Indian Sniper Equipment & Tactics

[Immanuel]

Barrett .50/.416 indeed is ideal, it is a powerful weapon, I think this should be ordered in large numbers for all infantry battalions, with a large order we can ven go in for TOT and local manufacture.

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Leader .50 is ideal for all SF units, these too be acquired asap along with local manufacture for large scale production

I would rather we go for the Grendel 6.5 round since it out shot the 7.62 to a longer range with better penetration with lesser recoil. We can also have upto 26 rounds in a mag

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[Immanuel]

Barrett .50/.416 indeed is ideal, it is a powerful weapon, I think this should be ordered in large numbers for all infantry battalions, with a large order we can ven go in for TOT and local manufacture.

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Leader .50 is ideal for all SF units, these too be acquired asap along with local manufacture for large scale production

I would rather we go for the Grendel 6.5 round since it out shot the 7.62 to a longer range with better penetration with lesser recoil. We can also have upto 26 rounds in a mag

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[ALBY]

I strongly believes that instead of marksman training IA should emphasize more on sniper training inorder to take out leadership of terrorist outfits who usually hides in the hideouts out side borders or deep inside dense forests.
More over considering the current scenario counter insurgency forces like CRPF and grey hounds want sniper rifles and professional training very urgently.

 

[K Factor]

I strongly believes that instead of marksman training IA should emphasize more on sniper training inorder to take out leadership of terrorist outfits who usually hides in the hideouts out side borders or deep inside dense forests.
More over considering the current scenario counter insurgency forces like CRPF and grey hounds want sniper rifles and professional training very urgently.

Couldn't agree more. Snipers with good sniper systems should be a priority for IA and Paramilitary forces in India.
Apart from being able to impart significant damage to enemy personnel from beyond 1 KM (standard distance for engagements for western sniper rifles, where ammunition is still supersonic at this range), it is also a severe morale denter for the enemy to see a bullet in the eye of their comrades. They see the bullet hole first and then get the bullet sound since bullet is supersonic.
IMO, India should go in for Accuracy International AW which is one of the best systems around and it fires the .338 Lapua Magnum, considered by some to be the best sniper round in use.
Barrett 50 cals are too heavy for regular use unless you have a vantage position and are not expected to be mobile.

 

[ALBY]

Couldn't agree more. Snipers with good sniper systems should be a priority for IA and Paramilitary forces in India.
Apart from being able to impart significant damage to enemy personnel from beyond 1 KM (standard distance for engagements for western sniper rifles, where ammunition is still supersonic at this range), it is also a severe morale denter for the enemy to see a bullet in the eye of their comrades. They see the bullet hole first and then get the bullet sound since bullet is supersonic.
IMO, India should go in for Accuracy International AW which is one of the best systems around and it fires the .338 Lapua Magnum, considered by some to be the best sniper round in use.
Barrett 50 cals are too heavy for regular use unless you have a vantage position and are not expected to be mobile.

In 2011 or 12 home ministry had requested tenders from foreign arms makers like SAKO etc for buying sniper rifles for CRPF but nothing went further.In addition to Accuracy international ORSIS T5000,M24,improved SVDM,SV98 ,M40,chey tac intervention,sakoTRG 22 OR 42(.338 Lapua) etc are also good choices infront of the paramilitary.
Heavy weapons like Barett are not suited for our needs except in LOC or in urban scenarios,it will slow down the tteam and heavy sound of it will blow the cover too.

 

[Immanuel]

In 2011 or 12 home ministry had requested tenders from foreign arms makers like SAKO etc for buying sniper rifles for CRPF but nothing went further.In addition to Accuracy international ORSIS T5000,M24,improved SVDM,SV98 ,M40,chey tac intervention,sakoTRG 22 OR 42(.338 Lapua) etc are also good choices infront of the paramilitary.
Heavy weapons like Barett are not suited for our needs except in LOC or in urban scenarios,it will slow down the tteam and heavy sound of it will blow the cover too.

The Barrett M82 is certainly not much heavier than the Cheytac, Barrett's .416 caliber gives incredible supersonic shot ranges of around 2300m+

Actually for CRPF and infantry needs, rifles like the M-110 are ideal, they are accurate out to 800-1200m which is more than enough. Grendel based sniper rifles too are great since troops can carry more ammo, they come with 20-26 round mags.


