Indian Special Forces (archived)

[rone]

does our army have any sf similar to recon marines ?

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

Paratrooper with USMC Troops

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

SPG , NSG & DP
Combo

 

[rkhanna]

does our army have any sf similar to recon marines ?

Recon Marines don't exist anymore.
Radio and force recon got rolled into MARSOC Raiders. Their primary tasking is LRRP (specially to prep the battle space for an amphib operation and forward control marine avaition ) - large task of theirs is covered by our MARCOS and ghatak units of the army. But no we don't have a MARSOC equivalent

 

[binayak95]

Recon Marines don't exist anymore.
Radio and force recon got rolled into MARSOC Raiders. Their primary tasking is LRRP (specially to prep the battle space for an amphib operation and forward control marine avaition ) - large task of theirs is covered by our MARCOS and ghatak units of the army. But no we don't have a MARSOC equivalent

Sir, won't Ghatak qualify for what the MARSOC used to do? Granted they have no amphibious capabilities, but essentially their job is to prep the enemy for the main assault?

 

[rkhanna]

Sir, won't Ghatak qualify for what the MARSOC used to do? Granted they have no amphibious capabilities, but essentially their job is to prep the enemy for the main assault?

Yes ghataks would. That's why I said largely as they only have a limited riverine capability only. But ghataks are closer to US Army Rangers specially their ranger recon companies.

That is why I am a big advocate of having Ghatak Battalions in regiments rather than platoons I'm Battalions .

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

NSG Commandos..........

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

PARA SF ...............

 

[ALBY]

Yes ghataks would. That's why I said largely as they only have a limited riverine capability only. But ghataks are closer to US Army Rangers specially their ranger recon companies.

That is why I am a big advocate of having Ghatak Battalions in regiments rather than platoons I'm Battalions .

Isn't Para Airborne /SFF more equivalent to Rangers than Ghataks who are more or less QRTs with in battalions made up of youngest among the whole ranks with out much specialised training compared with Para or SFF.May be Ghataks too are engaged in LRP recon ops,spearheads CT ops just like Rangers,but afaik similarity ends there .
Where as Para airborne or SFF who are are more equipped, well trained i are mandated and being capable of carrying out almost all types of ops Rangers are capable of.
Also unlike Rangers ,Ghataks are deputed only for 3-4 years and send back when new recruits arrive.Ghataks could be elite or best among infantry men,but equivalising them on par with Rangers may be far fetched.

 

[ALBY]

does our army have any sf similar to recon marines ?

Back in 2009 or something there was a talk about creating marine corps or something like that under Navy or independently,but as usual nothing happened.There was even a dedicated thread in DFI on the need for Marine recon units

 

[rone]

I think we need something similar to Marine recon , becoz as of now due to increase infiltration and constant cfv ,and growing influence of chinese navy in io , we need cability to sabotage critical ports and installation's and also it's important to take out them in surgical way , rather employing sf for these purpose on constant bases won't be a gud move

 

[rkhanna]

Isn't Para Airborne /SFF more equivalent to Rangers than Ghataks who are more or less QRTs with in battalions made up of youngest among the whole ranks with out much specialised training compared with Para or SFF.May be Ghataks too are engaged in LRP recon ops,spearheads CT ops just like Rangers,but afaik similarity ends there .
Where as Para airborne or SFF who are are more equipped, well trained i are mandated and being capable of carrying out almost all types of ops Rangers are capable of.
Also unlike Rangers ,Ghataks are deputed only for 3-4 years and send back when new recruits arrive.Ghataks could be elite or best among infantry men,but equivalising them on par with Rangers may be far fetched.

Actually Ghatak's are way more than QRT. They are the LRRP / Recon / Sniping / Sabotage Element of the Battalion. - Direct Support to Regimental HQ Operations

What I was saying is that Ghatak Battalions (instead of platoons) should be re-orged to Aid Regiment / Tactical Theater Operations. ( - Their Role is today Equivalent to Marine Sniper/Scout units (not RECON/RAIDERS)

The Paras - Should play the Role of Strategic Infantry aiding in the operations of the Strike Corps (like the 82nd Airborne) in direct support to Theater HQ Operation (82nd Airborne Equivalent)

The SFF - (probably our true Ranger Equivalent) - Should be tasked with Support of only "SOCOM" operations - QRT of SOF units and be used for taking and securing high value installations and Airfields.

