Indian Human Spaceflight Program (HSP)

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  1. Indx TechStyle

    Indx TechStyle War Mongerer Veteran Member Senior Member

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    India eying an indigenous station in space
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    The project will be constructed once the 'Gaganyaan' human space mission is completed successfully, says ISRO's K Sivan.
    'Our own'
    Preparations underway
     
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    Cutting Edge 2 Space Power

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    We (insiders) knew about space station plan since a while ago. Why did he has to open his mouth in media and that too at early stage.

    We have no human rated vehicle & module, no docking mechanism, no pressurized cargo supply module, no 24x7 ground support system, no gov approval, no money. First work on these and then talk.

    We should let our action speak for itself. This is the problem with our agencies. Too much talking.
     
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    IndianHawk Senior Member Senior Member

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    He is head of a premium space agency. He has enough intelligence to decide what to speak and when . He doesn't need nor care for your approval.

    He has full political backing that is why ISRO has been working for 3 years already on spadex.
    And that is why he outlined his program for future.

    Space program are planned and executed in time span of decades. Get used to it.

    Early announcement might be a way to impact negotiation about future of international space station and it's next version or it may simply be an announcement based on self confidence gained through progress till date. We may never know.

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    Cutting Edge 2 Space Power

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    He spoken too early. Lets first have a successful human launch and then he can speak as much as he wants.
     
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    To even talk about this shows how forward India has moved. A proud moment for Indians.
     
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    IndianHawk Senior Member Senior Member

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    And what if some mission doesn't succeed should we stop planning decades ahead. He spoke at correct time. It will take a decade to put a space station module up and that's what he has said.

    Anyway sending 20 ton module in lower earth orbit by 2030 should be easy part. GAGANYAN itself is 8ton module and gslv MK3 can do it .

    The difficulty task is to make docking successful.
    And to make it human ready. That's what he said ISRO has been already working for 3 years.
    This requires ISRO to work with life sciences and consulting with NASA and Russia will be immensely helpful in this regard.

    You have not being paying attention. Crew recovery module test. New cryogenic unit test , gslv MK3 readiness .
    These all have been in preparation for GAGANYAN even before GAGANYAN was ever approved. Same goes for space station .

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    Indx TechStyle War Mongerer Veteran Member Senior Member

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    He had told about space station and habitation program in much more details months ago.
    But he didn't get media attention at that time. And it's not something to hide. The concept was there since 2005. If you think people outside ISRO's staff didn't know about this plan, you don't know anything.

    He just made the plan official.
    We had unofficial government approval since around 16 and IHSP was revived in 2017. Every single support system we don't have at the moment isn't a challenge to make in 2-3 years. Budget is there.

    And Modi didn't launch an arrow in air himself in 2018 independence day speech. Government was in touch with ISRO and once realistic schedule was decided for all missions, Modi gave it a political angle.

    Seriously, you claim to be an insider.
    Timeline depends upon gap of technologies you currently have and what you want to do.
    China wanted to launch humans in space when it had a rocket of size of SLV-3. It took decades for them. We are going after it when we have almost everything.

    Rapid advances in space were made only by USA & USSR during cold war when it was a d!ck measuring contest of showing off capabilities than actual intetest in science & technology with budgets themselves skyrocketing.
    You had derailed main ISRO thread with your "analysis" which actually meant nothing. So for your so much cheerleading on SUPARCO thread. You failed defend your logic, leave alone facts that pierced your "analaysis".

    I'd like see you active in forum in 2021-22. Don't put emojis like :india: then.
     
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    lol...what's wrong with your big mouth culture?

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    would you plz tell us which one was the SLV-3 size rocket in China space launch history?

    China began the space lauch mission with the 82 tons CZ-1 rocket...and the manned-space mission(servel projects emerged in the history ) was always based on the development varient of CZ-2 rocket family (400 tons class)...

    Manned space mission-Project921 means the project was initiated in Jan 1992, the 3rd step of this project - space station building is due to complete in around 2022, it is really a 30 years longterm planning.

    you don't need me to tell you what size of SLV-3,do you?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_Launch_Vehicle
     
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  9. Indx TechStyle

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    There is a thing called context.
    I admit my bad comparing SLV-3 with much bigger CZ-1 directly which was much bigger than SLV-3. Nevertheless, CZ-1 was first Chinese orbital launch vehicle. My context of comparison should have been this and not that misguiding line where I compared both for size.

