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Sour grape is always hard to eat.
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I don't think propaganda was the intention of this thread...
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read above your post,
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really 'kick ok' ! sour grapes, that too the Chinese navy, where you still float Romeo class submarines as part of your fleet, seriously floating junkyard, and old soviet designs, painted with led paint aint going to impress us chicom! Now go earn your 2 yuans !
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It is Gulf of Aden, West of Arabian Sea, not the IOR.
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All these pics seem to be coming out of the propaganda wing of the PLA and PLAAN. I have never seen ships on sea so spick and span, with motorcycle tyres without a speck of dirt right out of the cleaning bay ready for inspection and a photo session.
Chinese navy sends escort fleet to Gulf of Aden - CHINA ARMY
these ships will just pass through the Indian Ocian and head for the Gulf of Aden for the escort mission...
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China's string of pearls vs india's iron curtain in the indian ocean.
India Defence Update: Article
.
India will have "to cope with the Rise of China"
and as the respected journalist and former media
adviser to the PM Dr Manmohan Singh who
recently returned from China Sanjaya Baru stated
at a prestigious seminar in New Delhi on 16th
April, "Indians will have to accept China is miles
ahead of India". The only major advantage India
has is its strategic geographic locale jutting into
the Indian Ocean, new friends in the West,a very
intelligent though undisciplined people and a fine
expanding Navy which needs nurturing and is the
envy of China.
China's 1st October National Day Parade loaded
with military power on display has been
commented upon by the Economist as, "The
world has accepted that China is emerging as a
great power; it is a pity that it still does not always
act as one", and goes on to say, " for many
Chinese, daily life remains a grim struggle, and
their government rapacious, arbitrary and
corrupt. Take that spectacular parade. What
message was it meant to convey to an awestruck
world? China is a huge, newly emerging force on
the world scene. And it is unapologetically
authoritarian, as were Japan and Prussia, whose
rises in the late 19th century were hardly trouble-
free."
In recent years, a number of analysts have
drawn attention to the similarities of nationalism
between the rise of modern China and the rise of
Wilhelmine Germany a century ago. Newsweek's
Fareed Zakaria, commented that "like Germany in
the late 19th century, China is also growing
rapidly but uncertainly into a global system in
which it feels it deserves more attention and
honor. The Chinese military is a powerful political
player, as was the Prussian officer corps. Like
Wilhelmine Germany, the Chinese regime is
trying to hold on to political power even as it
unleashes forces in society that make its control
increasingly shaky."
This is where India, and Indian Ocean come in.
The strategic thinker Mahan had prophesised that
the future of the world in the 21st Century would
be decided on the waters of the Indian Ocean and
India's expansion of its maritime power and Navy
and inroads in to the Indian Ocean Region (IOR) is
very much on China's radar. A US researcher
from Boston Consulting had coined China's
investment in ports like Gwadar in Pakistan,
Hambantota in Sri Lanka, Sittwe in Mynmar and
Chittagong in Bangla Desh as a 'String of Pearls' to
encircle India, noting the pearls in the string can
be increased, and China made overtures to lease
an island in the Seychelles, which India appears to
have thwarted.
The recent India- China sparring match on
intrusions on the border, issuance of visas on
separate paper arbitrarily by the Chinese Embassy
to Kashmiris, and India's service chiefs
commenting on India's order of battle(ORBAT) vis
a vis China seems to be the flavor of the times,
and needs to be introspected. The sparring had
actually begun earlier, with the Chinese
Ambassador's orchestrated claims on Arunachal
and Tawang, and China's strong objections in the
ADB forum to block India's developmental loan.
In 2006 Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh
speaking at the Commander's conference , had
made a policy statement when he stated, "India's
growing international stature gives it strategic
relevance in the area ranging from the Persian
Gulf to the Straits of Malacca "¦..India has
exploited the fluidities of the emerging world
order to forge new links through a combination
of diplomatic repositioning, economic resurgence
and military firmness". Many dubbed this as
India's 'Singh Doctrine', and China took note of
this.
In May 2009 at the Shangri 'la Dialogue in
Singapore, the Chief of Naval Staff Admiral
Sureesh Mehta confirmed the role of the Indian
Navy in the Indian Ocean in his key note address
as, "We see the Indian Navy as a significant
stabilising force in the Indian Ocean region, which
safeguards traffic bound not only for our own
ports, but also the flow of hydrocarbons and
strategically important cargo to and from the rest
of the world across the strategic waterways close
to our shores"¦..And so, the safety of SLOCS will
always remain a priority for India in the
foreseeable future.".