So basically SFF Support SOF > Paras Support SFF > Ghataks Support Paras

This Org works as you work your way down operational Template - Macro to Micro - Strategic to Tactical.

 

[rkhanna]

Back in 2009 or something there was a talk about creating marine corps or something like that under Navy or independently,but as usual nothing happened.There was even a dedicated thread in DFI on the need for Marine recon units

Like i said before - We have ZERO money to raise a full fledged Marine Corp. Along with Men (which we currently have in the form of Amphib Infantry Brigade) we need money for FlatTops, Support ships, etc, Naval Helos, Integral Fire Power (Art, Tanks, APCs) to support Land based operations. Naval Aviation will end up being diverted to Aid their operations (can we afford that today?) .

These Assets will need to be OUTSIDE the Orbat of the Army/Navy and Airforce.

One hybrid solution would be to have a "Marine Corp" which is a Joint Command with Assets from Army/AF/Navy/SOF pooled to form a Combined Arms Expeditionary Task Force (that's permanent) - This wont be a "marine Corp" but an Expeditionary Corp. i.e. Will be India's first Strategic Global QRT to respond to crises outside our borders that threaten our interests. But again i think many many years in the future.

 

[rkhanna]

View attachment 25697
NSG Commando ..........

The Yellow Triangle - is an IFF/Unit Marker used in J&K by COIN units. First time i am seeing this on a unit outside J&K .

Possible he is part of a NSG unit headed to J&K?

 

[rkhanna]

I think we need something similar to Marine recon , becoz as of now due to increase infiltration and constant cfv ,and growing influence of chinese navy in io , we need cability to sabotage critical ports and installation's and also it's important to take out them in surgical way , rather employing sf for these purpose on constant bases won't be a gud move

Understand that Force Recon works within the Gambit of Marine Corp Mission Objectives ONLY. What you are talking about is more SEAL territory. I.E - MARCOS

 

[rkhanna]

TONBO now has QuadTube NVG googles.

If you SOF dont start getting these soon somebody needs to be shot

 

[binayak95]

TONBO now has QuadTube NVG googles.

If you SOF dont start getting these soon somebody needs to be shot

Goes to show privatisation of defence industry is truly the way forward.

 

[ALBY]

Actually Ghatak's are way more than QRT. They are the LRRP / Recon / Sniping / Sabotage Element of the Battalion. - Direct Support to Regimental HQ Operations

What I was saying is that Ghatak Battalions (instead of platoons) should be re-orged to Aid Regiment / Tactical Theater Operations. ( - Their Role is today Equivalent to Marine Sniper/Scout units (not RECON/RAIDERS)

The Paras - Should play the Role of Strategic Infantry aiding in the operations of the Strike Corps (like the 82nd Airborne) in direct support to Theater HQ Operation (82nd Airborne Equivalent)

The SFF - (probably our true Ranger Equivalent) - Should be tasked with Support of only "SOCOM" operations - QRT of SOF units and be used for taking and securing high value installations and Airfields.

So basically SFF Support SOF > Paras Support SFF > Ghataks Support Paras

This Org works as you work your way down operational Template - Macro to Micro - Strategic to Tactical.

Do you have any idea how Regular Paras work ?Does they work in small grouosnor in company or batallion sized formations?
What exactly are the mandates of TA units of Para.I had met some jawans of 106 TA and they said does yearly 5 para jumps and are engaged in CT ops in kashmir.As I was short on time I couldn't ask much.

 

[ALBY]

TONBO now has QuadTube NVG googles.

If you SOF dont start getting these soon somebody needs to be shot

Are those in prototype stages or are undergoing trials or did they got any buyers?

 

[rone]

this shit is bananas.. all we want to see...