Indian Sniper Equipment & Tactics

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  1. DivineHeretic

    DivineHeretic Senior Member Senior Member

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    You were the one who asked which armies operate with such equipment.

    I never said they are IA or the two armies have similar loadouts as ours. The point was when a sniper has to provide fire support or cover fire, that too when operating in friendly territory, they can be lightly equipped. They do not need to be packed with eveything one would carry for a SF mission into a hostile region.

    In any case, a sniper, be it in NATO, PLA, PA, or IA conducts the same role, ofcourse in different terrains. And judging by the impact, the NATO have been far more effective in usage of their sniper teams, both as support as well as independent. So how this has nothing to do with us?
    The British in WWI quickly copied the German tactics of using marksman, learning from their enemies. Should we just ignore the tactics used by NATO snipers?

    The german and Norwegian sniper teams equipped themselves based on the requirements of the mission, and on the terrain. They have access to heavier equipment, but decided that what they took was enough for the job.
    The IA has similar requirements for the sniper. The terrain is different, but the mountains of Afg are nearly as difficult as in Kashmir.

    The POK scenario was just an example of where snipers would have to carry a full loadout. I did not attempt to state an actual situation of such an action.
     
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    DivineHeretic Senior Member Senior Member

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    AFAIK only BSF gave the order for Vidhwansak, and not the army. The army holds a few of the NTW-20, very similar to Vidhwansak, but without any spare support, are they even operational?

    In any case, the new tender specifies requirement for 1000 AMRs, with weight below 15 kg.
     
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    SilentKiller Regular Member

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    and the contenders?
     
  4. Kunal Biswas

    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    I dont know about BSF but Army is the primary user of Vidhwansak and these are use in mass over CT area, Army use both 14.5mm and 20mm barrels..

    New tender is for Army, Hungarian AMR is used by PARA SF in small numbers..

     
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    shom Regular Member

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    BSF uses Vidhwanshak and Steyr SSG-69, and talking about vidhwanshak please see this:-
    Vidhwansak AMR is one of few firearms to support 3 calibers with quick interchangeability (without completely disassembling and reworking the weapon). The Vidhwansak can be easily converted between the three calibers - 12.7 mm, 14.5 mm and 20 mm, by replacing the barrel, bolt, magazine and scope, which takes about 1 minute in the field, without the need for any specialized tools.
    Rest Kunal da has answered you.
    Source: Indian defence.
     
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  6. shom

    shom Regular Member

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    Heckler & Koch PSG1:-
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    The PSG1 (Präzisionsschützengewehr, German for "precision-shooter rifle" or "marksman rifle") is a semi-automatic sniper rifle designed by the German company Heckler & Koch of Oberndorf am Neckar.
    Design details:-
    The PSG1 is mechanically based on the G3 rifle and features a low-noise bolt closing device (similar to the forward assist on many M16 rifles). Its shot-to-shot variation is expected to be better than 1 minute of angle (MOA) with match ammunition. Although this level of accuracy is unremarkable in modern semi-automatic rifles, it was claimed that the PSG1 was "one of the most accurate semi-automatic sniper rifles in the world."[1]
    PSG1s are not supplied with iron sights but come equipped with the Hensoldt ZF6x42PSG1 scope with an illuminated reticle. The scope has a built-in range adjustment feature which can be adjusted from 100 to 600 m.
    It has a heavy free-floating barrel with polygonal rifling and an adjustable stock. The stock is of high impact matte black plastic and has a high degree of adjustment. It is adjustable for length, and includes a pivoting butt cap and a vertically-adjustable cheekpiece. The forend is fitted with a T-way rail for sling swivel or tripod.
    The rifle also features a removable and adjustable trigger unit, for further individual fitting of the rifle. The trigger pull can be modified and the whole assembly is removable from the pistol grip. The pistol grip is of a target-style with an adjustable palm shelf.
    Another notable characteristic of the PSG1 is that after firing, the cartridge casing is ejected with substantial force, reportedly enough to throw it approximately 10 meters to the side (SVD rifle also has a similar tendency). While this is generally not an issue for law enforcement snipers, it greatly compromises the military use of the rifle, because it would easily give away the sniper's position. The brass is also difficult to find for clearing the area of usage marks afterwards, due to the wide area in which it could have landed. Not only does this rifle eject brass some distance, but it crimps the casing severely, meaning most casings cannot be reused.
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    Caliber: 7.62 x 51mm NATO (.308 Win)
    Action: Semi-automatic, roller-delayed blowback
    Barrel: 650 mm
    Overall length: 1208 mm
    Weight: 8.10 kg with scope and no magazine
    Magazine: 5 or 20 round detachable box
    Scope: Hendsoldt 6x42, 6 settings from 100 to 600 meters
    Expected accuracy: Sub-1MOA with match grade ammunition