.
.
for full article please visit above link
India Defence Update: Article
.
India will have "to cope with the Rise of China"
and as the respected journalist and former media
adviser to the PM Dr Manmohan Singh who
recently returned from China Sanjaya Baru stated
at a prestigious seminar in New Delhi on 16th
April, "Indians will have to accept China is miles
ahead of India". The only major advantage India
has is its strategic geographic locale jutting into
the Indian Ocean, new friends in the West,a very
intelligent though undisciplined people and a fine
expanding Navy which needs nurturing and is the
envy of China.
China's 1st October National Day Parade loaded
with military power on display has been
commented upon by the Economist as, "The
world has accepted that China is emerging as a
great power; it is a pity that it still does not always
act as one", and goes on to say, " for many
Chinese, daily life remains a grim struggle, and
their government rapacious, arbitrary and
corrupt. Take that spectacular parade. What
message was it meant to convey to an awestruck
world? China is a huge, newly emerging force on
the world scene. And it is unapologetically
authoritarian, as were Japan and Prussia, whose
rises in the late 19th century were hardly trouble-
free."
In recent years, a number of analysts have
drawn attention to the similarities of nationalism
between the rise of modern China and the rise of
Wilhelmine Germany a century ago. Newsweek's
Fareed Zakaria, commented that "like Germany in
the late 19th century, China is also growing
rapidly but uncertainly into a global system in
which it feels it deserves more attention and
honor. The Chinese military is a powerful political
player, as was the Prussian officer corps. Like
Wilhelmine Germany, the Chinese regime is
trying to hold on to political power even as it
unleashes forces in society that make its control
increasingly shaky."
This is where India, and Indian Ocean come in.
The strategic thinker Mahan had prophesised that
the future of the world in the 21st Century would
be decided on the waters of the Indian Ocean and
India's expansion of its maritime power and Navy
and inroads in to the Indian Ocean Region (IOR) is
very much on China's radar. A US researcher
from Boston Consulting had coined China's
investment in ports like Gwadar in Pakistan,
Hambantota in Sri Lanka, Sittwe in Mynmar and
Chittagong in Bangla Desh as a 'String of Pearls' to
encircle India, noting the pearls in the string can
be increased, and China made overtures to lease
an island in the Seychelles, which India appears to
have thwarted.
The recent India- China sparring match on
intrusions on the border, issuance of visas on
separate paper arbitrarily by the Chinese Embassy
to Kashmiris, and India's service chiefs
commenting on India's order of battle(ORBAT) vis
a vis China seems to be the flavor of the times,
and needs to be introspected. The sparring had
actually begun earlier, with the Chinese
Ambassador's orchestrated claims on Arunachal
and Tawang, and China's strong objections in the
ADB forum to block India's developmental loan.
In 2006 Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh
speaking at the Commander's conference , had
made a policy statement when he stated, "India's
growing international stature gives it strategic
relevance in the area ranging from the Persian
Gulf to the Straits of Malacca "¦..India has
exploited the fluidities of the emerging world
order to forge new links through a combination
of diplomatic repositioning, economic resurgence
and military firmness". Many dubbed this as
India's 'Singh Doctrine', and China took note of
this.
In May 2009 at the Shangri 'la Dialogue in
Singapore, the Chief of Naval Staff Admiral
Sureesh Mehta confirmed the role of the Indian
Navy in the Indian Ocean in his key note address
as, "We see the Indian Navy as a significant
stabilising force in the Indian Ocean region, which
safeguards traffic bound not only for our own
ports, but also the flow of hydrocarbons and
strategically important cargo to and from the rest
of the world across the strategic waterways close
to our shores"¦..And so, the safety of SLOCS will
always remain a priority for India in the
foreseeable future.".
.
.
for full article please visit above link
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next part of article........
.
