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Get kicked out of every country(except us), but its never their fault.:troll:
Last year I visited KL. And I went to a synagogue in Kochi, the oldest synagogue in the sub-continent.
There are still descendents of jews there. I saw many. They can be recognized, they look kinda like us, but not quite, these are not the european looking jews, these are the original middle eastern looking jews. And they speak Malayalam with a weird accent. :D

Haven't been kicked out or harmed in any way for 2k+ years. Probably the only place on earth (including israel) where jews have been treated so kindly.
 

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Aryans as defined by german lala land in the 1930's are as followsIn the context of 19th century physical anthropology and scientific racism, the term "Aryan race" has been misapplied to all people descended from the Proto-Indo-Europeans – a subgroup of the Europidor "Caucasian" race,[14][15] in addition to the Indo-Iranians (who are the only people known to have used Arya as an endonym in ancient times). This usage was considered to include most modern inhabitants of Australasia, the Caucasus, Central Asia, Europe, Latin America, North America, Siberia, South Asia, Southern Africa, and West Asia.[16] Such claims became increasingly common during the early 19th century,
Seriously I dont find Indians anything like Europeans. Some Northern & Southern Indian people may look like eastern European or from Mediterranean. OTOH Some of the southern Americans/egyptian look a lot like Indians
 
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Aryans are people of Indo-Iranic origin. Of course they are all mixed to various degrees all over the Indian-subcontinent and Iranic plateau at present age.

It is just weird that Germans and euros claim to be "aryan."
If anybody has a claim to "aryan" it is us the Indians, nepalis, and misguided ones, Banglas, paks, afghans, tajiks, iranians.

Iran means "aryan". Similarly the russian region Alania and the ancient alans (an iranic tribe), their name also cognate with iran/aryan.

Anyway I digress.
Yes you are correct :) Iran(Asura) - India(Sura). <------Though latter part - a reality -- waters down some virulent Bhimwaadi /dravidvaadi theories where they state Asuras were term used by high caste/Ayan Northies to denote Low caste/Southies
 

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Yes you are correct :) Iran(Asura) - India(Sura). <------Though latter part - a reality -- waters down some virulent Bhimwaadi /dravidvaadi theories where they state Asuras were term used by high caste/Ayan Northies to denote Low caste/Southies
I agree with this point you made (asura/deva), but there are other points.
Lets not go there now. There is a wonderful thread here filled with expletives for that.
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Last year I visited KL. And I went to a synagogue in Kochi, the oldest synagogue in the sub-continent.
There are still descendents of jews there. I saw many. They can be recognized, they look kinda like us, but not quite, these are not the european looking jews, these are the original middle eastern looking jews. And they speak Malayalam with a weird accent. :D

Haven't been kicked out or harmed in any way for 2k+ years. Probably the only place on earth (including israel) where jews have been treated so kindly.
The cochin jewry that @Razor chettan is refering to are called Ashkanazi jews or perdesi jews in local parlance the jewry of cochin was especially powerful with access to the whos who of the cochin royal court so much so it is said that once when the king of cochin and the Portuguese were in war and a certain battle was to be joined on saturday but the Jewish commanders prayed to the king to postpone the battle as it was tje day of the sabath and the couldn't fight and duly the king did not fight the battle and postponed the same this favour to the jews won the king cochin the suberquite the king of the jews from the Portuguese

The jews of cochin spoke a veration of malayalam called , Judeo-Malayalam Unlike many Jewish languages, Judeo-Malayalam is not written using the Hebrew alphabet. It does, however, like most Jewish languages, contain a large number of Hebrewloanwords, which are regularly transliterated, as much as possible, using the Malayalam script. Like many other Jewish languages, Judeo-Malayalam also contains a number of lexical, phonological and syntactic archaisms, in this case, from the days before Malayalam became fully distinguished from Tamil.
 

