Indian Special Forces (archived)

[Willy2]

@reddevil9 @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR @Immanuel

So SFF as a whole is a "not a special force" which consist 2 special force unit , one called Archer , which is a para unit ,actually not part of SFF core but support it's operation .

And other is SG which is consist of best of SFF ...am I right ?

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

@reddevil9 @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR @Immanuel

So SFF as a whole is a "not a special force" which consist 2 special force unit , one called Archer , which is a para unit ,actually not part of SFF core but support it's operation .

And other is SG which is consist of best of SFF ...am I right ?

Yes.

Like @reddevil9 has shared that not the entire SFF is SF but only 2 units inside it are SF which is like the 50th Parachute Brigade where the whole brigade is not SF but does have SF units inside it.

 

[aditya g]

My perception of SFF is that aside from being a "regiment", it is a brigade sized "formation" on its own as well. Kind of similar to 50th Independent but regimental centre, training school and command all under one roof - like Pak Army SSG.

With regards to SG, the Est 2-2 acts as a regimental centre. Same relation as say, 31 RR would have to Parachute Regiment.

 

[Immanuel]

@reddevil9 @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR @Immanuel

So SFF as a whole is a "not a special force" which consist 2 special force unit , one called Archer , which is a para unit ,actually not part of SFF core but support it's operation .

And other is SG which is consist of best of SFF ...am I right ?

SFF is essentially similar in structure to the Parachute regiment, Para Airborne though not SF are still elite airbone units and are fully special operations capable i.e similar to the 75th Ranger Regiment. Same can be said for SFF. I would not diminish the remaining of SFF battalions to elite infantry alone since their training goes beyond that of what we see for Ghataks. Ghataks in my book are the real elite infantry since they are the finest warrirors in an infantry regiment

SFF are an elite guerilla crack force specializing in unconventional warfare with SF elements and direct command from cabinet & RAW (similar in tasking to the green-berets). They continue to be shrouded in the highest levels of secrecy which isn't afforded to any of the Para units. SFF and SG are first to deploy the latest in SF tech and equipment. This already says a lot about their strategic importance. SFF today have many regular Indians and not just Indo-Tibetans, some battallions facing China have Indo-Tibetans, while others in the North have Gurkhas and other ethnicities. Platoons in SG have a similar break-up.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

In India every Police unit is Commando unit and every military unit is SF unit!

Anyway lucky us..we have women in our "SF" before the whole world.

 

[rkhanna]

Just remembered, even 31 Rashtriya Rifles is frequently quoted as 31 RR (Cdo), though till date I cant recall one official place where it is called as such.

Speaking of which there is hardly anything known about 31RR. I can barely find any citations or news reports.

@COLDHEARTED AVIATOR @reddevil9 @rkhanna @Bornubus

31RR Cdo - the CDO designation is no longer used. It used to be part of official designation because its manned by the Parachute Regiment. It acts like the "Ghatak" Battalion to RR. Permanent manning comes from the Paras with SF / JK SOG rotating in and out.

When ever SF are operating under RR command they are attached to 31.

 

[rkhanna]

Like for example Delhi SWAT trains with NSG.So does Mumbai Police and many more metropolitan police with the local NSG hubs.The bangalore police trains with Para regtt centre.

These units are very well trained and can be compared to the SWAT. (Not in terms of equipment)

Actually would like to disagree.

Giving a bunch of guys Kit and Helmets and getting them to do room clearing exercises (with NSG) is pointless when the time spent on them week on week shooting bullets is dismal.

our SWAT teams need to be shooting 100 rounds a week to build proficiency. But sadly our Police budgets do not have the wherewithal to give them the training they need.

Force One Spends more time hanging out outside Mantralaya and CM House than on the shooting range. If you ever in Mumbai and in the Nariman Point area you will spot them easily. talk to them.


Though I believe Delhi SWAT is better on budget and training spend decent amount of time with SPG and NSG instructors.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Actually would like to disagree.