Chinese researchers have taken up the gauntlet to
staunchly defend China's String of Pearls, as small
change to developing countries, since it claims
India has built its ports with ADB and World bank
loans, which these countries find difficult to come
by. Chinese naval analyst Zhang Ming recently
proclaimed that the Islands of India's Andaman
and Nicobar Archipelago could be used as a
'metal chain' to block Chinese access to the Straits
of Malacca, and argued that India is building an
'Iron Curtain' in the Indian Ocean Region (IOR),
and ganging up with USA, Japan and Australia in
what is called the Quad. The Japanese used the
Andaman and Nicobar islands in the second
world war as airfields for launching strikes, and
are strategically located.
It is less publicised or talked about, yet the
Chinese cite that in the last two decades India has
stealthily strengthened its involvement in the IOR
which includes the islands of Mauritius, Maldives,
Seychelles, Madagascar and Zanzibar and the rim
states of South Africa, Tanzania and Mozambique
by very deft moves in foreign policy, economic
sops like the double taxation exemption with
Mauritius, and military inroads. Recently Defence
Minister AK Antony visited Maldives and has
promised to set up a radar chain for the country.
This is the classical strategy of gaining influence
by conjoining economic power and perks, with
military diplomacy called 'Showing the Flag', so
well perfected by larger maritime naval powers in
the past. In recent times the Indian Navy has
generously transferred offshore naval patrol
vessels, provided staff and training and refit
facilities and most importantly provided free and
subsidised naval hydrographic support to the
island nations of the IOR, which steps have left
strategic imprints.
The Indian Navy has a very sophisticated
hydrographic branch with 8 large well equipped
survey ships, many survey craft, a large
electronic chart production centre in Dehra Dun
and a world class hydrographic school at Goa
which trains several foreign naval and civilian
personnel annually. Much funding for the Navy's
survey vessels has been contributed by the
Ministry of Shipping, which allowed easier
induction of latest equipment, and a swifter
procurement route than the cumbersome MOD's
DPP-08. As a silent strategic arm of the nation the
Navy's hydrographic branch has made forays in
the IOR to undertake over a dozen survey
assignments for island nations and recently
executed surveys in Oman, and now is set to
assist Saudi Arabia, for which an MOU has been
signed. These successes have almost blocked out
the more expensive western navies that had
provided essentially needed hydrographic
support to the island nations with large coast lines
and EEZ in the past.
The Indian Ocean holds immense significance for
India's development in the 21st century and the
Chatham House paper states, "India's strategy is
deepening not only commercially but due to
concerns over its security and hegemony in the
region, which are underpinned by India's
Maritime Doctrine." The Chinese look at Indian
Navy's gathering of 28 IOR Naval Chiefs including
France, as a riparian state, under one roof at
Indian Ocean Naval Symposium (IONS) in
February 2008 in New Delhi and Goa for a retreat,
as ganging up. The next IONS is being hosted by
the UAE in March 2010 and Rear Admiral Ahmed
Mohammed Al Sabab Chief of the UAE Navy and
a graduate of the Pakistan Naval Acadmey who
visited India in 2009, and will take over the
Chairmanship. The preparatory meeting was held
in Mombasa from 1st October, 2009.
The India Brazil South Africa(IBSA) grouping
which was designed for commercial links,
provision of energy and other resources from
Africa is viewed by China as another grouping. In
recent times China has taken the lead in what is
seen as its 'Scramble for Africas'for resources,
earlier made famous in a book by that title by
Thomas Pakenham. India's maritime military
strategy and the Navy's Maritime doctrine, both
issued by the Indian Navy are clear on the Navy's
responsibility for security support in region. The
outgoing Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Sureesh
Mehta made this amply clear at the Shangri'la
dialogue stating, "Concerted efforts at capability
enhancement and capacity building of the smaller
countries of the region(IOR), through active
assistance of larger neighbours, would be crucial
to such efforts in the long term".
In this endeavour, India has a special relationship
with Mauritius, a fulcrum island state because of
its strong Indian diaspora and instituted a
favourable taxation treaty that makes it India's
largest offshore investor. The Indian Navy set up
the Mauritius Coast Guard in the 70s and
provided ships and personnel. Mauritius has close
security coordination with India, and Chinese and
Pakistan activities in the IOR are closely monitored
by India's intelligence. The India-China
competition to seek influence in the region is set
to intensify as China's cheque book diplomacy
currently finds favour in small African states and
in Sudan and Zimbabwe. Deng's philosophy of '
the colour of the cat does not matter as long as it
catches rats', is still relevant.
