Indian PM accepts invitation to visit Pakistan, says Fahim

[ejazr]

Its funny how even though no confirmation has come through or any press statement has been made about either side on a PM visit and people have started taking the visit as a done deal.

Even Fahim has said that no date has been scheduled. Unless some solid deals are finalized on any issue - trade, terrorism, border mgmt e.t.c, there will be no PM level visit.

As agentperry said, sticking you head in the sand and trying to pretend Pakistan doesn't exist is a foolish strategy. Ofcourse, personally I think GoI should be spending more time on our easter flank with Bangladesh, Myanmar and Sri Lanka to improve our relations rather than give an inordinate amount of time to Pakistan.

Given that India is signing a strategic pact to train security forces in Afghanistan - a big leap when such a commitment is made publicly; the GoI and Manmohan is carefully playing the game of strategic encirclement. And pushing trade including transit trade through to Pakistan is part of it. And if you believe Musharraf, Manmohan may already have activated RAW assets that are/were supporting Baloch insurgents in Af/Pak region. All indicating to a carrots and stick approach to Pakistan and trying to make the best out of a hopeless situation.

Finally, it actually doesn't require a lot of courage to be hostile to Pakistan. That is easy because that is the public opinion. What requires courage is going again the public opinion on an issue which as a visionary he feels is necessary to be resolved.
Vajpayee also invited Musharraf AFTER Kargil and this was a much bigger and more blatant attempt by Pakistan to attack India. We also lost many more lives albeit mainly soldiers in that incident. But 2 years down the track he was talking peace with the same man who had planned Kargil. He may have been wrong in trying but it did take courage on the part of Vajpayee to do so because he was going against public opinion.

 

[lord]

inflation and price rise is eveywhere not only in india.

But only India has a superman economist as a prime minister.. you say all development in india is becoz of him.. then he should be able to solve inflation and all..

first of all indian economy was liberalized in 1991/1992 by MMS where is BJP in picture

he is just one man.. that whole policy shift from socialism to free market was result of efforts of many people..he had little say in it..

stop worshiping him and accept he has terribly failed on all fronts.. be it economy [which some say is his forte] , clean governance, foreign policy[especially wrt pakistan]..
its good that u appreciate mms for being an honest and knowledgeable fellow.. but criticizing is also imp.. we need a prime minister who is strong and righteous.. not a sadhu to run our country..

 

[ejazr]

^^^First of all, the topic is about the Indian PM ostensibly visiting Pakistan so lets not go off topic. Secondly, I think its internationall acknowledged that after China, India has performed the best in the worst financial crisis since the Great depression. In fact in 2010, India beat China in GDP growth rate according to the world bank albeit very slight at 10.4% vs China's 10.3% (India outpaces China: Winning the growth World Cup | The Economist)

Coming back to the topic, this is the media report from our side and the official briefing that was done by Anand Sharma and Amin Fahim

India, Pak to double trade to $6 b in 3 yrs, liberalise terms for business visas - Economic Times

NEW DELHI: India and Pakistan have agreed to double trade to $6 billion in three years by normalising bilateral business relations, but Pakistan did not commit to a time-line for ending its non-discriminatory trade regime with India.

Commerce ministers from both countries met in New Delhi on Wednesday and decided to liberalise terms for issuing business visas soon by allowing multiple entry to more than one city. The two also decided to work on allowing investments from each other's countries and encouraging joint ventures. "We engaged in a frank, open and constructive manner and our discussions will define the future roadmap of our engagement," commerce minister Anand Sharma told reporters after the bilateral meeting, adding that the visit of a commerce minister from Pakistan after 35 years reaffirmed growing understanding between the two countries.

India also agreed to drop its objections to a flood relief package that the EU wanted to extend to Pakistan in the form of sops for textile items. "In the next meeting of the WTO, we will express our support for the package," Sharma said. India had objected to the package on the ground that it would benefit only textile exporters from Pakistan and was not aimed at giving relief to flood victims.