    The PSG-1 sniper system (PrazisionsSchutzenGewehr, or "high-precision marksman's rifle"in English) had been developed by the German company Heckler - Koch by themid-1980s as an ultimate police and counter-terror weapon. Some German elitelaw-enforcement groups, like GSG or KSK-9, participate in this development, andsince its introduction the PSG-1 had been adopted by various police forces inEurope and Americas. It is way too heavy and somewhat too gentle for militaryuse, so it never seen any military use. Instead, HK developed two more sniperweapons. The first, that actually preceded the PSG-1, was the G3-SG1, an accurizedand scope-fitted version of the basic G3 automatic rifle for German Army. And inthe mid-1980s HK also developed a derivative of the PSG-1, called MSG-90, forexport military sales. The PSG-1 is still offered by the HK, and is one of themost expensive factory-made sniper rifles on the market, hitting the $10.000price tag in the basic package.
    Technically, the PSG-1 is no more than a heavily modified G3 rifle. It featuresthe same roller-delayed blowback action, derived from earlier CETME rifles, andthe same stamped steel receiver with separate detachable trigger unit. The heavybarrel is precisely made by the cold hammer forging process with polygonalrifling for improved accuracy and longer life. Special trigger unit features asemi-automatic only hammer group and the adjustable trigger with trigger pull ofabout 1.5 kg (3 lbs). The ergonomically shaped pistol grip features anadjustable palm stop. Plastic buttstock is also adjustable for height and for lengthof pull. Another non-typical feature of the PSG-1 is the "silent boltclosing device", actually similar to the forward assist, found on M16rifles. This is apparently to be used in situations where a complete silencemust be maintained until the shot is fired. The devise is no more that apushbutton, located just behind the ejection port, and linked to the boltcarrier by the ratchet-like device. The rifle is fed using standard 20-rounds G3magazines or special 5-rounds magazines. There's no open (iron) sights on thePSG-1. Instead, it is fitted with the Hendsoldt 6X42 fixed power telescope sightwith illuminated reticle. The scope has built-in range adjuster that works inranges from 100 to 60 meters, so 600 meters is considered the maximum effectiverange. Most strangely, the PSG-1 had no integral bipod. Instead, it is oftenused with the separate rest, mounted on the compact tripod.
    The PSG-1's official silencer is from Brügger & Thomet (B and T).
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    Data Courtesy:- Wikipidia, http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sniper-rifles/de/hk-psg-1-e.html
     
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    Since we got somany higher points., its advantage over our rouge neighbour.

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    I think the M110 is ideal as a 7.62 rifle, it has proven itself in harsh areas like Afghan and seems to be very accurate and comes with many attachment options. I think its an ideal SVD replacement. As for .50 AMRs, best to go for the Barrett M-82, one can fire standard .50 rounds or .416 rounds out to 2 km+ the rifle is proven in reliability and sheer power.
     
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    the The M107 is used by Mumbai Police Force One Commandos. is a Version of M 82

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    and Tell me which Sniper is this

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    Swiss Arms SG551 SWAT. NSG SG551 use the Hensoldt 6x42 BL scope. The variant could be a SG551P as well. I am not quite sure.

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    The rifles in NSG service has the following accesories from the above pic.
    The top scope which is Hensoldt 6x42BL
    The cheekpad
    The tactical flashlight
    Bipod
    Lower frontguard

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    Here you can see the 553SB, 553LB and 551SB rifles along with the 551P/SWAT which is between the SC70/90 and Negev.
     
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    This idiot does not deserve to be there. :tsk:
     
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    Sako Trg and AI are the only company which make the best sniper rifle in the world, the only sniper rifle above it are custom made.

    Lapua has overtaken .50 caliber record as the longest range kill.

    I just don't understand how Mizoram police can get hands over trg 22 and our special forces still uses SVD, SVD is good no doubt but it's PU scope is a piece of Crap.
     
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    well shooting downrange is a benefit for sure but still higher point dose not matter when you can't see clearly with a PU scope (PSL Romak 3 Tigr)which has 3-9X42 which is only good for 600 yards

    IOF makes really crappy rounds , they do not even bother to clean the brass I used indian surplus 7.62X39
    rounds and the accuracy was so bad that I will never buy those round anymore no matter how cheap they are, I hope they don't maintain the same standard for 7.62X51. Accuracy depends on rounds too, if you use a shitty round no matter how good the gun is it will not be accurate.
     
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    NSG commando in 26/11 at Nariman House.
     
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    Infntry wepons in the IA suffer from some major issues:

    Lack of standardization (logistical, training nightmare)

    Lack of modern features ( Scopes, night vision, pic rails, bipods, etc.)

    F INSAS is taking far too long.
     
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    can SG551 also be used as sniper weapon as imi galil ?
     
  20. Kunal Biswas

    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    Wrong, There is no serious issue such as these, all of these ..

     

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