Indian Coast Guard inventory to have 200 ships, 100 aircrafts by 2020

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    Coast Guard hovercraft enthrals Rushikonda beach visitors - The Hindu

    VISAKHAPATNAM, January 28, 2014
    Updated: January 28, 2014 10:47 IST

    It was like a scene straight out of a James Bond movie. The Monday morning crowd at Rushikonda Beach were puzzled to see a ‘strange-looking ship’ approaching the beach menacingly.

    Water jets gushed out like fountains from the sides of the vessel, and as it halted, it raised a cloud of dust blocking the onlookers’ view. They watched in awe as the Coast Guard personnel told them it was a ‘hovercraft’, which beached at Rushikonda on its way to Haldia port.

    “It’s an 8,000 TD series hovercraft built in the United Kingdom (UK). It has two engines and can attain a speed of around 50 knots. The hovercraft, brought by a ship to Chennai, will be based in Haldia,” Commandant Sailesh Gupta, pilot of the hovercraft, said.

    “During natural calamities near Sunderbans, the villagers remain confined to their homes making the rescue operation difficult. The hovercraft, which can move in shallow waters and even in marshy lands, is useful in reaching out to them and undertaking rescue operations,” Commandant Gupta said.

    “We are making efforts to procure a hovercraft for Visakhapatnam Coast Guard base. The Indian Coast Guard has 12 hovercrafts and they are operated in shallow and strategically important areas,” Commander M.A. Talha, Deputy Inspector General, Coast Guard District, told The Hindu.

    It will leave Visakhapatnam coast on Tuesday morning to join the fleet of other crafts for strengthening surveillance on the eastern front of Sandhead and Sunderbans.

    MIGHT ON DISPLAY: A Coast Guard hovercraft at Rushikonda Beach during a transit halt in Visakhapatnam on Monday. Photo: K.R. Deepak
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    Indian coast guards should also deploy its jawans on the beachs with atleat INSAS and LMGs
     
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    Jawans on beaches is not the right thing. Beaches should be under the surveillance of local police from land and the CGI from the waters.
     
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    Sir,afaik the I.C.G. is only responsible for the maritime border of our country.so they are responsible for any recreational boating activity in that part of the sea.but recreational boating inside the land border( lakes or rivers) are the responsibility of the respective state Govt.
    in West Bengal(my home state),we have the marine police to look after any boating activity in the rivers,reservoirs or in the lakes and if any mishap occurs in this case then the State police has a special Disaster Response team which will handle the situation.
     
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    Commissioning of Fast Patrol Vessel ICGS ‘Abhinav’ 15-January-2014 18:22 IST

    The Indian Coast Guard Ship ‘Abhinav’, the third in the series of twenty Fast Patrol Vessels (FPVs), designed and built by M/s Cochin Shipyard Limited, was commissioned today at Kochi by the Director General of Coast Guard, Vice Admiral Anurag G Thapliyal.

    The 50 meter indigenous FPV displaces 290 tonnes and can achieve a maximum speed of 33 knots with an endurance of 1500 nautical miles at economical speed of 13 knots, equipped with state-of-the-art weaponry and advanced communication and navigational equipment. She makes an ideal platform for undertaking multifarious close-coast missions such as surveillance, interdiction, search and rescue and medical evacuation. The special features of the ship include an Integrated Bridge Management System (IBMS), Integrated Machinery Control System (IMCS) and an integrated gun mount with indigenous Fire Control System (FCS).

    In his address during the commissioning ceremony, Vice Admiral Anurag G Thapliyal termed the FPVs as the work horses of Coast Guard. The Flag Officer also dwelt upon the fast paced development of the Indian Coast Guard and acknowledged the support of Government for the Coast Guard’s plan to increase force levels substantially to face the emerging security challenges in the maritime domain. He emphasised the importance Government of India accords to Coastal Security in view of the asymmetric threats from the sea. Indian Coast Guard will be a 150 ships/boats and 100 aircraft maritime force in next five years. In addition to these operational assets, a Coastal Surveillance Network is being established with 46 stations to ensure real time coastal surveillance.

    The ship has been named ICGS ‘Abhinav’, literally meaning ‘Modern’, and will be based at Kochi under the administrative and operational control of the Commander, Coast Guard Region (West).

    The ship is commanded by Commandant (JG) Raman Kumar and has complement of 05 officers and 34 other ranks.

    On this occasion, Inspector General SPS Basra Commander Coast Guard Region (West) and other senior dignitaries of the Central and State Government were present.