Pakistani commerce minister Makhdoom Mohammad Amin Fahim invited Sharma to visit his country during the Safta (South Asia Free Trade Agreement) ministerial later this year. The joint communique stated that the two sides agreed that all mutual obligations contracted under Safta would be implemented with full sincerity. What was lacking, however, was a timeline for Pakistan to meet its obligation of extending the most favoured nation status to India mandatory under Safta.

It means that Pakistan would allow import of all goods from India except those included in a narrow negative list on favourable terms — the same treatment it gives to other Safta members. Pakistan allows imports of only 1,934 items from India contained in a positive list against more than 6,000 items allowed from other countries.

During the commerce secretaries meeting in April this year, Pakistan had committed to trading with India on the basis of a negative list separately crafted for India by October, and later move on to a MFN regime.

 

[Blackwater]

But only India has a superman economist as a prime minister.. you say all development in india is becoz of him.. then he should be able to solve inflation and all..






stop worshiping him and accept he has terribly failed on all fronts.. be it economy [which some say is his forte] , clean governance, foreign policy[especially wrt pakistan]..
its good that u appreciate mms for being an honest and knowledgeable fellow.. but criticizing is also imp.. we need a prime minister who is strong and righteous.. not a sadhu to run our country..

India is not a isolated country.economy is not name of text books, you read at schools. There are demand supply, FDI,international trade,credit rating etc.

If this is the case why Indian market crash even when ammerica sneeze

study the concept of economic first

He is doing best what ever he can. Don't blame him for all the scams happening in congress and its allies.

 

[maomao]

India is not a isolated country.economy is not name of text books, you read at schools. There are demand supply, FDI,international trade,credit rating etc.

If this is the case why Indian market crash even when ammerica sneeze

study the concept of economic first

He is doing best what ever he can. Don't blame him for all the scams happening in congress and its allies.

Bro, If that's the case then any self-respecting human being would have resigned from the post of PM and put the onus on Corrupt congress, not stick his lower back to the PM's chair and long for other facilities rendered to his family members! I suspect much more rot associated with him which is not known to the common man. This BS - ' Oh I am so honest, it's the corrupt ministers who are swindling all the poor man's money and I am just a rubber stamp, hence don't blame me if Congress loots the country, I can't do shyt, cus its coalition Dharma and I am here to serve my masters not my countrymen! Who are you (MMS)? Not congress appointed stooge?

He may be whatever, but one thing I am sure is that he is too shameless to be true! He has made all punjabis ashamed, he is truly a - 'Kath ka Ullu'.

 

[Blackwater]

Bro, If that's the case then any self-respecting human being would have resigned from the post of PM and put the onus on Corrupt congress, not stick his lower back to the PM's chair and long for other facilities rendered to his family members! I suspect much more rot associated with him which is not known to the common man. This BS - ' Oh I am so honest, it's the corrupt ministers who are swindling all the poor man's money and I am just a rubber stamp, hence don't blame me if Congress loots the country, I can't do shyt, cus its coalition Dharma and I am here to serve my masters not my countrymen! Who are you (MMS)? Not congress appointed stooge?

He may be whatever, but one thing I am sure is that he is too shameless to be true! He has made all punjabis ashamed, he is truly a - 'Kath ka Ullu'.

Yaar the problem is Soniya darling. MMS may be ready to step down but who will be the next pm. she cant put Rahul there right now, its too early, others are dangerous for her.she don't trust others. so, MMS is the only person who is sharif and honest and trustworthy to Sonia.This might be the reason he is still hanging around.

He is not Punjabi but Assamese .

What i see in my sixth sense. MMS will suffer some medical problem, will step down.

A honest person like him can't handle scams and insults

 

[nrj]

Vajpayee also invited Musharraf AFTER Kargil and this was a much bigger and more blatant attempt by Pakistan to attack India. We also lost many more lives albeit mainly soldiers in that incident. But 2 years down the track he was talking peace with the same man who had planned Kargil. He may have been wrong in trying but it did take courage on the part of Vajpayee to do so because he was going against public opinion.

For that people wanted to award ABV with a Nobel Peace price. But when MMS visiting Pak, he's idiot, a disgrace to nation.

Double standard at its best! :lie:

 

[Tshering22]

MMS is not accepting... Sonia is accepting. MMS just has to go. After all, it is Madam G's wish.