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I agree with this point you made (asura/deva), but there are other points.
Lets not go there now. There is a wonderful thread here filled with expletives for that.
:)
sure.. IIRC been part of it online and offline. Was able to enlighten few
 

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The cochin jewry that @Razor chettan is refering to are called Ashkanazi jews or perdesi jews in local parlance the jewry of cochin was especially powerful with access to the whos who of the cochin royal court so much so it is said that once when the king of cochin and the Portuguese were in war and a certain battle was to be joined on saturday but the Jewish commanders prayed to the king to postpone the battle as it was tje day of the sabath and the couldn't fight and duly the king did not fight the battle and postponed the same this favour to the jews won the king cochin the suberquite the king of the jews from the Portuguese

The jews of cochin spoke a veration of malayalam called , Judeo-Malayalam Unlike many Jewish languages, Judeo-Malayalam is not written using the Hebrew alphabet. It does, however, like most Jewish languages, contain a large number of Hebrewloanwords, which are regularly transliterated, as much as possible, using the Malayalam script. Like many other Jewish languages, Judeo-Malayalam also contains a number of lexical, phonological and syntactic archaisms, in this case, from the days before Malayalam became fully distinguished from Tamil.
Thanks, did not know these details.
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What are "aryan" looks? "Arya" in sanskrit would often be used to mean similar to "cultured"/"civilized"/"principled" and Anarya pronounced as "Un-Arya" as opposite.
Whatever the definition , Hitler does not look aryan at all :) In his twisted mind perfect aryans were of course blond with blue eyes, scandinavian looks.

I remember watching a fun documentary from a German half Ghanaian woman looking for real Aryans in Iran , among other epic encounters.

 

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@Tactical Frog "Aryans" as race concept was brought by colonists to India, which is often used by Leftists and other Anarchists to use as broom to beat Majoritarians by. Funnily before that hardly any stress was laid on "Arya" or "Arya-ness" except that word was to be found in our ancient religious text books like Veda or Ramayana or Mahabharata(words like Arya-Putra(Son of Arya), Aryavrat(Land of Arya aka India)).

Hitler salivated Asian countries like India, whose occupation & loot propelled Britain from scum of Europe to World Power. So it was just a weird strategy propagated by Hitler which was lapped up by some humiliated Germans(by world war 1 treaty) and some inferiority complex suffering enslaved asians.

The Iranians in the video barring dress, feature wise look very similar to Indians. Though Indians in general have darker(thankfully) skin tone. And video was in German language hence could not understand. PS: I learnt German for a week and know only two sentences "Guten Tag" and "mein name ist"
 

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Let's not forget, Hitler was not German ! hardly looks aryan, a bit "alpine" maybe.
Let's not forget, Hitler was not German ! hardly looks aryan, a bit "alpine" maybe.
Hitler was born in Austria. Shares the same bloodline as germans. And aryan looks? What exactly are those? Also, do all germans look aryan? Have you seen their faces?
 

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Whatever the definition , Hitler does not look aryan at all :) In his twisted mind perfect aryans were of course blond with blue eyes, scandinavian looks.

I remember watching a fun documentary from a German half Ghanaian woman looking for real Aryans in Iran , among other epic encounters.

Then you mean to say scandinavians, not aryans. You can call all euros scandinavians if you wish but not aryans. Scandinavians are not aryans.
 

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Then you mean to say scandinavians, not aryans. You can call all euros scandinavians if you wish but not aryans. Scandinavians are not aryans.
I just mean to say that Hitler did not look "aryan" according his own vision of how Aryans look. :scared1:


@Tactical Frog "Aryans" as race concept was brought by colonists to India, which is often used by Leftists and other Anarchists to use as broom to beat Majoritarians by. Funnily before that hardly any stress was laid on "Arya" or "Arya-ness" except that word was to be found in our ancient religious text books like Veda or Ramayana or Mahabharata(words like Arya-Putra(Son of Arya), Aryavrat(Land of Arya aka India)).

Hitler salivated Asian countries like India, whose occupation & loot propelled Britain from scum of Europe to World Power. So it was just a weird strategy propagated by Hitler which was lapped up by some humiliated Germans(by world war 1 treaty) and some inferiority complex suffering enslaved asians.

The Iranians in the video barring dress, feature wise look very similar to Indians. Though Indians in general have darker(thankfully) skin tone. And video was in German language hence could not understand. PS: I learnt German for a week and know only two sentences "Guten Tag" and "mein name ist"
Sorry, could not find an English version ... the Iranians in this remote part of the country consider themselves as aryans. They are all shocked by the treatment reserved by Hitler to Jews also.
 

