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The Ministry of Defence, Government of India is considering procurement of 530 (Five Hundred and Thirty) High Altitude Combat Free Fall System for use by Indian Navy and Indian Air Force. Broad specifications of High Altitude Combat Free Fall System
 

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Andaman & Nicobar Command is conducting a major joint Services exercise, Defence of Andaman & Nicobar Islands #DANX17. The aim of the exercise is to validate defensive plans of HQ Andaman and Nicobar Command towards ensuring the territorial integrity of Islands.
 

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India’s most advanced missile-tracking warship to be handed to Navy in 2018

Sulogna Mehta| TNN | Nov 21, 2017, 10:49 IST

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By: Sulogna Mehta & Vivek Rathod

VISAKHAPATNAM: A naval vessel with a mystery name— VC 11184 — has been built at Hindustan Shipyard Ltd (HSL) at a cost of ?725 crore under a classified project which began four years ago.

Like hush-hush construction of nuclear submarines, complete secrecy is being maintained by Navy and HSL on the missile-range instrumentation ship, which will be India's most advanced and largest ocean surveillance vessel that can track ballistic missiles.

Reliable sources in HSL and Navy told TOI the project is in trial phase and the warship will be handed over to Navy in a few months. The vessel would have a special team on board from the technical intelligence bureau (National Technical Research Organisation), which directly reports to National Security Advisor's office.

A highly-placed source in HSL said, "We bagged the prestigious project three years ago and began construction at our ship-building yard. The ship is almost ready and once the trials get over, it will be officially handed to the Navy in 2018. Secrecy has been maintained on the project which is being monitored by PMO ."

As per information from defence websites, the vessel, known only by its mysterious yard designation at Visakhapatnam, VC 11184, will be deployed for supporting India's strategic weapons programme.

After HSL bagged project in 2013, ship was to be delivered by August 2015, but it was stuck in logistical delays . The warship is 175m in length with a displacement of 10,000 tonnes.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...nded-to-navy-in-2018/articleshow/61734788.cms
 

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In January 2018, the Indian navy's Mumbai-based western fleet is to start a series of annual theatre-level naval exercises. Manoeuvres lasting over a month where aircraft, surface warships and submarines, divided into red and blue forces, will simulate naval war games, refine tactics while bringing their platforms into a high state of operational readiness.

Nothing unusual except that less than a month later these exercises will be replicated on the east coast, off Visakhapatnam, by the eastern fleet's warships, aircraft and submarines operating from the mainland up to the Andaman & Nicobar islands and Malacca Straits. This is the first time in recent years the navy is activating both commands. Earlier, it combined both and exercised on one coast, once a year. From next year, naval officials say, simultaneous twin-front maritime war games will be the norm.

Naval officials call the theatre-level exercises a direct response to China's ramped-up naval presence in the Indian Ocean Region (IOR); 17 Chinese warships were deployed here this year, the largest in recent years. On August 1, China unveiled a $590 million (Rs 3,831 crore) base and dockyard in Djibouti near the Horn of Africa, which will house PLA troops and allow China to replenish ships and submarines. These events, seen together with China's 2013 acquisition of Gwadar port, blur the distinctions between the navy's Pakistan-focused western naval command and its China-focused eastern naval command.

China completed a seventh submarine deployment in the IOR this September in addition to completing the deployment of its 27th anti-piracy force this year. Analysts say an eighth submarine deployment, most likely of an SSN (nuclear-powered attack submarine), is due in early 2018. Through these deployments in India's backyard, China has demonstrated its ability to project maritime power far from its shores. "India has never claimed the Indian Ocean as 'India's Ocean', but China has claimed the bulk of South China Sea as 'China's Sea', and now has a full-fledged military base in Djibouti and is significantly strengthening Pakistan's navy with eight submarines," says G Parthasarathy, former Indian high commissioner to Islamabad. A message that has not been lost on Indian naval planners. "If push comes to shove, we've got to be prepared," a senior naval official says. These developments follow tectonic geopolitical moves in the two months since the Indian and Chinese militaries climbed down from a 71-day faceoff at Doklam, Bhutan, on August 28.

Chinese President Xi Jinping was anointed "core leader" on October 18, and outlined a 30-year vision for his military-mechanisation, information technology and strategic ability by 2020, modernisation by 2035 and a world-class one by 2050. The developments have enormous military consequences for India, which shares a 4,000 km unsettled border.