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    sir i thik local police dosent has the calibre or capability to perform the duty coast guatd should also be deployed on the beaches
     
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    FOC-in-C (South) presides over commissioning of ICGS Aadesh : News & Events : Indian Navy

    COMMISSIONING OF INDIAN COAST GUARD SHIP C-149

    COMMISSIONING OF ICGS AADESH ON 13 DECEMBER 2013

    1. The Indian Coast Guard Ship ‘Aadesh’, the first in the series of twenty Fast Patrol Vessels (FPVs), designed and built by M/s Cochin Shipyard Limited, was commissioned on 13 Dec 13 at Kochi by the Commander in Chief (South) Vice Admiral Satish Soni, PVSM, AVSM, NM, in the presence of Inspector General SPS Basra, YSM, PTM, TM, Commander Coast Guard Region (West) and other senior dignitaries of the Central and State Govt.

    2. The 50 meter indigenous FPV displaces 290 Tonnes and can achieve a maximum speed of 33 knots with an endurance of 1500 nautical miles at economical speed of 13 knots, equipped with State-of-the-Art weaponry and advanced communication and navigational equipment. She makes an ideal platform for undertaking multifarious close-coast missions such as surveillance, interdiction, search and rescue and medical evacuation. The special features of the ship include an Integrated Bridge Management System (IBMS), Integrated Machinery Control System (IMCS) and an Integrated Gun Mount with Indigenous Fire Control System (FCS).

    3. The ICGS Aadesh will be based at Tuticorin under the administrative and operational control of the Commander, Coast Guard Region (East). The ship is commanded by Commandant SR Nagendran.

    4. The ship on joining the Coast Guard Fleet will enhance Coast Guard’s capability in furthering its mandate of Maritime Safety & Security, Environmental Protection and Coastal Security on the Eastern sea

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    COMMISSIONING OF ICGS ABHEEK ON 31 DECEMBER 2013

    1. The Indian Coast Guard Ship ‘Abheek’, the second in the series of twenty Fast Patrol Vessels (FPVs), designed and built by M/s Cochin Shipyard Limited, was Commissioned on 31 Dec 13 at Kochi by Shri AK Antony, the Hon’ble Raksha Mantri in the presence of Vice Admiral Anurag G Thapliyal, AVSM, Director General Indian Coast Guard, Inspector General SPS Basra, YSM, PTM, TM, Commander Coast Guard Region (West) and other senior dignitaries of the central and state Govt.

    2. The 50 meter Indigenous FPV displaces 290 Tonnes and can achieve a maximum speed of 33 knots with an endurance of 1500 nautical miles at economical speed of 13 knots, equipped with state-of-the-art weaponry and advanced communication and navigational equipment. She makes an ideal platform for undertaking multifarious close-coast missions such as surveillance, interdiction, search and rescue and medical evacuation. The special features of the ship include an Integrated Bridge Management System (IBMS), Integrated Machinery Control System (IMCS) and an integrated gun mount with Indigenous Fire Control System (FCS).

    3. The ship has been named ICGS “Abheek”, literally meaning “Fearless”, and will be based at Chennai under the administrative and operational control of the Commander, Coast Guard Region (East). The ship is Commanded by Commandant Manish Kumar Negi.

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    Five years after 26/11, small vessels still a threat: Coast Guard - The Times of India
    Rajat Pandit,TNN | Jan 31, 2014, 09.41 PM IST

    NEW DELHI: Small fishing vessels still pose a clear and present danger to India's coastal security, over five years after Ajmal Kasab and nine other terrorists hijacked MV Kuber to land at Mumbai and wreak havoc during the 26/11 strikes.

    The much-touted coastal security revamp is yet to become fully functional on the ground, with electronic surveillance measures lagging far behind physical ones. Moreover, the Coast Guard continues to make do with a small fleet of ships and aircraft when at least double their numbers are swiftly required to plug operational gaps.

    Coast Guard director-general Vice Admiral Anurag G Thapliyal on Friday said "a lot of work" has been done to bolster coastal security since 26/11, with Rs 600 crore being spent on the Phase-I of the coastal surveillance network (CSN) and another Rs 650 crore approved for Phase-II.

    "The efforts are ongoing but one cannot rule out possibilities. You know terrorists are always trying some out-of-box thinking," he said, speaking in the run-up to the 37th anniversary of Coast Guard on Saturday.

    There are over two lakh fishing boats operating in India, with at least 60,000 of them venturing into the sea every day. But Phase-I of CSN - 36 radar stations on mainland, six in Lakshadweep and Minicoy and four in Andaman and Nicobar - is still not fully operational. The CSN, incidentally, was first mooted well over a decade ago, much before 26/11.

