a unit in India is the NSG and Force One in MH (the latter were trained by Israelis in early days so...?)


The night blindness issue is something I’ve been bringing up on page after page of this thread, it’s simply not addressed and that shows how backwards Indian SFs remain.

There’s no world class elite unit in India



(NSG is as close as it gets but they are probably still 2-3 years away from getting there)

 

[abingdonboy]

For that, you'd need to have a sidearm issued to you first, don't you think?? Most of our Para lads aren't rocking any type of handguns, so what they gonna delve into the transition training for anyway?? I think it's got something to do with the mission profile, as our Para SF guys appear to be geared more towards field combat where the room intervention training has been somewhat subsided, correct me if I'm wrong.




Nah, those are for the pussies.

Mission profile should never be used as an excuse not to issue a side arm- every single combatant needs one

 

[ArgonPrime]

Mission profile should never be used as an excuse not to issue a side arm- every single combatant needs one

Hey, I'm on your side, man. It just seems like that's the justification the top brass is using.

 

[ArgonPrime]

By the way, @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR @abingdonboy @rkhanna what do you think of the physical training standards of the Para SF and the regular army as well? I for one think they could insert some dedicated strength training in their regime but I would like to know your opinion on this as well.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Para SF are on par with regular infantry of modern armies as per training,skill and equipment.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

By the way, @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR @abingdonboy @rkhanna what do you think of the physical training standards of the Para SF and the regular army as well? I for one think they could insert some dedicated strength training in their regime but I would like to know your opinion on this as well.

They have done that slowly..but their diet is such plus more focus on cardio has resulted them in being so lean.

 

[abingdonboy]

Hey, I'm on your side, man. It just seems like that's the justification the top brass is using.

The top brass doesn’t dictate such trivial things. This comes out of SOPs

what blows my mind is that India has been fighting a conflict for all of its modern history and more specifically a hardcore insurgency since the mid 1980s and in that time has failed to develop sufficient tactics, standards or equipment levels. Any other country that was in a similar position to India would have responded by making units like RR, PARA SF etc world class by now.

Israel is a world leader in CT becuase it has vast experience in this problem and has had to come up with counters. How has India responded? Just absorbing the blows and moving on like nothing has changed


I honestly cannot grasp how a people can be as passive as this, every level of India has failed- boots on the ground, their immediate leaders and then civilians at the very top

 

[ArgonPrime]

Para SF are on par with regular infantry of modern armies as per training,skill and equipment.

Wait, that's not very encouraging, what about the regulars then??!! I thought the Para would be at least at the same level as the 75th Ranger Regiment as far as physical training standards are concerned.