New Delhi shed its reticence and moved into a quadrilateral grouping with three other maritime democracies-the United States, Australia and Japan. On November 12, officials of the four 'Quad' nations met on the sidelines of the Asean summit in Manila and called for a 'free and open Indo-Pacific', a veiled reference to China, which claims all of the South China Sea.

Analysts say Doklam confirmed for New Delhi the turbulent future of Sino-Indian relations. Chinese policy towards India over the last decade and New Delhi's objections to the $1 trillion (Rs 65 lakh crore) Belt and Road Initiative are seen as major reasons for India shedding its reticence about the quadrilateral initiative.

Contingency preparations for a two-front war with China and Pakistan are no longer the figment of a military planner's imagination. They have explicit government sanction because they are, as a top official explains, a credible worst case scenario. "The country's defence preparedness should be adequate to meet the worst case scenario."

The three services are validating new war plans and accelerating their short and medium term defence plans to enhance the 'dissuasive' posture against China, first enunciated in the Raksha Mantri's Operational Directives in 2010. The armed forces, particularly the army, have been directed to replenish critical ammunition deficiencies by 2018.

The looming Chinese threat was the point of discussion at the commanders' conferences of the navy, army and air force held separately between September and October this year, where the services lay out their annual priorities. The navy rolled out its new Mission Based Deployments (MBD) for its warships; the army, a plan to speed up border road construction and link up mountain passes.

"The Indian military is gearing up to face the Chinese challenge in the coming years," says Harsh V. Pant, head of the Observer Research Foundation's Strategic Studies Programme. "More than its predecessors, the Modi government seems to have no hesitation in standing up to China, so the civilians and the military in India now seem to be on the same page. India's role in the Quad will only be credible if its own posture towards regional security has some credibility."

The IAF is addressing vulnerabilities, such as the lack of modern airfields from which to operate its fighter aircraft, and also reactivating disused airfields near the China borders to resupply troops posted along the Line of Actual Control (LAC). Nyoma, an airfield in Ladakh, abandoned after the 1962 war, is likely to be reactivated as a forward airbase. Seven advance landing grounds in Arunachal Pradesh are being activated. The MoD will shortly award contracts worth nearly Rs 1,800 crore for upgrading 30 airfields of the IAF, Navy, Coast Guard and R&AW's Aviation Research Centre under the Modernisation of Airfield Infrastructure (MAFI Phase 2). This follows the completion of the first batch of 30 airfields under the Rs 1,200 crore MAFI-1 last year. The MoD shaved two years off the contract time by giving the project a Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) clearance after bypassing the Request for Proposal (RFP) stage. The project is to be completed within the next three years, and officials familiar with the project call it more complicated than the first as it has 15 remote high-altitude airfields and remote marine airfields where access of men, construction material and equipment will be difficult.

The IAF's entire airfield infrastructure is within the range of China's highly potent Rocket Force comprising over 1,200 intermediate range ballistic missiles. This is the reason for the unusual military manoeuvres on October 24 of 20 IAF airplanes, including C-130J transports and Su-30MKI fighters, landing and taking off on the Agra expressway. The IAF has already identified 12 other highways in the country which could be used as emergency landing strips in case military airbases are knocked out in a surprise attack.

Last October, India signed an agreement with Russia to purchase five S-400 'Triumf' long-range surface-to-air missiles that can shoot down cruise, ballistic missiles and aircraft 400 km away. "We need a combination of such long-range missiles, radars and surveillance systems that can monitor military activity far behind the borders," says Air Marshal P.S. Ahluwalia, former western air commander.

In 1962, China swiftly built a road that brought in men and material, leading to the defeat of the Indian army in the northeast. In 2017, it is the absence of roads that is hampering the army's offensive and defensive war plans. Only 22 of the 61 Indo-China Border Roads (ICBRs) of 3,409 km, costing Rs 4,644 crore and identified by the government in 2006 as priority projects and handed over to the Border Roads Organisation (BRO), were completed as of 2016. The new target is for all 73 roads to be done by 2022. These will not only allow the speedy movement of troops and equipment in times of war but also facilitate peacetime patrolling.

The army commanders' conference held in New Delhi between October 9 and 15 aimed for a concerted heft towards road-building activities in the northern and central sectors of the LAC facing China. The army has decided to connect the four Himalayan passes at Niti, Lipulekh, Thangla 1 and Tsangchokla by 2020 on priority. This is to allow lateral movement of troops and equipment between various sectors in wartime.

Naval officials say the Quad is making its presence felt most acutely in the maritime domain. The trilateral Malabar naval exercises, involving the US, Japan and India, in the Bay of Bengal this July were followed by a smaller one in October at Goa, involving Japanese and Indian naval anti-submarine warfare aircraft.