    "Phase-I is in the final phase of stabilization now. It takes time to build, test and tune infrastructure. Phase-II will see 38 more radar stations," said Vice Admiral Thapliyal, adding that a major problem was the difficulty in installing AIS (automatic identification system) transponders on fishing vessels smaller than 20-metre in length.

    The new radar stations, with static radar and electro-optic sensors mounted on lighthouses and masts for an electronic sweep up to 25 nautical miles, can detect and identify only vessels fitted with AIS transponders.

    "A radio-frequency identification system is being worked out through a pilot project for smaller vessels. It's a fact that they do pose a threat for us. Through community interaction programmes, fishermen are becoming our eyes and ears to thwart possible threats at sea," he said.

    But the new coastal security architecture will take another several years to become a reality. The proposed measures include a national AIS chain, transponders on all fishing vessels, VTMS (vessel traffic management system) cover for 13 major and 56 non-major ports, the naval NC3I (national command, control, communication and intelligence) network and the like.

    The integrated "national maritime domain awareness" project, with the NC3I network as its backbone, for instance, is stuck in bureaucratic red-tape. The network was supposed to fuse all data from radars, transponders and the like to generate a "common operational picture" of all ongoing activities at sea.

    The Coast Guard itself need to be strengthened. At present, it has 133 "surface units", including just six advanced offshore patrol vessels (OPVs), nine OPVs, 17 fast patrol vessels and 14 inshore patrol vessels. The "air units", in turn, are limited to 39 Dornier maritime surveillance aircraft, 20 Chetak choppers and four advanced light helicopters. Coast Guard officials, however, say plans are afoot to make it a 200-ship and 100-aircraft force by 2018.
     
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    Local police is competant enough to take care of the coast from land. Only thing is they are little under equipped.
     
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    It is a British designed hovercraft, but AFAIK, all of them are made in India, by GRSE: http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/military-multimedia/56059-hovercraft.html
     
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    As per the ICGS’ in-house analysis (for the 2002-2007 Plan), it requires 175 ships and 221 aircraft for effective patrolling of the EEZ, coastal and shallow waters. Against this, India’s CAG audit report reveals that the ICGS had only 68 ships/vessels and 45 aircraft as of January 2008. Out of the 28 ships/vessels available with for patrolling of the entire West Coast, 16 ships/vessels, of all types, were based in the Maharashtra and Gujarat areas. Ten ships in 2007 and 14 ships/vessels in 2008 and 2009 deployed in the Maharashtra and Gujarat area were responsible for EEZ and International Maritime Boundary Line (IMBL) patrolling. Compared to the force-level of 122 vessels envisaged in the Perspective Plan for the period 1985-2000, the ICGS had by December 2010 possessed only 65% of the required force-level in terms of ships. With respect to the aviation arm, the corresponding figure was 48%. As of December 2010, the ICGS had not processed the cases for acquisition of deep-sea patrol vessels (DSPV), medium patrol vessels (MPV) and aerostat-mounted optronic sensors, even though they were envisaged in the Perspective Plan 1985–2000. During the 9th Plan (1997-2002) period the ICGS was able to achieve only about 50% of its targetted acquisitions. During the 10th Plan (2002-2007) period, of the 61 ships planned for acquisition, the procurement action for only 26 ships could be finalised, i.e. a mere 43%. More importantly, not a single acquisition fructified in the plan period against the planned targets. The ICGS acquired 12 vessels, against the contracted-for 26, well after the plan period, only by December 2010. The procurement action for the remaining 35 vessels was carried over to the 11th Plan period (2007-2012). Of these 35 vessels, only 27 vessels had been contracted for by December 2010. Although new projects had been sanctioned during the 11th Plan period, taking into account the planned decommissioning of ships, it proved be difficult for the ICGS to achieve the Perspective Plan (1985-2000) force-levels even by 2012 i.e. by the end of the 11th Plan. The deficiency is now to the extent of 17% and 45% in respect of vessels and aircraft. Presently, 72% of FPVs/IPVs, 47% of AOPVs/OPVs and 37% of interceptor boats are either on extended lives or their extended lives have also expired. Three OPVs meant to be decommissioned in 2003, 2005 and 2006 still remain in service as the contract for their replacement was signed only in February 2006 and the replacements were expected between February 2010 and November 2011, respectively. Thirteen IPVs were to be decommissioned between 1998 and 2006. However, approval of the MoD’s Defence Acquisition Council under the ‘Acceptance of Necessity’ clause was obtained only in August 2006. The contract was concluded in March 2009 and the first vessel was delivered by only August 2011, i.e. 12 years after the first vessel was due for decommissioning.