    Still, both were primitive stage of space tech of both countries.
    I'm talking about Shuangong program and not Shenzhou.


    Project 714 was envisaged at a time when Chinese launch vehicle tech was much primitive. It's same as that of Iranian manned space program, the country has only started to make orbital launch vehicle and launch capabilities are at an early stage.

    Project 921 was very much feasible with sizeable rockets and developments with allied tech. So is Gaganyaan.

    My response was essentially for this comment.
     
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    My bad again, it's called Shuguang and not Shuangong.
     
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    India has been quietly working on key technology to enable space station
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    HIGHLIGHTS
    • Work on a key technology - space docking - without which a space station cannot be made functional has been going on for at least three years now
    • Isro has already completed some ground simulations and the work on launching two small spacecraft to test this out in space is in the pipeline
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    Quoting sanman from NSF.
    Somebody get those slides.
     
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    Own space station is crucial to India, says Isro chairman K Sivan
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    File photo of Isro chairman Kailasavadivoo Sivan
    Space mission
    • (Correction 2030)
     
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    I think first we need to collaborate with NASA and other agencies and send our astronauts to ISS , this will give adequate experience to both ISRO and the Indian Astronauts
     
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    ISS wasn't made as per Indian demands. First, we will have to make transfer module or Indian human Spaceflight program won't be left Indian anymore.

    There is already little room for Indian astronauts and experiments we want to carry out. Second, ISS won't survive till 2030.
     
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    We are collaborating with Russia and Nasa on life support technologies.

    The real challenge is to successfully recover the module in bay of Bengal.

    So as long the module is not broken in either ascend of descend and If module is perfectly sealed with oxygen generation working properly vyomnauts will remain alive.

    That's all GAGANYAN is about .

    For space station program we need Indian docking mechanism which can connect Indian module together. So that we can keep building bigger and bigger stations with time.

    Let's see if west invites us for a future international space station.

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    India's Institute of Aerospace Medicine has issued a mission patch to the doctors who will be evaluating the astronaut candidates for the Gaganyaan initial human spaceflight mission:
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    Credit: sanman from NSF
     
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    Glavkosmos signs contract with ISRO for training Indian astronauts
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    After Chandrayaan-2, VSSC bracing for human space flight

    After the successful launch of GSLV-MkIII carrying the lander and rover to unravel the mystery of the moon, the Vikram Sarabhai Space Centre (VSSC), which focuses on achieving excellence in launch vehicle technology for the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO), here is bracing for Gaganyaan, the ambitious human space flight programme, which includes the crew escape system. It would be the same GSLV-MkIII version that would carry the vyomanauts to space.
    However, the vehicle will have to be reconfigured to take astronauts to space by ensuring triple modular redundancy or more as it cannot afford a technical snag like the one that happened in Chandrayaan-2.

    As per the design, the vehicle will have the three stages — solid, liquid and cryogenic — and above it would be the crew module carrying the astronauts for Gaganyaan. The three-stage vehicle would work in the same way as it performed in the Chandrayaan mission, according to VSSC officials.




    However, the crew escape system, an emergency escape measure designed to quickly pull the crew module along with the astronauts to a safe distance from the launch vehicle in the event of an aborted launch, will have to be integrated after holding test flights.


    According to VSSC director S Somanath, there would be some advanced intelligence equipment on board of the vehicle which ensure cent per cent redundancy and there would be two unmanned flights before the final flight with vyomanauts. “We hope the vehicle can be readied by reconfiguring it in a year,” he added. The unmanned vehicle would be able to cushion the shocks and vibrations to some extent like an aircraft as the human being to be taken to space should be able to withstand them.


    Further, the advanced equipment in the vehicle must be able to find its faults and rectify them during its flight. ISRO successfully flight-tested the crew escape system on July 5, 2018, the first in a series of tests to qualify the system, which is a critical technology relevant for human spaceflight.

    idrw.org .Read more at India No 1 Defence News Website https://idrw.org/after-chandrayaan-2-vssc-bracing-for-human-space-flight/ .

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    Bhai,do you have any updates on the space suit,

    This is the latest info I got so far,
    https://www.indiatoday.in/amp/india...rew-model-for-2022-mission-1334124-2018-09-07
     
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    Not dedicated updates.
    Suite earlier we made was based on our understanding and perceptions about humans in space. As crew training & selection is ongoing and India is consulting to already experienced Glavkosmos for life support systems, suite will get a lot of modifications.
     
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