In June this year, it unveiled MBD, an ambitious plan to counter China's maritime presence in the IOR. Unveiled soon after the naval commanders' conference, in October, MBD will see an Indian warship or aircraft present at every point of the IOR-an area over five times India's 2.3 million square kilometres.

Since June, warships have been continuously deployed in the Malacca Straits, Gulf of Aden, Persian Gulf and Northern Bay of Bengal, becoming the first responders in many crises, such as the flooding in Sri Lanka, cyclone Mora in Bangladesh and Myanmar, thus ensuring the navy remains a net provider of security and humanitarian assistance in the IOR. MBD efforts are synergised between the MoD, MEA and navy, with deployments to be extended in the coming months to the south of Sri Lanka and the southern IOR covering Mauritius, Seychelles and the East Coast of Africa. A senior naval official explains the MBD logic. "We want to be present near the chokepoints. We want to know who is entering and exiting."

There is also a subtle signalling on China's vulnerabilities. China consumes over 13 million barrels of oil each day, over half of which is imported from West Asia. While it is trying to cut back on this through the use of renewables and overland through Central Asia, the dependence will continue for some decades.

The tri-services' 'Mission China', however, runs the risk of delays and falling short of its ambitious objectives. Chief among these concerns is the lack of Indian military reform. In the likely absence of a major uptick in defence spend, these reforms could deliver more bang for a shrinking budgetary buck. Key recommendations of the Lt General D.B. Shekatkar committee report, submitted in December 2016, for the post of a single-point military advisor, a chief of defence staff and theatre commands integrating the three services to fight wars jointly are yet to receive political clearance. There are shortfalls of military hardware, which will take years to replenish.

The IAF remains beguiled by its shrinking fighter squadrons. It has only 32 squadrons as against an authorisation of 42 because retiring aircraft are not being replaced swiftly. These will be addressed in the short term by the acquisition of 36 Rafale fighters from France. The acquisition of 123 LCA Tejas and a yet-to-be-decided single-engine fighter under the MoD's Strategic Partnership Policy are at least five years away.

Army officials, meanwhile, are sceptical of being able to complete all their mountain road projects within the revised deadline of 2022. This is because of the small construction window of less than six months a year in the mountains due to rain and snow and the enormous investments in machinery, helicopters and specialised tunnelling equipment these projects will entail. Clearly, when it comes to China, nothing short of work on a war footing will do.
 

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In January 2018, the Indian navy's Mumbai-based western fleet is to start a series of annual theatre-level naval exercises. Manoeuvres lasting over a month where aircraft, surface warships and submarines, divided into red and blue forces, will simulate naval war games, refine tactics while bringing their platforms into a high state of operational readiness.

Nothing unusual except that less than a month later these exercises will be replicated on the east coast, off Visakhapatnam, by the eastern fleet's warships, aircraft and submarines operating from the mainland up to the Andaman & Nicobar islands and Malacca Straits. This is the first time in recent years the navy is activating both commands. Earlier, it combined both and exercised on one coast, once a year. From next year, naval officials say, simultaneous twin-front maritime war games will be the norm.

Naval officials call the theatre-level exercises a direct response to China's ramped-up naval presence in the Indian Ocean Region (IOR); 17 Chinese warships were deployed here this year, the largest in recent years. On August 1, China unveiled a $590 million (Rs 3,831 crore) base and dockyard in Djibouti near the Horn of Africa, which will house PLA troops and allow China to replenish ships and submarines. These events, seen together with China's 2013 acquisition of Gwadar port, blur the distinctions between the navy's Pakistan-focused western naval command and its China-focused eastern naval command.

China completed a seventh submarine deployment in the IOR this September in addition to completing the deployment of its 27th anti-piracy force this year. Analysts say an eighth submarine deployment, most likely of an SSN (nuclear-powered attack submarine), is due in early 2018. Through these deployments in India's backyard, China has demonstrated its ability to project maritime power far from its shores. "India has never claimed the Indian Ocean as 'India's Ocean', but China has claimed the bulk of South China Sea as 'China's Sea', and now has a full-fledged military base in Djibouti and is significantly strengthening Pakistan's navy with eight submarines," says G Parthasarathy, former Indian high commissioner to Islamabad. A message that has not been lost on Indian naval planners. "If push comes to shove, we've got to be prepared," a senior naval official says. These developments follow tectonic geopolitical moves in the two months since the Indian and Chinese militaries climbed down from a 71-day faceoff at Doklam, Bhutan, on August 28.