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I just mean to say that Hitler did not look "aryan" according his own vision of how Aryans look. :scared1:




Sorry, could not find an English version ... the Iranians in this remote part of the country consider themselves as aryans. They are all shocked by the treatment reserved by Hitler to Jews also.
Aryan are not a race but civilization, they are present in many area like central Asia, India, Russia, Europe etc. Most importantly they do not have blue eyes but black or brown with black or brown hairs not blonde. Hitler thinking of Aryan is completely wrong and what more showing is most people believe it.
@Tactical Frog "Aryans" as race concept was brought by colonists to India, which is often used by Leftists and other Anarchists to use as broom to beat Majoritarians by. Funnily before that hardly any stress was laid on "Arya" or "Arya-ness" except that word was to be found in our ancient religious text books like Veda or Ramayana or Mahabharata(words like Arya-Putra(Son of Arya), Aryavrat(Land of Arya aka India)).

Hitler salivated Asian countries like India, whose occupation & loot propelled Britain from scum of Europe to World Power. So it was just a weird strategy propagated by Hitler which was lapped up by some humiliated Germans(by world war 1 treaty) and some inferiority complex suffering enslaved asians.

The Iranians in the video barring dress, feature wise look very similar to Indians. Though Indians in general have darker(thankfully) skin tone. And video was in German language hence could not understand. PS: I learnt German for a week and know only two sentences "Guten Tag" and "mein name ist"
Aryan are very early civilization, rather then race they are connected by culture which mostly is now lost due to time and repeated invasion, hopefully we are completely able to translate the material of that age.
 

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Aryan are very early civilization, rather then race they are connected by culture which mostly is now lost due to time and repeated invasion, hopefully we are completely able to translate the material of that age.
Yes Arya was a way of life, a culture-- not race.
 

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Sorry, could not find an English version ... the Iranians in this remote part of the country consider themselves as aryans. They are all shocked by the treatment reserved by Hitler to Jews also.
Iranians are anything but pure aryans now. Most of them have arab or mongolian genes in them.
 

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I don't understand why we are talking about Aryans on a thread that talks about afghanistan's future?
 

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Russians are brave and proud people...West tried to intimidate and devalue these courageous people...put sanctions on them to destroy their economy. .instigated rebels in Georgia in2008 and Ukraine in 2015-16. What is the outcome ? Russians did not cave to pressure. .not only they protected their motherland but made the west fail in their terror sponsoring troublemakers in Georgia and Ukraine.
I will always prefer Russian people over throat cutting al quida and ISIS evil people.
 

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Afghan government controls just 57 percent of its territory, U.S. watchdog says


Aerial picture of an Afghan landscape taken on Sept. 26, 2012. JEFF PACHOUD/AFP/Getty Images

The U.S. government's main watchdog organization in Afghanistan released its quarterly report to Congress this week, and it contained a shocking statistic: The government of Afghanistan has uncontested control over only 57 percent of its territory as of last November. That is down from 72 percent a year earlier.

The war in Afghanistan has proved to be the United States' lengthiest and costliest to date. Barack Obama campaigned for president on wrapping it up, but the emergence of the Islamic State in Afghanistan, as well as the resurgence of the Taliban and al-Qaeda, have prolonged the U.S. troop presence. There are about 8,400 U.S. troops in Afghanistan, more than in any other war zone in the world.



The report, by the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction (SIGAR), notes that the loss of territory is probably because of a strategic shift made by the United States, NATO and their Afghan National Army partners. In the past year, their troops have abandoned remote outposts and started bolstering defenses around provincial capitals instead. Taliban and other militants have attempted at least eight times to capture those capitals.

Nevertheless, the report paints a stark picture of struggle for the United States and its allies. Key provinces that have major roads linking the country, such as Helmand, Kunduz and Uruzgan, are heavily contested. Just in the past month, militants carried out numerous strikes in Afghanistan's main cities, including a bombing of a mosque in Kabul that killed 50 and an attack in Kandahar that killed five diplomats from the United Arab Emirates, among others.



A third of the population, or 9.2 million Afghans, live in contested districts, according to the SIGAR report.

Civilian deaths hit record numbers last year. A grim toll has been exacted upon Afghan security forces as well, with at least 6,785 soldiers and police killed and 11,777 wounded through November last year, SIGAR reported. Nine U.S. troops died in Afghanistan last year. The United States spends about $3.8 billion in security assistance in Afghanistan annually.

The war in Afghanistan has resulted in a grinding stalemate, with the government unable to maintain control. Newly inaugurated President Trump has at times seemed to be of two minds as to his intentions regarding the war.

“I would stay in Afghanistan,” Trump said in an interview with Fox News Channellast year. “I hate doing it. I hate doing it so much. But again, you have nuclear weapons in Pakistan, so I would do it.”