When the IOR-ARC, the Arrangement for
Regional Cooperation was formed Mauritius,
Madagascar and Mozambique supported India's
move to block Pakistan's membership and later
China's access to IBSA, though Pakistan is a full
member of IONS. The Indian Navy has also
made in roads to gain over flying and berthing
rights in Oman which holds a strategic position
especially for the fight against piracy off the Gulf
of Aden, and from where India can closely
monitors the SLOCs of Hormuz and Aden. India
has signed to provide piracy patrols to
Mozambique and it was also reported India has
established a listening post in Madagascar in
2007. Chinese highlight these issues.
India's maritime swath is from Aden, the Straits
of Hormuz to the Strait of Malacca as a region of
its watch, and Mahan appears to have seen the
coming importance of this region which provides
70% of the world's hydro carbons. K Santhanam
former Director of the Institute of Defence Studies
and Analysis(IDSA) and one of the architects of
India's nuclear programme as the Project Director
of India's 1998 nuclear blasts, with a back ground
in intelligence and nuclear science, has coined the
C3I theory for India- China relations and needs
heeding. He is convinced India and China will seek
cooperation as China has become India's largest
trade partner totting up $ 40 bill, and yet will
always be in competition for markets and
influence, and in the future confrontation cannot
be ruled out if both nations' interests clash. This
writer feels the world has to be prepared for that
contingency as nation's juggle to balance China
and India, both growing economic powers, in
their overall relations. In this matrix Santhanam
avers Intelligence which includes cyber warfare
will play a major role to ensure which nation
succeeds better to gain influence, hence
Santhanam's C3I theory of cooperation,
competition and possible confrontation is eye
opening for strategic gazers of the scenario. In
this matrix the China- Pakistan nexus and the
future of Afghanistan where India has interests is
also a muddied by military operations against the
Taliban and Al Queda.
China also has a 'Malacca Dilemma', and
contributes generously to the Tripartite Technical
Expert Group (TTEG) of Malaysia, Indonesia and
Singapore that control the Malacca Straits. India
too has contributed $ 1.2 million as a response,
and advanced $ 774,000 to TTEG on 31st March,
2009. What has irked the Chinese is the Indian
Navy's offer to survey wrecks in the Malacca
Straits which has been accepted by the TTEG .
India looks at hydrographic assistance as a
cooperative measure, while China sees this as
strategic move by India by its hydrographic
prowess, which has notched up successes.
The Chinese and Indian swords are sheathed for
the time being, but could be out and India has to
be prepared for the String of Pearls vs the Iron
Curtain debate in what Santhnam has coined as
C3I, for it was Chi Haotin who had said, "Indian
Ocean is not India's Ocean". As the Chinese say
never dig a spear in to the Dragon's eye. India will
have to cope, and add a C to the C3I. Both nations
have internal challenges of rampant poverty, and
it is also been said, India is like boiling water.
Steam and froth on top but rather calm below.
China is like boiling oil, calm above but violent and
seething below. If and when an eruption does
takes place in any nation, it could be violent. The
jury is still not out whether the Chinese top down
approach is superior to India's rather slower,
democratic and consensual approach.
(Cmde (retd) Ranjit B Rai attended Royal Naval
Staff College and is former Director Naval
Intelligence and Operations of the Indian Navy
and author of a Nation and its Navy At War. He
visited China recently on a research trip.)
.
Chinese researchers have taken up the gauntlet to
staunchly defend China's String of Pearls, as small
change to developing countries, since it claims
India has built its ports with ADB and World bank
loans, which these countries find difficult to come
by. Chinese naval analyst Zhang Ming recently
proclaimed that the Islands of India's Andaman
and Nicobar Archipelago could be used as a
'metal chain' to block Chinese access to the Straits
of Malacca, and argued that India is building an
'Iron Curtain' in the Indian Ocean Region (IOR),
and ganging up with USA, Japan and Australia in
what is called the Quad. The Japanese used the
Andaman and Nicobar islands in the second
world war as airfields for launching strikes, and
are strategically located.
It is less publicised or talked about, yet the
Chinese cite that in the last two decades India has
stealthily strengthened its involvement in the IOR
which includes the islands of Mauritius, Maldives,
Seychelles, Madagascar and Zanzibar and the rim
states of South Africa, Tanzania and Mozambique
by very deft moves in foreign policy, economic
sops like the double taxation exemption with
Mauritius, and military inroads. Recently Defence
Minister AK Antony visited Maldives and has
promised to set up a radar chain for the country.
