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[Enquirer]

As @Mikesingh

The thermal imager itself could be used to detect a thermal camouflage.

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[Chinmoy]

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We do look for heat signature of human body while using thermal signature. In layman term, the visual would be a red moving body among dark surrounding.

But this is not the case always. Depending on surrounding this signature varies from red to purple sometimes. So in this case, we need to study the surrounding rather then looking for a heat patch. In nature we do know that nothing is complete black or white, nothing is complete round or square. The human silhouette also cant defy the nature. So in a natural environment, when you have your enemy in thermal camouflage, he is basically covering up his physical temperature. But in doing so he is making himself cooler then most of his surrounding.

If you have ever seen through a thermal imager, you would know that every rock or bush or tree does have their unique signature. Imitating those is next to impossible for any human being. His thermal signature would always differ from his surrounding no matter how much cool he try to make himself. In fact they doesn't even try to bring down the temperature. They simply scatter the pattern for imager to register.

So its all about using the imager in a innovative way. But for that you have to first make out a base line of studying the environment. I think @Mikesingh might have got what I mean to say.

 

[Enquirer]

We do look for heat signature of human body while using thermal signature. In layman term, the visual would be a red moving body among dark surrounding.

But this is not the case always. Depending on surrounding this signature varies from red to purple sometimes. So in this case, we need to study the surrounding rather then looking for a heat patch. In nature we do know that nothing is complete black or white, nothing is complete round or square. The human silhouette also cant defy the nature. So in a natural environment, when you have your enemy in thermal camouflage, he is basically covering up his physical temperature. But in doing so he is making himself cooler then most of his surrounding.

If you have ever seen through a thermal imager, you would know that every rock or bush or tree does have their unique signature. Imitating those is next to impossible for any human being. His thermal signature would always differ from his surrounding no matter how much cool he try to make himself. In fact they doesn't even try to bring down the temperature. They simply scatter the pattern for imager to register.

So its all about using the imager in a innovative way. But for that you have to first make out a base line of studying the environment. I think @Mikesingh might have got what I mean to say.

Those who read the above post, please ignore it! It's neither rooted in science nor logic!

 

[Chinmoy]

What's the antidote to Thermal camouflage Jackets? Can Ground Radars in conjunction with thermal imagers be used to detect infiltration more effectively?

Here is one detailed study of how thermal imager could be used as antidote in this situation. I just summarized it in my previous reply.

http://www.flir.eu/marine/display/?id=52805

 

[Mikesingh]

Who would have thought that ghillie suits have thermal camouflage in addition to optical camouflage. This could lead to serious trouble for our boys. Any idea how expensive these are, sir?

Here's an interesting vid. Later you'll see what looks like an 'invisible' trooper in Iraq mounting a tank.....No one knows who exactly he is.

 

[Mikesingh]

A picture speaks thousand words! Kashmiri girls shake hands with soldier in Srinagar, Kashmir. This is how security forces interact with people of the valley. But the media never shows such pics. Stone throwing hogs the limelight.

 

[Chinmoy]

Now that is politics....

A ceasefire will work only if Pakistan joins it: Farooq Abdullah

http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...-joins-it-farooq-abdullah/article23963095.ece

 

[Mikesingh]

So what happened to that Ranger atop that OP? Hallalled!!!


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[Moroboshi]

We do look for heat signature of human body while using thermal signature. In layman term, the visual would be a red moving body among dark surrounding.

But this is not the case always. Depending on surrounding this signature varies from red to purple sometimes. So in this case, we need to study the surrounding rather then looking for a heat patch. In nature we do know that nothing is complete black or white, nothing is complete round or square. The human silhouette also cant defy the nature. So in a natural environment, when you have your enemy in thermal camouflage, he is basically covering up his physical temperature. But in doing so he is making himself cooler then most of his surrounding.

If you have ever seen through a thermal imager, you would know that every rock or bush or tree does have their unique signature. Imitating those is next to impossible for any human being. His thermal signature would always differ from his surrounding no matter how much cool he try to make himself. In fact they doesn't even try to bring down the temperature. They simply scatter the pattern for imager to register.

So its all about using the imager in a innovative way. But for that you have to first make out a base line of studying the environment. I think @Mikesingh might have got what I mean to say.