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Calibers like .338 lapua, .416, .408 and .50 are ideal for SF and infantry units but these guys are better off with semi auto sniper rifles with atleast 10 shot mags, bolt action invariably slows down rate of fire.

Leader 50 is ideal for SF units since I think so far it is among the lightest .50 sniper rifles, gives SF units long range in a rather compact package.

.50 Barretts can be used at the LOC for some breathtaking head work on ---- pigs

 

[ALBY]

The Barrett M82 is certainly not much heavier than the Cheytac, Barrett's .416 caliber gives incredible supersonic shot ranges of around 2300m+

Actually for CRPF and infantry needs, rifles like the M-110 are ideal, they are accurate out to 800-1200m which is more than enough. Grendel based sniper rifles too are great since troops can carry more ammo, they come with 20-26 round mags.


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Calibers like .338 lapua, .416, .408 and .50 are ideal for SF and infantry units but these guys are better off with semi auto sniper rifles with atleast 10 shot mags, bolt action invariably slows down rate of fire.

Leader 50 is ideal for SF units since I think so far it is among the lightest .50 sniper rifles, gives SF units long range in a rather compact package.

.50 Barretts can be used at the LOC for some breathtaking head work on ---- pigs

concerning the snipers ammo counnt doesnt matter as they are for one shot one kill and its the duty of spotter to do all the fire works if necessary.Plus grendel ammo wont give the punching power of a 7.62 NATO or 7.62x54mm ammo.I think the best suited sniper for paramilitary are either SVDm with sniper grade ammo in semi auto annd M40 ,ACCURACY INTERNATIONAL or sakoTRG 22 OR 42.These weapons are suited for SF and army regualars too.
Coonsidering the light weight of the leader 50 it iis more suiited for SF and BSF which uses more heavier anti materiaal rifles.It could also come in handy with the RR and SWAT teams if fitted with a thermal scope in clearing out tangos who usually hides in urban environment.

 

[Immanuel]

Problem with single shot kills is that they are very diffficult to achieve, moreover, looking at the number of enemies we would face on both fronts, tis better to have semi auto rifles with large mag capacity. For such reasons the M-110 is ideal for infantry use. Leader .50 great for SF units. I think SVDm is quite an old weapon which allows for little upgrades in rails and attachments. In contrast the M-110 can easily be heavily modified with a wide amount of attachments and remains relatively light. It is the ideal sniper for Ghatak units as well as most paramilitary units. BSF, ITBP could use the Leader .50. Accuracy International Arctic warfare can be used in high alt and siachen due to specific focus on artic like conditions.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Keep in Mind, IA is very sensitive about weight..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Indian Army Snipers..

 

[DivineHeretic]

Keep in Mind, IA is very sensitive about weight..

Which begs the question, why?

Usually A Sniper team is the lightest on the battlefield, in terms of equipment carried. Normal equipment includes the Sniper rifle, the side-arm, A GPS and encrypted radio set, some rations and a Ghillie suit. In most cases, they don't even wear the BJ, nor carry 120-180 5.56/7.62 rounds. Am I missing something?

Assuming similar physical standards as a regular infantry, the Sniper should ideally be the one capable of carrying the heavy guns, as they donot have any other burden.
They should really be able to carry a heavy sniper rifle, if thats what it takes to get better range and accuracy.

 

[W.G.Ewald]

There are qualified Snipers ( From US & Germany ) in IA mostly in PARA these individual also train others in Sniper Hub, In real terrain one perfect its skills..

Snipers are used over every where, Including Jungles..
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And urban terrain, such as Fallujah.

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[Kunal Biswas]

Which country sniper team is that ?

Which begs the question, why?

Usually A Sniper team is the lightest on the battlefield, in terms of equipment carried. Normal equipment includes the Sniper rifle, the side-arm, A GPS and encrypted radio set, some rations and a Ghillie suit. In most cases, they don't even wear the BJ, nor carry 120-180 5.56/7.62 rounds. Am I missing something?.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

It includes Survival & Tactical gear, total weight is around +20kg excluding the Rifle, A long range patrol can be of 15kms to 50kms..

 

[SilentKiller]

It includes Survival & Tactical gear, total weight is around +20kg excluding the Rifle, A long range patrol can be of 15kms to 50kms..