This is the classical strategy of gaining influence
by conjoining economic power and perks, with
military diplomacy called 'Showing the Flag', so
well perfected by larger maritime naval powers in
the past. In recent times the Indian Navy has
generously transferred offshore naval patrol
vessels, provided staff and training and refit
facilities and most importantly provided free and
subsidised naval hydrographic support to the
island nations of the IOR, which steps have left
strategic imprints.
The Indian Navy has a very sophisticated
hydrographic branch with 8 large well equipped
survey ships, many survey craft, a large
electronic chart production centre in Dehra Dun
and a world class hydrographic school at Goa
which trains several foreign naval and civilian
personnel annually. Much funding for the Navy's
survey vessels has been contributed by the
Ministry of Shipping, which allowed easier
induction of latest equipment, and a swifter
procurement route than the cumbersome MOD's
DPP-08. As a silent strategic arm of the nation the
Navy's hydrographic branch has made forays in
the IOR to undertake over a dozen survey
assignments for island nations and recently
executed surveys in Oman, and now is set to
assist Saudi Arabia, for which an MOU has been
signed. These successes have almost blocked out
the more expensive western navies that had
provided essentially needed hydrographic
support to the island nations with large coast lines
and EEZ in the past.
The Indian Ocean holds immense significance for
India's development in the 21st century and the
Chatham House paper states, "India's strategy is
deepening not only commercially but due to
concerns over its security and hegemony in the
region, which are underpinned by India's
Maritime Doctrine." The Chinese look at Indian
Navy's gathering of 28 IOR Naval Chiefs including
France, as a riparian state, under one roof at
Indian Ocean Naval Symposium (IONS) in
February 2008 in New Delhi and Goa for a retreat,
as ganging up. The next IONS is being hosted by
the UAE in March 2010 and Rear Admiral Ahmed
Mohammed Al Sabab Chief of the UAE Navy and
a graduate of the Pakistan Naval Acadmey who
visited India in 2009, and will take over the
Chairmanship. The preparatory meeting was held
in Mombasa from 1st October, 2009.
The India Brazil South Africa(IBSA) grouping
which was designed for commercial links,
provision of energy and other resources from
Africa is viewed by China as another grouping. In
recent times China has taken the lead in what is
seen as its 'Scramble for Africas'for resources,
earlier made famous in a book by that title by
Thomas Pakenham. India's maritime military
strategy and the Navy's Maritime doctrine, both
issued by the Indian Navy are clear on the Navy's
responsibility for security support in region. The
outgoing Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Sureesh
Mehta made this amply clear at the Shangri'la
dialogue stating, "Concerted efforts at capability
enhancement and capacity building of the smaller
countries of the region(IOR), through active
assistance of larger neighbours, would be crucial
to such efforts in the long term".
In this endeavour, India has a special relationship
with Mauritius, a fulcrum island state because of
its strong Indian diaspora and instituted a
favourable taxation treaty that makes it India's
largest offshore investor. The Indian Navy set up
the Mauritius Coast Guard in the 70s and
provided ships and personnel. Mauritius has close
security coordination with India, and Chinese and
Pakistan activities in the IOR are closely monitored
by India's intelligence. The India-China
competition to seek influence in the region is set
to intensify as China's cheque book diplomacy
currently finds favour in small African states and
in Sudan and Zimbabwe. Deng's philosophy of '
the colour of the cat does not matter as long as it
catches rats', is still relevant.