Giving a bunch of guys Kit and Helmets and getting them to do room clearing exercises (with NSG) is pointless when the time spent on them week on week shooting bullets is dismal.

our SWAT teams need to be shooting 100 rounds a week to build proficiency. But sadly our Police budgets do not have the wherewithal to give them the training they need.

Force One Spends more time hanging out outside Mantralaya and CM House than on the shooting range. If you ever in Mumbai and in the Nariman Point area you will spot them easily. talk to them.


Though I believe Delhi SWAT is better on budget and training spend decent amount of time with SPG and NSG instructors.

I had no idea about Force 1 but Delhi SWAT and Karnataka Police commandos are trained well and they do practice quite often.

I was hoping the metropolitan police units practise with the local NSG hubs and get good experience like for example the Chetak commandos who train with NSG and have earned respect.

P.S-Force 1 looks kickass in the last pics.

 

[HarshBardhan]

Para SF in today Budgam Ecounter ( Snaps taken by me from a video )

 

[cobra commando]

NSG

PARA SF

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

What is up with NSG guys?

Any new planned purchase of guns in the pipeline?

 

[Willy2]

SFF is essentially similar in structure to the Parachute regiment, Para Airborne though not SF are still elite airbone units and are fully special operations capable i.e similar to the 75th Ranger Regiment. Same can be said for SFF. I would not diminish the remaining of SFF battalions to elite infantry alone since their training goes beyond that of what we see for Ghataks. Ghataks in my book are the real elite infantry since they are the finest warrirors in an infantry regiment

SFF are an elite guerilla crack force specializing in unconventional warfare with SF elements and direct command from cabinet & RAW (similar in tasking to the green-berets). They continue to be shrouded in the highest levels of secrecy which isn't afforded to any of the Para units. SFF and SG are first to deploy the latest in SF tech and equipment. This already says a lot about their strategic importance. SFF today have many regular Indians and not just Indo-Tibetans, some battallions facing China have Indo-Tibetans, while others in the North have Gurkhas and other ethnicities. Platoons in SG have a similar break-up.

The main confusion is this "Archer" unit. Mr. @reddevil9 pointed out it as a Para unit ...is this "para" means that there is 12 formal para battalion + Archer ? or is't just simply parachute regiment assign to the SFF specially ...as u stated that SFF is assigned to takeout target beyond enemy lines , then may be all the combat capable units of SFF are certified paratrooper ....if 2nd one is true then what make "Archer" unit different from regular SFF infantry ?
Also , the SG is the guerrilla warfare specialist who might try similar stuff like operation Gibraltar in tibet if necessary ?

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Look,the Tibetan or Vikas units are not SF!They are airborne unit.

This is no argument that they are trained more than Ghataks so they are SF!Airborne troops by nature of operations are trained more than shock troops.

If this is the argument then 5th,6th,7th,23rd and 29 Para are also SF!!Because they too are trained more than Ghataks?This is a stupid argument.

Secondly,Vikas units have females in it.I mean how can it be a SF.Its quite silly i am trying to state the obvious and some people are not getting it!!!

SG has a very low percentage of Tibetans.It has all the SF operators from Para and Marcos and might also have Garuds.These are the guys who have qualified to be called a SF operator and naturally they are called the SF.

Regarding Archers we can only wait @reddevil9 to come back and explain but what i understood is that Archers has the same old CDO tag that was the previous name for SF.SF battalions were called CDO battalions previously.And i think Archers also undergo probation.
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On another note i just realised what is the strength of Indian SF man.We have almost 2 Brigades of SF Airborne troops and then SF battalions and regular Para.The strength would easily be more than 10,000 and close to 20,000 for the Para guys only.

Garuds are increasing strength after Pathankot and Marcos strength is more than 2000 and less than 5000.

So all in all we have around approx 30,000 SF/Airborne guys!!

Ghataks would be close to 10,000!

So we have around 2 divisions of special troops.