Chinese President Xi Jinping was anointed "core leader" on October 18, and outlined a 30-year vision for his military-mechanisation, information technology and strategic ability by 2020, modernisation by 2035 and a world-class one by 2050. The developments have enormous military consequences for India, which shares a 4,000 km unsettled border.

New Delhi shed its reticence and moved into a quadrilateral grouping with three other maritime democracies-the United States, Australia and Japan. On November 12, officials of the four 'Quad' nations met on the sidelines of the Asean summit in Manila and called for a 'free and open Indo-Pacific', a veiled reference to China, which claims all of the South China Sea.

Analysts say Doklam confirmed for New Delhi the turbulent future of Sino-Indian relations. Chinese policy towards India over the last decade and New Delhi's objections to the $1 trillion (Rs 65 lakh crore) Belt and Road Initiative are seen as major reasons for India shedding its reticence about the quadrilateral initiative.

Contingency preparations for a two-front war with China and Pakistan are no longer the figment of a military planner's imagination. They have explicit government sanction because they are, as a top official explains, a credible worst case scenario. "The country's defence preparedness should be adequate to meet the worst case scenario."

The three services are validating new war plans and accelerating their short and medium term defence plans to enhance the 'dissuasive' posture against China, first enunciated in the Raksha Mantri's Operational Directives in 2010. The armed forces, particularly the army, have been directed to replenish critical ammunition deficiencies by 2018.

The looming Chinese threat was the point of discussion at the commanders' conferences of the navy, army and air force held separately between September and October this year, where the services lay out their annual priorities. The navy rolled out its new Mission Based Deployments (MBD) for its warships; the army, a plan to speed up border road construction and link up mountain passes.

"The Indian military is gearing up to face the Chinese challenge in the coming years," says Harsh V. Pant, head of the Observer Research Foundation's Strategic Studies Programme. "More than its predecessors, the Modi government seems to have no hesitation in standing up to China, so the civilians and the military in India now seem to be on the same page. India's role in the Quad will only be credible if its own posture towards regional security has some credibility."

The IAF is addressing vulnerabilities, such as the lack of modern airfields from which to operate its fighter aircraft, and also reactivating disused airfields near the China borders to resupply troops posted along the Line of Actual Control (LAC). Nyoma, an airfield in Ladakh, abandoned after the 1962 war, is likely to be reactivated as a forward airbase. Seven advance landing grounds in Arunachal Pradesh are being activated. The MoD will shortly award contracts worth nearly Rs 1,800 crore for upgrading 30 airfields of the IAF, Navy, Coast Guard and R&AW's Aviation Research Centre under the Modernisation of Airfield Infrastructure (MAFI Phase 2). This follows the completion of the first batch of 30 airfields under the Rs 1,200 crore MAFI-1 last year. The MoD shaved two years off the contract time by giving the project a Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) clearance after bypassing the Request for Proposal (RFP) stage. The project is to be completed within the next three years, and officials familiar with the project call it more complicated than the first as it has 15 remote high-altitude airfields and remote marine airfields where access of men, construction material and equipment will be difficult.

The IAF's entire airfield infrastructure is within the range of China's highly potent Rocket Force comprising over 1,200 intermediate range ballistic missiles. This is the reason for the unusual military manoeuvres on October 24 of 20 IAF airplanes, including C-130J transports and Su-30MKI fighters, landing and taking off on the Agra expressway. The IAF has already identified 12 other highways in the country which could be used as emergency landing strips in case military airbases are knocked out in a surprise attack.

Last October, India signed an agreement with Russia to purchase five S-400 'Triumf' long-range surface-to-air missiles that can shoot down cruise, ballistic missiles and aircraft 400 km away. "We need a combination of such long-range missiles, radars and surveillance systems that can monitor military activity far behind the borders," says Air Marshal P.S. Ahluwalia, former western air commander.

In 1962, China swiftly built a road that brought in men and material, leading to the defeat of the Indian army in the northeast. In 2017, it is the absence of roads that is hampering the army's offensive and defensive war plans. Only 22 of the 61 Indo-China Border Roads (ICBRs) of 3,409 km, costing Rs 4,644 crore and identified by the government in 2006 as priority projects and handed over to the Border Roads Organisation (BRO), were completed as of 2016. The new target is for all 73 roads to be done by 2022. These will not only allow the speedy movement of troops and equipment in times of war but also facilitate peacetime patrolling.