When the IOR-ARC, the Arrangement for
Regional Cooperation was formed Mauritius,
Madagascar and Mozambique supported India's
move to block Pakistan's membership and later
China's access to IBSA, though Pakistan is a full
member of IONS. The Indian Navy has also
made in roads to gain over flying and berthing
rights in Oman which holds a strategic position
especially for the fight against piracy off the Gulf
of Aden, and from where India can closely
monitors the SLOCs of Hormuz and Aden. India
has signed to provide piracy patrols to
Mozambique and it was also reported India has
established a listening post in Madagascar in
2007. Chinese highlight these issues.
India's maritime swath is from Aden, the Straits
of Hormuz to the Strait of Malacca as a region of
its watch, and Mahan appears to have seen the
coming importance of this region which provides
70% of the world's hydro carbons. K Santhanam
former Director of the Institute of Defence Studies
and Analysis(IDSA) and one of the architects of
India's nuclear programme as the Project Director
of India's 1998 nuclear blasts, with a back ground
in intelligence and nuclear science, has coined the
C3I theory for India- China relations and needs
heeding. He is convinced India and China will seek
cooperation as China has become India's largest
trade partner totting up $ 40 bill, and yet will
always be in competition for markets and
influence, and in the future confrontation cannot
be ruled out if both nations' interests clash. This
writer feels the world has to be prepared for that
contingency as nation's juggle to balance China
and India, both growing economic powers, in
their overall relations. In this matrix Santhanam
avers Intelligence which includes cyber warfare
will play a major role to ensure which nation
succeeds better to gain influence, hence
Santhanam's C3I theory of cooperation,
competition and possible confrontation is eye
opening for strategic gazers of the scenario. In
this matrix the China- Pakistan nexus and the
future of Afghanistan where India has interests is
also a muddied by military operations against the
Taliban and Al Queda.
China also has a 'Malacca Dilemma', and
contributes generously to the Tripartite Technical
Expert Group (TTEG) of Malaysia, Indonesia and
Singapore that control the Malacca Straits. India
too has contributed $ 1.2 million as a response,
and advanced $ 774,000 to TTEG on 31st March,
2009. What has irked the Chinese is the Indian
Navy's offer to survey wrecks in the Malacca
Straits which has been accepted by the TTEG .
India looks at hydrographic assistance as a
cooperative measure, while China sees this as
strategic move by India by its hydrographic
prowess, which has notched up successes.
The Chinese and Indian swords are sheathed for
the time being, but could be out and India has to
be prepared for the String of Pearls vs the Iron
Curtain debate in what Santhnam has coined as
C3I, for it was Chi Haotin who had said, "Indian
Ocean is not India's Ocean". As the Chinese say
never dig a spear in to the Dragon's eye. India will
have to cope, and add a C to the C3I. Both nations
have internal challenges of rampant poverty, and
it is also been said, India is like boiling water.
Steam and froth on top but rather calm below.
China is like boiling oil, calm above but violent and
seething below. If and when an eruption does
takes place in any nation, it could be violent. The
jury is still not out whether the Chinese top down
approach is superior to India's rather slower,
democratic and consensual approach.
(Cmde (retd) Ranjit B Rai attended Royal Naval
Staff College and is former Director Naval
Intelligence and Operations of the Indian Navy
and author of a Nation and its Navy At War. He
visited China recently on a research trip.)
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well if you think our pm can do any thing then man you are on wrong track at his age all system refuse to work
sometime i think he is more soft or my country
most time i think what will our leaders will do at war time do they will stay here or they will shift to other country ??
sometime i think he is more soft or my country
most time i think what will our leaders will do at war time do they will stay here or they will shift to other country ??
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China to explore Indian Ocean, India worried
China to explore Indian Ocean, India worried - Rediff.com India News
China has obtained approval to explore a 10,000 sq km polymetallic sulphide ore deposit in an international seabed region in the India [ Images ]n Ocean, much to the disquiet of India.
The China Ocean Mineral Resources Research and Development Association in a statement on Tuesday night said that its application for the exploration of the southwest Indian Ocean region was recently approved by the International Seabed Authority.
Following the approval, the association will sign a 15-year exploration contract with the ISA later this year. China will enjoy pre-emptive rights to develop the ore deposit in the future.
China had also obtained exclusive rights to prospect in a 75,000-square-km polymetallic nodule ore deposit in the east Pacific Ocean in 2001, the state-run Xinhua reported.
The move has already raised concerns in India. The Directorate of Naval Intelligence has reportedly expressed concerns to the government that the contract would provide an excuse for China to operate to operate its warships besides compiling data on the vast mineral resources in India's backyard.
Apparently, in preparation for this, China has stepped up its experiments with the first manned deep sea submersible in the Pacific Ocean, which touched 5,180 meters with three people aboard on Tuesday.
According to the State Oceanic Administration, the submersible named Jiaolong has conducted four dives in the Pacific Ocean since July 21.
Jiaolong is designed to reach a maximum depth of 7,000 meters expected some time next year.
It completed 17 dives in the South China Sea between May 31 and July 18 last year, reaching 3,759 meters during its deepest dive.