If we equip these these troops well and train them well i think they are sufficient for a 2 front war.

 

[reddevil9]

Regarding Archers, let me try to elucidate what actually is archers and why does it really exist.

Archer is a commando unit of SFF, this commando unit which IMO is equivalent to our SF is the special operations arm of SFF, let me explain you all with an example, suppose SFF is tasked to take over an area/ district/city inside China during a conflict, so as to carry out the mission successfully, proper intelligence of the PLA's barracks, bunkers, artillery etc is required, so who will be the first ones to go inside to carry out the close target recces, long range reconnaissance, a small team of special operators and these special operators would belong to the Archers. there are around 10k troopers in the SFF and not everyone could be a special operator, training of special operators is extremely advanced, specialized, expensive and lengthy. they take orders from the SFF HQ not the Parachute Regiment. they're the commandos of SFF who cater to the special operations needs of the SFF.
Regarding SG,

though it's kept under the umbrella of SFF but it doesn't comply to the operating procedures, recruitment, training etc of the SFF IMO, it's an independent unit which works presumably for RAW, like CIA(SAD).

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Regarding Archers, let me try to elucidate what actually is archers and why does it really exist.

Archer is a commando unit of SFF, this commando unit which IMO is equivalent to our SF is the special operations arm of SFF, let me explain you all with an example, suppose SFF is tasked to take over an area/ district/city inside China during a conflict, so as to carry out the mission successfully, proper intelligence of the PLA's barracks, bunkers, artillery etc is required, so who will be the first ones to go inside to carry out the close target recces, long range reconnaissance, a small team of special operators and these special operators would belong to the Archers. there are around 10k troopers in the SFF and not everyone could be a special operator, training of special operators is extremely advanced, specialized, expensive and lengthy. they take orders from the SFF HQ not the Parachute Regiment. they're the commandos of SFF who cater to the special operations needs of the SFF.
Regarding SG,

though it's kept under the umbrella of SFF but it doesn't comply to the operating procedures, recruitment, training etc of the SFF IMO, it's an independent unit which works presumably for RAW, like CIA(SAD).

Excellent post.

I have been 10 years on forums and have hardly come across any info about SFF/SG/Archers.

Thanks buddy!

 

[ALBY]

In nutshell, they are almost equalent of Marine Raiders/Marsoc of USMC ryt?

 

[Bornubus]

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[Jay99]

Does the Garud Commando Force Need Actual Combat Experience?

https://www.thequint.com/voices/opinion/does-the-garuda-commando-force-need-actual-combat-experience

 

[rkhanna]

Does the Garud Commando Force Need Actual Combat Experience?

https://www.thequint.com/voices/opinion/does-the-garuda-commando-force-need-actual-combat-experience

Please avoid posting moronic articles that have Zero Value Add.

The irony is that the Author of this Garbage hit piece is ex IA. Probably spent his career behind a desk.

Please tell me of one Soldier / Unit / Battalion on the planet that can do WITHOUT combat experience. And if not for Kashmir where else they going to get active combat experience? Should they have Combat experience before being deployed in Kashmir?

On the Hypothesis that because they lost 3 soldiers in 2 months shows they are deficient due to their training, experience or tasking is the fiction conjured up by imbeciles.

In the first encounter they were AMBUSHED. Unless you are superman there is a good chance the first troops in contact in an ambush get killed. See what happened to the SFG ODA in Nigeria recently.

On this recent event. 1 Operator held of and fought off an OPFOR of 6 Experienced terrorist while killing 3 (?) and preventing the others from escape.

Any other inference from just these two data points requires a trip to Logic School.

 

[Suryavanshi]

Does the Garud Commando Force Need Actual Combat Experience?

https://www.thequint.com/voices/opinion/does-the-garuda-commando-force-need-actual-combat-experience

Before anyone post a article from Quint he should drink Bleach for the better of mankind, if by chance he survives then the article is worth posting.