Indian Counter Terror Operations Pictures & Discussions

[Kunal Biswas]

What about in modern tanks? How exposed are they?

Well most of them ( ALL in a way ), In Infantry, tank hunting teams targets tanks in ambushes with Infantry support, They first hit the tracks making it immobilized than other teams hit the rear or the sides and other vulnerable places of the tank depend upon the situation or left it for arty or any other powerful AT platform....

Indian Army also Operate ATGM units with Carl Gustaf units in pre planned defence, Presently IA use mostly Milan 2..

 

[BangersAndMash]

 

[sandeepdg]

Hey. Kunal, waiting for your reply to my question, mate.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Kunal, I have seen that Indian troopers in the videos above, hardly ever use NVGs, why is it so ? Also, Thermal imaging devices can also be very handy to formation moving through dense jungles especially at night. Also, the guy to whom the journalist referred to as the sniper was actually carrying a LMG, not a true sniper rifle like PSG-1 or anything.

I have seen border posts based troops using thermal imaging devices though, but a small unit that is hunting for the terrorists on the move in the jungles needs them even more, don't you think ?

Hey. Kunal, waiting for your reply to my question, mate.

Sorry for late reply..

Troops use Thermal mainly mounted on Insas or AK for night hunting, Sniper in RR use SVD, Night fighting is tough because One or two only use thermal in a platoon rest use AK with Iron sight only, In urban it easy to make out possible exits so ambush can be done, But in thick vegetation over mountain area, its difficult..

Regarding Media, they dont know what sniper is or they couldn't get the view of the sniper so he showed the LMG guy as sniper, General people dont know what sniper is..

 

[BangersAndMash]

Indian army soldiers displays arms and ammunition at an army camp at Kupwara,some 102kms north of Srinagar, 15 September 2011, which was recovered during search operations. During the search operations troops recovered caches of arms,ammunation and communication equipment from areas near The Line of Control (LOC).

source - wn.com

 

[Drona]

I was watching a new on CNN , reporter was interviewing a solder (American), he said, talibs can't fight them face to face. we know the reasons for it, but he specially mentioned that talibs have to get really close to kill American because their weapons were very inaccurate at longer distance at which its really easy for american to target and shoot.
In another new report from Kashmir, our army officer also replied that they do not use the weapons captured from terrorists because of their poor quality and are generally heavier than originals like AK47. We all know were it comes from !

 

[Kunal Biswas]

In another new report from Kashmir, our army officer also replied that they do not use the weapons captured from terrorists because of their poor quality and are generally heavier than originals like AK47. We all know were it comes from !

Army Officer is partially right, IA use good Captured AK also the ammo, One more thing many Member may dont know that IA men use entirely AKMs not AK-47, AKM are better..

Here some comparison:


The AKM:

AKM: 3.6 kg (7.94 lb) with full magazine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_barrel
Improvements: Compared to the AK-47, the AKM features detail improvements and enhancements that optimized the rifle for mass production; some parts and assemblies were conceived using simplified manufacturing methods. Notably, the AK-47's milled steel receiver was replaced by a U-shaped steel stamping. As a result of these modifications, the AKM's weight was reduced by approx. 1 kg (2.2 lb), the accuracy during automatic fire was increased and several reliability issues were addressed. The AK-47's chrome-lined barrel was retained, a common feature of Soviet weapons which resists wear and corrosion, particularly under harsh field and ammunition conditions.AKM was fitted with a slant cut muzzle brake that helps redirect expanding propellant gases upward and to the right during firing, which mitigates the rise of the muzzle during an automatic burst when held by a right-handed firer.



The AK-47:

AK-47: Weight 5.21 kg (11.5 lb) with empty magazine

The Problems: The first production models had stamped sheet metal receivers. Difficulties were encountered in welding the guide and ejector rails, causing high rejection rates.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47#cite_note-18 Instead of halting production, a heavy machined receiver was substituted for the sheet metal receiver.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47#cite_note-Poyer_9-19This was a more costly process, Once manufacturing difficulties had been overcome, a redesigned version designated the AKM (M for "modernized" or "upgraded"—in Russian: (Автомат Калашникова Модернизированный [Avtomat Kalashnikova Modernizirovanniy]) was introduced in 1959.


Note: The AK-47 usually handed over to J&k Militia who were using 3O3 for home defense, These AK are manufactured mostly in Afghan villages in Pakistani borders, Like Peshawar, These AK have limited life as the barrel is low graded compare to IA AKMS...

 

[sandeepdg]

Sorry for late reply..

Troops use Thermal mainly mounted on Insas or AK for night hunting, Sniper in RR use SVD, Night fighting is tough because One or two only use thermal in a platoon rest use AK with Iron sight only, In urban it easy to make out possible exits so ambush can be done, But in thick vegetation over mountain area, its difficult..

So that means IA still doesn't use thermal imaging the way it should be used ! Just one or two thermal in a platoon, is too less. Especially if the platoon is out in a mountainous jungle at night, they are absolutely night-blind !

Also, I have hardly seen the use of NVGs atop helmets even in the special forces.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

So that means IA still doesn't use thermal imaging the way it should be used ! Just one or two thermal in a platoon, is too less. Especially if the platoon is out in a mountainous jungle at night, they are absolutely night-blind !