China to explore Indian Ocean, India worried - Rediff.com India News
China has obtained approval to explore a 10,000 sq km polymetallic sulphide ore deposit in an international seabed region in the India [ Images ]n Ocean, much to the disquiet of India.
The China Ocean Mineral Resources Research and Development Association in a statement on Tuesday night said that its application for the exploration of the southwest Indian Ocean region was recently approved by the International Seabed Authority.
Following the approval, the association will sign a 15-year exploration contract with the ISA later this year. China will enjoy pre-emptive rights to develop the ore deposit in the future.
China had also obtained exclusive rights to prospect in a 75,000-square-km polymetallic nodule ore deposit in the east Pacific Ocean in 2001, the state-run Xinhua reported.
The move has already raised concerns in India. The Directorate of Naval Intelligence has reportedly expressed concerns to the government that the contract would provide an excuse for China to operate to operate its warships besides compiling data on the vast mineral resources in India's backyard.
Apparently, in preparation for this, China has stepped up its experiments with the first manned deep sea submersible in the Pacific Ocean, which touched 5,180 meters with three people aboard on Tuesday.
According to the State Oceanic Administration, the submersible named Jiaolong has conducted four dives in the Pacific Ocean since July 21.
Jiaolong is designed to reach a maximum depth of 7,000 meters expected some time next year.
It completed 17 dives in the South China Sea between May 31 and July 18 last year, reaching 3,759 meters during its deepest dive.
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Chinese 'spy ship' tracked by India found at Colombo port, Lanka Sunday Times
Thursday, 01 September 2011 14:25
A Chinese spy ship reportedly disguised as a fishing trawler was tracked in the Indian Ocean recently and later traced to the Colombo Port, an Indian media report said.
The ship was detected near the coast of Little Anadaman.
It is believed that the ship had spent more than 20 days in the sensitive location before Indian radars could locate it.
While the Indian Navy dispatched a ship as soon as the presence of the Chinese spy ship was confirmed, no action could be taken as the vessel was in international waters.
However, the Indian Navy ship did tail the Chinese vessel till it moved towards Sri Lankan waters. The ship is reported to have docked at Colombo.
It is believed that the ship had as many as 22 laboratories on board.
While the Indian Navy dispatched a ship as soon as the presence of the Chinese spy ship was confirmed, no action could be taken as the vessel was in international waters.
It is believed that the ship had as many as 22 laboratories on board.
Indian Government sources say the Chinese ship had specific aims to map the Indian Ocean and collect Bathymetric data, which helps in submarine and aircraft carrier based operations.
The labs on board the ship are also believed to have been used to collect data on Ocean currents, the temperature at various depths and also underwater obstructions and obstacles. This information becomes crucial if one has to use torpedoes.
It is an open secret that both India and China are engaged in a race to assert their supremacy over the Indian Ocean region.
Also, China is currently building an aircraft carrier which could become operational by 2017. This data would then come handy for the Chinese Navy. While China may claim to use the carrier to secure shipping lanes, its presence in the Indian Ocean would be a serious military threat for India. With China already having an upper hand in the borders along the Himalayas, a reinforced Chinese Navy presence in the Indian Ocean would be a headache for New Delhi. (ZEENEWS)
Chinese 'spy ship' tracked by India found at Colombo port
Thursday, 01 September 2011 14:25
A Chinese spy ship reportedly disguised as a fishing trawler was tracked in the Indian Ocean recently and later traced to the Colombo Port, an Indian media report said.
The ship was detected near the coast of Little Anadaman.
It is believed that the ship had spent more than 20 days in the sensitive location before Indian radars could locate it.
While the Indian Navy dispatched a ship as soon as the presence of the Chinese spy ship was confirmed, no action could be taken as the vessel was in international waters.
However, the Indian Navy ship did tail the Chinese vessel till it moved towards Sri Lankan waters. The ship is reported to have docked at Colombo.
It is believed that the ship had as many as 22 laboratories on board.
While the Indian Navy dispatched a ship as soon as the presence of the Chinese spy ship was confirmed, no action could be taken as the vessel was in international waters.
It is believed that the ship had as many as 22 laboratories on board.
Indian Government sources say the Chinese ship had specific aims to map the Indian Ocean and collect Bathymetric data, which helps in submarine and aircraft carrier based operations.