The army commanders' conference held in New Delhi between October 9 and 15 aimed for a concerted heft towards road-building activities in the northern and central sectors of the LAC facing China. The army has decided to connect the four Himalayan passes at Niti, Lipulekh, Thangla 1 and Tsangchokla by 2020 on priority. This is to allow lateral movement of troops and equipment between various sectors in wartime.

Naval officials say the Quad is making its presence felt most acutely in the maritime domain. The trilateral Malabar naval exercises, involving the US, Japan and India, in the Bay of Bengal this July were followed by a smaller one in October at Goa, involving Japanese and Indian naval anti-submarine warfare aircraft.

In June this year, it unveiled MBD, an ambitious plan to counter China's maritime presence in the IOR. Unveiled soon after the naval commanders' conference, in October, MBD will see an Indian warship or aircraft present at every point of the IOR-an area over five times India's 2.3 million square kilometres.

Since June, warships have been continuously deployed in the Malacca Straits, Gulf of Aden, Persian Gulf and Northern Bay of Bengal, becoming the first responders in many crises, such as the flooding in Sri Lanka, cyclone Mora in Bangladesh and Myanmar, thus ensuring the navy remains a net provider of security and humanitarian assistance in the IOR. MBD efforts are synergised between the MoD, MEA and navy, with deployments to be extended in the coming months to the south of Sri Lanka and the southern IOR covering Mauritius, Seychelles and the East Coast of Africa. A senior naval official explains the MBD logic. "We want to be present near the chokepoints. We want to know who is entering and exiting."

There is also a subtle signalling on China's vulnerabilities. China consumes over 13 million barrels of oil each day, over half of which is imported from West Asia. While it is trying to cut back on this through the use of renewables and overland through Central Asia, the dependence will continue for some decades.

The tri-services' 'Mission China', however, runs the risk of delays and falling short of its ambitious objectives. Chief among these concerns is the lack of Indian military reform. In the likely absence of a major uptick in defence spend, these reforms could deliver more bang for a shrinking budgetary buck. Key recommendations of the Lt General D.B. Shekatkar committee report, submitted in December 2016, for the post of a single-point military advisor, a chief of defence staff and theatre commands integrating the three services to fight wars jointly are yet to receive political clearance. There are shortfalls of military hardware, which will take years to replenish.

The IAF remains beguiled by its shrinking fighter squadrons. It has only 32 squadrons as against an authorisation of 42 because retiring aircraft are not being replaced swiftly. These will be addressed in the short term by the acquisition of 36 Rafale fighters from France. The acquisition of 123 LCA Tejas and a yet-to-be-decided single-engine fighter under the MoD's Strategic Partnership Policy are at least five years away.

Army officials, meanwhile, are sceptical of being able to complete all their mountain road projects within the revised deadline of 2022. This is because of the small construction window of less than six months a year in the mountains due to rain and snow and the enormous investments in machinery, helicopters and specialised tunnelling equipment these projects will entail. Clearly, when it comes to China, nothing short of work on a war footing will do.
Don't know is't tone of the article of something else ...but in past I never had feeling that we are going to war...after reading this my heart telling me that we are in preparation of war phase......war is coming :frown:
 

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Don't know is't tone of the article of something else ...but in past I never had feeling that we are going to war...after reading this my heart telling me that we are in preparation of war phase......war is coming :frown:
The forces know war is inevitable. Not now, not in the next ten years, but then, when China feels its military = USA, be prepared for the reckoning.
 

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Wow. That went south rather fast. China, civilized? Sure! I can agree to that.

Chinese leadership being secure in their legitimacy, no! They throw out International Court of Justice judgements , claim thousands of kms of ocean as theirs simply because they once might have ruled the lands. Reclaim islands and fortify them.What is this, if not the actions of a state that is deeply afraid of its own legitimacy.

China's biggest reason for war will be to increase regime legitimacy. Chinese economy is failing, their population is aging rapidly. Their various peoples are demanding greater rights and liberties.

What do dictatorships do when faced with such challenges? Why, they say that foreign powers are trying to threaten them, that only the govt can protect them from these threats.

Look what happens in the Chinese media whenever India tests a new missile or does something praiseworthy like Mangalyaan or launching the Vikrant; the chinese media goes on hyperdrive, trying to paint the achievements in a less than positive light, as to how the Chinese have already done something better or similar.. Why?
Simple. If the Chinese people realise that India is able to achieve the same being a democracy, then why can't Chinese people have the same rights?