@Kunal sir
i once saw a video where sniper are given counter-sniper tactical training. their snipers used bolt action rifles for more accuracy...
and seen many comments that bolt action is more accurate than auto/semi-auto. is that same with IA?
Is dragonv (sorry for name) is bolt or other? do we have any other sniper rifle in IA use?
some sniper also use heavy caliber round sniper rifles for loner range and lethal use...
have IA used anti-material rifles for such use in counter-terrorist roles?

 

[DivineHeretic]

Which country sniper team is that ?

Norwegian Sniper unit in Afganistan. Notice lack of BA or even a helmet. No extra gear carried. Thses are sniper support for advancing troops, not on independent baiting/ambush missions.

German Sniper team providing cover for a convoy.

These are the typical missions IA snipers will have to conduct, providing support to advancing troops in case of war or covering troops/long range engagement COIN ops. It is very unlikely that IA will deploy 2 man teams into POK anytime in the near future. As such this is likely the mandate they have to serve.

In any case, even for LOC/IB patrols, the loadout would be similar to a regular IA soldier, minus the 5.56/7.62 mags and in most cases the BA and even the helmet. That alone reduces the weight to be carried by 10-12 kgs wrt a regular infantry. And a regular infantry carries upto 35kg, if I'm right.

Of course, when conducting lone missions deep in POK, they'd need to be loaded out similar to the IA SF, with all the survival and tactical gear necessary. For fire support to platoons, they only need to be equipped as the regular infantry.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

They are not IA units and there package is design as per terrain and balanced according to there issue..

This has nothing to do with us, Please dont go on comparison without having idea about regular issue load-outs of different armies..

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I am not into much theoretical pre assumed POK insertion senerio coz never seen or heard about it..

Norwegian Sniper unit in Afganistan. Notice lack of BA or even a helmet. No extra gear carried. Thses are sniper support for advancing troops, not on independent baiting/ambush missions.

These are the typical missions IA snipers will have to conduct, providing support to advancing troops in case of war or covering troops/long range engagement COIN ops. It is very unlikely that IA will deploy 2 man teams into POK anytime in the near future. As such this is likely the mandate they have to serve. Of course, when conducting lone missions deep in POK, they'd need to be loaded out similar to the IA SF, with all the survival and tactical gear necessary. For fire support to platoons, they only need to be equipped as the regular infantry.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Bolt action are accurate and good for Sniper teams, A 50cal bolt action Sniper is a good choise but must be light weighted..

Army have limited SP-66 bolt action type in some units but SVD is prefers most as it is available in Mass and it is a semi auto..

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IA use Vidawanshak AMR in CT ops..

@Kunal sir
i once saw a video where sniper are given counter-sniper tactical training. their snipers used bolt action rifles for more accuracy...
and seen many comments that bolt action is more accurate than auto/semi-auto. is that same with IA?
Is dragonv (sorry for name) is bolt or other? do we have any other sniper rifle in IA use?
some sniper also use heavy caliber round sniper rifles for loner range and lethal use...
have IA used anti-material rifles for such use in counter-terrorist roles?

 

[DivineHeretic]

@Kunal sir
i once saw a video where sniper are given counter-sniper tactical training. their snipers used bolt action rifles for more accuracy...
and seen many comments that bolt action is more accurate than auto/semi-auto. is that same with IA?
Is dragonv (sorry for name) is bolt or other? do we have any other sniper rifle in IA use?
some sniper also use heavy caliber round sniper rifles for loner range and lethal use...
have IA used anti-material rifles for such use in counter-terrorist roles?

The IA only has Dragunovs in large numbers, which are in any case semi-automatics and not bolt action.
In order to fire effective API ammunition, its accuracy potential was slightly downgraded by shortening the twist rate, another uncommon priority for a pure sniper rifle. It has a relatively light barrel profile; its precision is good, but not exceptional.


The IA Ghataks as of now are the only ones outside SF to possess The Galil Sniper rifle, again a semi-automatic gun.

Hopefully F-INSAS will also incorporate a better sniper rifle as compared to the existing ones.

The BSF holds a few Vidhwansak Anti-material rifles for bunker busting operations, but no news of them ever being used for COIN ops. The army had a few NTW-20s but at 31kg, are too heavy for easy deployment in difficult terrain.

 

[ALBY]

How is the reception off galatz sniper in SF compared to older SVD? But going by the weight,,range and stopping power SVD seems to be better than both galatz and PSG.Any way obtaining sniper grade ammo for SVD is a problem plus MOD is not concerned about it too as usual.