The labs on board the ship are also believed to have been used to collect data on Ocean currents, the temperature at various depths and also underwater obstructions and obstacles. This information becomes crucial if one has to use torpedoes.
It is an open secret that both India and China are engaged in a race to assert their supremacy over the Indian Ocean region.
Also, China is currently building an aircraft carrier which could become operational by 2017. This data would then come handy for the Chinese Navy. While China may claim to use the carrier to secure shipping lanes, its presence in the Indian Ocean would be a serious military threat for India. With China already having an upper hand in the borders along the Himalayas, a reinforced Chinese Navy presence in the Indian Ocean would be a headache for New Delhi. (ZEENEWS)
Chinese 'spy ship' tracked by India found at Colombo port
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'Chinese ship caught spying on India'
Last Updated: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 09:40
New Delhi: In a worrying development, a Chinese spy ship disguised as a fishing trawler was tracked in the Indian Ocean recently, a report claimed on Wednesday.
The ship was detected near the coast of Little Anadaman.
It is believed that the ship had spent more than 20 days in the sensitive location before Indian radars could locate it.
While the Navy dispatched a ship as soon as the presence of the Chinese spy ship was confirmed, no action could be taken as the vessel was in international waters.
However, the Indian Navy ship did tail the Chinese vessel till it move towards Sri Lankan waters. The ship is reported to have docked at Colombo.
It is believed that the ship had as many as 22 laboratories on board.
Government sources say the Chinese ship had specific aims to map the Indian Ocean and collect Bathymetric data, which helps in submarine and aircraft carrier based operations.
The labs on board the ship are also believed to have been used to collect data on Ocean currents, the temperature at various depths and also underwater obstructions and obstacles. This information becomes crucial if one has to use torpedoes.
It is an open secret that both India and China are engaged in a race to assert their supremacy over the Indian Ocean region.
Also, China is currently building an aircraft carrier which could become operational by 2017. This data would then come handy for the Chinese Navy. While China may claim to use the carrier to secure shipping lanes, its presence in the Indian Ocean would be a serious military threat for India. With China already having an upper hand in the borders along the Himalayas, a reinforced Chinese Navy presence in the Indian Ocean would be a headache for New Delhi.
There are already concerns of Chinese vessels monitoring India's missile programme.
'Chinese ship caught spying on India'
'Chinese ship caught spying on India'
Last Updated: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 09:40
New Delhi: In a worrying development, a Chinese spy ship disguised as a fishing trawler was tracked in the Indian Ocean recently, a report claimed on Wednesday.
The ship was detected near the coast of Little Anadaman.
It is believed that the ship had spent more than 20 days in the sensitive location before Indian radars could locate it.
While the Navy dispatched a ship as soon as the presence of the Chinese spy ship was confirmed, no action could be taken as the vessel was in international waters.
However, the Indian Navy ship did tail the Chinese vessel till it move towards Sri Lankan waters. The ship is reported to have docked at Colombo.
It is believed that the ship had as many as 22 laboratories on board.
Government sources say the Chinese ship had specific aims to map the Indian Ocean and collect Bathymetric data, which helps in submarine and aircraft carrier based operations.
The labs on board the ship are also believed to have been used to collect data on Ocean currents, the temperature at various depths and also underwater obstructions and obstacles. This information becomes crucial if one has to use torpedoes.
It is an open secret that both India and China are engaged in a race to assert their supremacy over the Indian Ocean region.
Also, China is currently building an aircraft carrier which could become operational by 2017. This data would then come handy for the Chinese Navy. While China may claim to use the carrier to secure shipping lanes, its presence in the Indian Ocean would be a serious military threat for India. With China already having an upper hand in the borders along the Himalayas, a reinforced Chinese Navy presence in the Indian Ocean would be a headache for New Delhi.
There are already concerns of Chinese vessels monitoring India's missile programme.
'Chinese ship caught spying on India'
Virendra
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The Govt. seriously needs to do some hard talking to the Sri Lankans through back channels, otherwise the Indian neighbors wouldn't come to senses about their responsibility to play fair and not allow covert ops like this.
Our loose reflexes and soft posture costs a lot.
Regards,
Virendra
Our loose reflexes and soft posture costs a lot.
Regards,
Virendra
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Indian govt should seriously look for a weak link in sri lankan polity to tame it... else this loose rat will cause lots of damage