And now you know, why the Chinese were so vitriolic against us during Doklam..
True...The chinkis we see on their media r not common public but reporters on the payroll of CPC....They don't want their ppl to know the ground reality.

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Wow. That went south rather fast. China, civilized? Sure! I can agree to that.

Chinese leadership being secure in their legitimacy, no! They throw out International Court of Justice judgements , claim thousands of kms of ocean as theirs simply because they once might have ruled the lands. Reclaim islands and fortify them.What is this, if not the actions of a state that is deeply afraid of its own legitimacy.

China's biggest reason for war will be to increase regime legitimacy. Chinese economy is failing, their population is aging rapidly. Their various peoples are demanding greater rights and liberties.

What do dictatorships do when faced with such challenges? Why, they say that foreign powers are trying to threaten them, that only the govt can protect them from these threats.

Look what happens in the Chinese media whenever India tests a new missile or does something praiseworthy like Mangalyaan or launching the Vikrant; the chinese media goes on hyperdrive, trying to paint the achievements in a less than positive light, as to how the Chinese have already done something better or similar.. Why?
Simple. If the Chinese people realise that India is able to achieve the same being a democracy, then why can't Chinese people have the same rights?

And now you know, why the Chinese were so vitriolic against us during Doklam..
I have personally interacted with chinese, have seen videos, read history. I can say with confidence that Chinese are not evil.

You don't seem to understand much about economics. So, please don't just argue anything.
 

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I have personally interacted with chinese, have seen videos, read history. I can say with confidence that Chinese are not evil.

You don't seem to understand much about economics. So, please don't just argue anything.
I might not understand economics, nor may I have ever interacted with Chinese people. But you seem to lack a basic ability to understand what someone writes. You ignored every single point I made; check my arguments factually and correct me, don't cast aspersions on character. I might not have had fancy education and degree in economics, but I was taught courtesy and how to have a civilized conversation at the INA.
 

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I might not understand economics, nor may I have ever interacted with Chinese people. But you seem to lack a basic ability to understand what someone writes. You ignored every single point I made; check my arguments factually and correct me, don't cast aspersions on character. I might not have had fancy education and degree in economics, but I was taught courtesy and how to have a civilized conversation at the INA.
The world doesn't run on money but resources and trust. Your assumption that people trust REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLIC more than FASCIST government is obnoxious and in bad taste. India is not a democracy. It us a representative republic. It is no better. Democracy means RELIGIOUS GOVERNMENT as in such a rule, people's will - religion is given full primacy and not whims and fancies of the representatives

I get really angry when you write such big articles based on your opinions formed just by reading newspapers, without any basis of history
 

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The world doesn't run on money but resources and trust. Your assumption that people trust REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLIC more than FASCIST government is obnoxious and in bad taste. India is not a democracy. It us a representative republic. It is no better. Democracy means RELIGIOUS GOVERNMENT as in such a rule, people's will - religion is given full primacy and not whims and fancies of the representatives

I get really angry when you write such big articles based on your opinions formed just by reading newspapers, without any basis of history
Don't take my word on it, listen to the experts. If you're not happy with one source I'll be glad to provide you dozens more. Just because we are men of the uniform doesn't mean we don't get politics and history. You'll rarely find anyone more educated on military history than a navy officer. (I'm not one -yet)


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I have personally interacted with chinese, have seen videos, read history. I can say with confidence that Chinese are not evil.
Than I can say Pakistanis are one among the best when it comes to Hospitality.
I have experienced it personally..

but I can't say the same for whole Pakistanis.. Isn't it?
 

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@Kshithij /Vijyes, I request you to not derail another thread with your religious tangents.
Agreed. I was just saying that china is not a threat but pakistan and Bangladesh, in addition to Indonesia and Malaysia are real threats. Stop bothering about china and start bothering about 'MEANINGFUL WAR' with long term objectives.

The naval exercise is not meant against china. Kalki is a sly way of telling that religion is most important as it represents way of living rather than superficial grouping and the true war - civilisational clash is what one must bother about

@TPFscopes pakistan history is not good. Islam history is not good. There is a difference between chinese and Muslims. Chinese history as seen in WW2, Vietnam war etc were always more benign in nature.

Looking at historical examples is important. Look at the decisions made in do or die situations to judge
 
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Enough with this BS. China is the number 1 enemy and India will take it down. Chinese pipe dreams of matching US have already vaporized. Russia is military no 2 by a long margin.
Trump has basically torn apart NWO plan post 2008. China is fucked in long term.
 

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