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[Chinmoy]

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If you would have read the news and observed the pic by @Mikesingh , you would not have given this reaction. Anyway I am posting the image again.

Ignore the left side image, just look at the right side image in ghillie suit. Although it has scattered the usual thermal signature, then too it has stood out from its surrounding.

Here is one another image.

Look at that ghost suit. It too is doing the same. The objective of any thermal camouflage is to scatter the thermal pattern. You could consider this as removing 3 million pixel from lets say a 5 megapixel picture. In absence of those pixel, it would not disappear, but its identifiable shape would be changed. Now instead of looking for a complete picture, you would have to analyse what you are seeing instead of it.

Look at this report.

“The electronic surveillance of the incident is being analysed and nothing can be ruled out. It could be a new camouflage overall that the Pakistani side is using to take a close aim and hit Indian troops at the border or it could also be an indigenous way of wearing a wet-sack like clothing to evade the HHTI radar,” a senior officer in the security establishment said.

Now when you make use of something makeshift like this, then too instead of killing your thermal signature, you would be creating a new signature. Have a look at this image.

This is the thermal image of a bat. Look how it is getting displayed due to its ambient body temperature which stands out in a hot surrounding. To identify this bat in a thermal imager, you don't look for the usual glowing fig, but what is cooler in that surrounding.

Moreover its not like that HHTI had not captured anything. It did, but it was not what BSF was used to see. Look at this part of the report.

The footage showed a “very-grained black shadow like movement” which came close to BSF post and took a head-shot at Yadav, officials told PTI.

It did captured the image and movement.

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

Army & CRPF During CT Ops

 

[katiyarash]

Don't Know if this is right thread but currently Major Gogoi's name trending on Twitter and Kashmiri media and many of tukde tukde media people claiming he is caught with some minor girl in a hotel. While totally ignoring the other part of news that she came to meet with local man.
May be some informer but most of the presstitutes misreporting it with masala.

 

[AnantS]

@Chinmoy & @Mikesingh Thanks for lucid explanation. What I was alluding to build a sensor fusion kind of solution where data from Ground Radar and HHTI could be merged to build better picture? A variant of Ground Moving target indication (GMTI) enabling Algos be implemented in Ground Radar to detect moving camouflaged objects - Along with enabling motion detector in HHTI? Scenes from both sources could be merged to bring a more clear better picture? AI could help in detecting moving objects and Radar could be possibly help in ranging a detected object to determine if its moving towards you or way from you?

Just a wild random thought ....

 

[undeadmyrmidon]

Don't Know if this is right thread but currently Major Gogoi's name trending on Twitter and Kashmiri media and many of tukde tukde media people claiming he is caught with some minor girl in a hotel. While totally ignoring the other part of news that she came to meet with local man.
May be some informer but most of the presstitutes misreporting it with masala.

This drama along with Karnataka nautanki is last ditch attempt by globalists to subdue India before 2019 election. Fight brothers! Spare none!

 

[Pandeyji]

A picture speaks thousand words! Kashmiri girls shake hands with soldier in Srinagar, Kashmir. This is how security forces interact with people of the valley. But the media never shows such pics. Stone throwing hogs the limelight.

This is why we fight. For these children. For the 1000s of Kashmiris who rush to join army & crpf. For those who are patriots.

 

[Mikesingh]

@Chinmoy & @Mikesingh Thanks for lucid explanation. What I was alluding to build a sensor fusion kind of solution where data from Ground Radar and HHTI could be merged to build better picture? A variant of Ground Moving target indication (GMTI) enabling Algos be implemented in Ground Radar to detect moving camouflaged objects - Along with enabling motion detector in HHTI? Scenes from both sources could be merged to bring a more clear better picture? AI could help in detecting moving objects and Radar could be possibly help in ranging a detected object to determine if its moving towards you or way from you?

Just a wild random thought ....

Good point. The Instruments Research & Development Establishment (IRDE) and Defence Electronics Application Laboratory (DEAL) are on it already. Hope they produce these sensors incorporating advanced AI at the earliest.

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

Army , CRPF & JKP CT Ops

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

CRPF , ARMY & JKP During Kashmir CT Ops

 

[Mac13202]

Nice to some police vest:biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2:

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

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CRPF

JKP