 

[Param]

MMS is not accepting... Sonia is accepting. MMS just has to go. After all, it is Madam G's wish.

MMS should have left by now after almost a year of turmoil.Madam does not have a safer choice than MMS. PC and Pranab were hoping for the best. PC is waiting for the SC move regarding 2G note issue. Pranab seems to have a bright future.

 

[mayfair]

For that people wanted to award ABV with a Nobel Peace price. But when MMS visiting Pak, he's idiot, a disgrace to nation.

Double standard at its best! :lie:

ABV received a lot of criticism from many folks for the Agra fiasco. MMS rightly deserves the brickbats he's getting.

ABV reacted to Kargil with force and Parliament attack with Op Parakram (whose merits and demerits have been done to death)

MMS reacted to Mumbai with a whimper, never losing sleep on the deaths of so many people.

ABV was and is a mass leader, not a pliable appointee, who found himself in the top job because of the absence backbone, a mass base and conviction.

And if we are going to dig up the past, Rajiv Gandhi invited Zia during the height of Punjab terrorism

Indira Gandhi's follies at Shimla are well documented.

These actions were well criticised, so why this hullabaloo when MMS's series of scandals are being critiqued?

 

[lord]

India is not a isolated country.economy is not name of text books, you read at schools. There are demand supply, FDI,international trade,credit rating etc.

If this is the case why Indian market crash even when ammerica sneeze

study the concept of economic first
.

I took your suggestion and studied the concept of economics.. i found two things..
1.. increasing fuel prices twofold increases transport and all other costs by threefold.. if the govt is capable it[a fourth largest economy is sure cap[able] should provide subsidy on fuel prices atleast..
2.. allowing exports in a country like india will always result in price rise in domestic market.. becoz there is always better value offered for goods in foreign market due to lower value of indian currency..

He is doing best what ever he can. .

an average man doing best is not enough.. we need extraordinary people doing their average for the post of prime minister..

Don't blame him for all the scams happening in congress and its allies

why not? if he is so honest why is he even working and defending corrupt ministers? he can resign from govt and congress..

a president is a rubber stamp by nature of our constitution.. we dont need our prime minister also to be rubber stamp..

 

[agentperry]

the price rise is a global phenomenon. its happening in china and causing lots of unrest. its happening everywhere and india is still maintaining it at sub 10% level, which is a good work if not a distinguishing work.
the policies are not entirely decided by these policy makers. its made by secretaries who just get a directive from the ministers. these directives are in turn influenced by the consultancy of secretaries. the posture India adopts toward pakistan and china is after weeks of discussion and consultation from forces and defence and foreign secretaries.
the system is not a panchayat which many among us thinks.

many of the commodities are getting costlier and this is because of global demand and supply problem. oil price was $25 before war on afghan and iraq but it is now touches $140 at its will. food. see the population of world. the global pricing encourage the exporter to stimulate domestic pricing to internally unstable level. India is not a closed economy like it was till 1991. it needs to estb coherency between internal and international economics.

moreover how many of you were staunch supporter of congress prior to recession of 2007 when India was heading for 10% growth and all good news related to Indian trade and influence was featuring every day prime time shows. its very easy to point finger at a person and puts him fully accountable for events which are totally out of an individual's hand.

 

[nrj]

ABV received a lot of criticism from many folks for the Agra fiasco. MMS rightly deserves the brickbats he's getting.

ABV reacted to Kargil with force and Parliament attack with Op Parakram (whose merits and demerits have been done to death)

MMS reacted to Mumbai with a whimper, never losing sleep on the deaths of so many people.

ABV was and is a mass leader, not a pliable appointee, who found himself in the top job because of the absence backbone, a mass base and conviction.

And if we are going to dig up the past, Rajiv Gandhi invited Zia during the height of Punjab terrorism

Indira Gandhi's follies at Shimla are well documented.

These actions were well criticised, so why this hullabaloo when MMS's series of scandals are being critiqued?

Just visiting Pak does not make any PM an idiot. Its double standard if you single out MMS.

Rest of the points are irrelevant on this thread.