The fighting and ceding of territory has triggered a humanitarian crisis for millions of internally displaced Afghans. Their numbers have swelled, and they have combined with hundreds of thousands of Afghans returning from refugee camps in Pakistan, where they are no longer welcome.

“We are talking about at least 1.2 million people on the move. They get some blankets and food, pots and pans, tent materials, enough for the first few months. But what happens after that?” Dominic Parker, head of office for the U.N. humanitarian coordinating agency in Kabul, told The Washington Post's Pamela Constable.

Parker's agency is trying to raise more than half a billion dollars to cope with the crisis. U.N. officials expect a third of the country's population to need some kind of aid this year, a 13 percent increase over last year.

Among other mostly dispiriting findings, SIGAR found that in 2016, Afghan opium production rose 43 percent over 2015 levels and poppy eradication results were the lowest this decade. The Afghan attorney general refused to enforce or continue investigating an enormous corruption scandal at the country's biggest bank, and in one province, Badakhshan, nearly 7 in 10 government appointments were based on patronage, not merit, the watchdog agency found.

“Over the past five years, SIGAR investigators have uncovered a widespread, intricate pattern of criminal activity that pervaded the Humanitarian Assistance Yard at Bagram Airfield,” the report said. “U.S. military personnel, stateside contacts, and local Afghans had conspired in bribery, fraud, kickbacks, and money laundering for years as new personnel were assigned there and, in some cases, adopted the corrupt practices of their predecessors or new colleagues.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ory-says-u-s-watchdog/?utm_term=.b02cd6508484
 

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Modi Condemns Taliban Attack on Afghan Army Base, Vows to Help Injured
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In his letter to Afghanistan President Ashraf Ghani, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi reiterated New Delhi’s support to Kabul in fighting terror. Experts said India should scale up its contribution to Afghanistan and actively engage with Russia, which has upped the great game in the country.

New Delhi (Sputnik) — In a series of tweets, Ministry of External Affairs spokesperson Gopal Baglay said that PM Modi has also offered all possible assistance for those injured in the Mazar-i-Sharif terror attack on April 21. The death toll has gone up to 140 in the attack.

Modi described the attack as “barbaric” and offered medical support to the victims. Since the fall of the Taliban in 2001, India has contributed more than $3 billion in relief and aid to Afghanistan.


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In recent years, India has even supplied military hardware to the Afghan government and that should be scaled up by India along with more active engagement with Russia, which is making outreach efforts for a negotiated settlement in the country.

“We should supply weapons, combat helicopters, more training to Afghan National Army," P. Stobdan, former diplomat and noted defense expert on Central Asia, told Sputnik. "We have so far done a lot in constructive civilian engagement, building roads, hospitals and many things. But we also need to focus on the military side of the conflict, where Afghans need crucial support. We also need to factor in Russian presence and influence in the country now and it is good our Defense Minister Arun Jaitley is visiting Moscow now and it will be followed by Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s June visit to St. Petersburg conference. I hope that Afghanistan will feature in bilateral talks between leaders.”

Stobdan last served in Kyrgyzstan as India’s Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary and is currently a Senior Fellow at New Delhi-based Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses.




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India needs to revamp its strategy in Afghanistan and avoid putting all eggs in one basket, like in the past, when New Delhi thought that aligning with the US alone could solve the problems, he said.

“We need to do an honest assessment of who are the major players in Afghanistan today. The US is there and it won’t leave it. But we also need to realize that Russia, along with China, has huge stakes in the country,” Stobdan said.

“The terrorist attack is a stark reminder of the need to immediately dismantle the safe havens and sanctuaries that support and sustain terrorism in Afghanistan from outside its borders,” the Ministry of External Affairs said in a statement earlier.

The Taliban is suspected to be involved in the Mazar-i-Sharif attack of April 21, which took place as the Afghan National Army troops were at prayer, and therefore, unarmed.

Considered one of the deadliest attacks on Afghan security forces, it comes days after the US dropped its largest non-nuclear bomb in Afghanistan’s eastern Nangarhar province targeting Daesh terrorists.

https://sputniknews.com/asia/201704241052945501-modi-taliban-attack-base/
 

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India needs to revamp its strategy in Afghanistan and avoid putting all eggs in one basket, like in the past, when New Delhi thought that aligning with the US alone could solve the problems, he said.
Lol Sputnik. I thought in the Past we put all out eggs in the Russkie basket and are now paying a dear price by being blackmailed over the equipment we bought from them.
 

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