Also, I have hardly seen the use of NVGs atop helmets even in the special forces.

IA use tactics to over come technology deficiency, My earlier data abt 2 thermal sight may not be taken as permanent but it can change as per developments, But still IA infantry lack Funds for development so does it lack decades behind western armies even Russian army..

Regarding SF like PARA SF, these guys get everything they want, We just dont have pics..

 

[ALBY]

Army Officer is partially right, IA use good Captured AK also the ammo, One more thing many Member may dont know that IA men use entirely AKMs not AK-47, AKM are better..

Here some comparison:


The AKM:

AKM: 3.6 kg (7.94 lb) with full magazine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_barrel
Improvements: Compared to the AK-47, the AKM features detail improvements and enhancements that optimized the rifle for mass production; some parts and assemblies were conceived using simplified manufacturing methods. Notably, the AK-47's milled steel receiver was replaced by a U-shaped steel stamping. As a result of these modifications, the AKM's weight was reduced by approx. 1 kg (2.2 lb), the accuracy during automatic fire was increased and several reliability issues were addressed. The AK-47's chrome-lined barrel was retained, a common feature of Soviet weapons which resists wear and corrosion, particularly under harsh field and ammunition conditions.AKM was fitted with a slant cut muzzle brake that helps redirect expanding propellant gases upward and to the right during firing, which mitigates the rise of the muzzle during an automatic burst when held by a right-handed firer.



The AK-47:

AK-47: Weight 5.21 kg (11.5 lb) with empty magazine

The Problems: The first production models had stamped sheet metal receivers. Difficulties were encountered in welding the guide and ejector rails, causing high rejection rates.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47#cite_note-18 Instead of halting production, a heavy machined receiver was substituted for the sheet metal receiver.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47#cite_note-Poyer_9-19This was a more costly process, Once manufacturing difficulties had been overcome, a redesigned version designated the AKM (M for "modernized" or "upgraded"—in Russian: (Автомат Калашникова Модернизированный [Avtomat Kalashnikova Modernizirovanniy]) was introduced in 1959.


Note: The AK-47 usually handed over to J&k Militia who were using 3O3 for home defense, These AK are manufactured mostly in Afghan villages in Pakistani borders, Like Peshawar, These AK have limited life as the barrel is low graded compare to IA AKMS...

Are those sliding stock AKs posted by SHIV also peshawar made? I hought they were good old east german Mpi72s..Any way the FATA produced kalashnikovs are contributing a bad reputation for the whole kalashnikov family

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Are those sliding stock AKs posted by SHIV also peshawar made? I hought they were good old east german Mpi72s..Any way the FATA produced kalashnikovs are contributing a bad reputation for the whole kalashnikov family

Some AKs are AKM but i see only one, Bad clone compare to top class Romanian and Polish AKM in IA..
East German AKs are very rare and expensive..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Some Pics From Indian Army`s CT Operations..

 

[sandeepdg]

@ Kunal

What units use the Tavor rifles as seen in the pic above ? Do regular units also use Tavor rifles ?


From the pics in the other thread on PLA troops, I think the regular PLA units are better equipped than IA regular units with regards to their combat gear.

Regarding SF like PARA SF, these guys get everything they want, We just dont have pics..

I will still be glad if you can dig some that you chance to get your hands on

 

[Kunal Biswas]

@ Kunal
What units use the Tavor rifles as seen in the pic above ? Do regular units also use Tavor rifles ?

Tar-21 is used by PARA SF and Some Ghatak Units..

From the pics in the other thread on PLA troops, I think the regular PLA units are better equipped than IA regular units with regards to their combat gear.
I will still be glad if you can dig some that you chance to get your hands on

Dont fall on nice camo and good looks

PLA regulars have no concept of BP, They have a Kevlar Helmet which is light but cannot take direct 9mm and M43 rounds, Type-95 have poor iron sights also the sights are too high, The look nice but not practically good on battle field..


Also I have posted a two pics of TAR-21 taken by me..

 

[JBH22]

So guys assuming the Indian Infantry gear is upgraded what would be the ideal composition of a squad and what would be the firearms selected (do consider our budgetary constraints no unnecessary chills or frills)

 

[ace009]

Depends upon what type of role the squad is performing. IMHO this is what should happen -

For manning defensive positions you would arm a squad with a HMG and maybe a mortar. Rest of the men would be armed with AKMs.

For patrol / CT operations in sensitive areas the squad will need SMGs, AKMs and Grenade Launchers.

For Scouting/ Recon in dangerous territories, squads will have Sniper rifles and AKMs.

For Offensive operations against enemy installations, squads will need MMGs, RPGs, Mortars and AKMs.

Kevlar based BP and light helmets should be the armor used for all ops.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

So guys assuming the Indian Infantry gear is upgraded what would be the ideal composition of a squad and what would be the firearms selected (do consider our budgetary constraints no unnecessary chills or frills)

1. Need LMG can have belt feed also mag, chambered for 5.56mm..
2. Bullpup 5.56mm Rifle with P-RAIL and Iron sight ability to mount Bayonet as well as UBGL.
3. Longer Baynot/Knife..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Some Pics From Indian Army`s CT Operations..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Some Pics From Indian Army`s CT Operations..

 

[ALBY]