    The ICGS presently has government sanction to operate four squadrons of Do-228s, four squadrons of SA.316B Alouette-III/Chetak helicopters and one squadron of Dhruv ALH helicopter. As high as 82% of the Chetaks and 54% of the Do-228s are more than 17 years old. This age profile compares unfavourably with the prescribed life of Chetaks (15 years) and that of Do-228s (25 years). In order to meet its requirements primarily for SAR and afloat operations, the Coast Guard’s Development Plan for 1992-1997 had provided for the acquisition of two twin-engined helicopters for which the ICGS had identified the HAL-built Dhruv ALH. However, the first ALH was delivered only in March 2002 and the second ALH in March 2003. The ICGS concluded the contract only in March 2003 with the MoD-owned HAL. Subsequently, a third and fourth Dhruv ALH were received in March 2004 and March 2005, respectively, without any government sanction and contract. The availability of Dhruv ALHs was poor as they remained under evaluation since service induction (2002-2005) till May 2009. Even during evaluation, their serviceability ranged from 21% to 40% and the entire Dhruv ALH fleet was grounded in November 2005 and flying was re-started only in January 2007. Even after seven years of induction of the first helicopter and after incurring an expenditure of Rs162.03 crore, the Dhruv ALH still does not meet the ICGS’ operational requirements, according to the CAG. The Dhruv ALH is thus being exploited only for basic flying as the present state of the helicopters precludes accomplishment of any mission-oriented flying. Worse, the Dhruv ALHs in ICGS service have not yet been fitted with weather radars, which is a major limitation. Fitment of operational role equipment has also been kept in abeyance. Consequently, these helicopters can neither be exploited for SAR missions nor for afloat operations, pending the resolution of many issues, including rescue hoist trials and certification, structural provisions for SAR operations (like fitment of flotation gear), radar flickering and Doppler failure (of the DRDO-developed and BEL-built Supervision SV-2000 chin-mounted radar), and AFCS software updates for auto-hover capability. Furthermore, fleet serviceability has been poor. On an average the ICGS’ Dhruv ALHs have spent more time at HAL’s facilities than with the squadron since their induction. In September 2007, for every Dhruv ALH, out of 100 hours of flying undertaken by the helicopter, only 30 hours and 40 minutes contributed towards service flying and the remaining was towards maintenance test-flights. The helicopter has been plagued by premature component failures and frequent groundings for complying mandatory servicing instructions and modifications. Lastly, the shipborne deployment has not yet been achieved due to problems in blade-folding even though the ICGS’ new AOPVs have been specifically designed to accommodate the Dhruv ALH on board. The ICGS has a total requirement of 12 twin-engined helicopters against which it presently has four Dhruv ALHs. However, due to extreme dissatisfaction with these helicopters, the ICGS has no other choice but to import alternatives like AgustaWestland Aerospace’s AW-139.

    Despite the MoD and Union Ministry of Finance (MoF) curtailing the ICGS’ projected requirements, actual capital expenditure as a percentage of capital outlay ranged between 82% in the 9th Plan and 53% in the 10th Plan. This was due to delays in finalisation of procurement process and delayed signing of contracts; abnormally slow progress on the part of MoD-owned shipyards to construct the ships; and neutralisation of requirement of spares through revenue budget, cancellation of project, expiry of validity of approvals of the procurement process, delayed supply of spares, inconclusive trials, etc. In addition, procedural delays at all levels, i.e. ICGS HQ, MoD and Union MoF, were responsible for non-utilisation of the budget. For instance, the delayed conclusion of contact for Interceptor Boats worth Rs213 crore took place in only March 2006, wherein the proposal was mooted as early as December 2001 for procurement. In addition, there was non-sanction of new schemes by the MoD. Thus, the procurement of four new Do-228s, five FLIR turrets for installation on board existing Do-228s as well as integration of ELTA Systems-built EL/M-2022(V)2 radars could not take place in the year 2007-2008 and consequently, Rs70.47 crore had to be surrendered on this account. Lastly, due to the slow progress of construction of ships by the MoD-owned shipyards, Rs120 crore was surrendered in 2008-2009. By the end of the 10th Plan period (2002-2007), even though the ICGS had activated 23 coast guard stations, a large number of these stations continued to function with infrastructural/fleet deficiencies. These deficiencies were yet to be made good as of December 2010 at most of the stations. Post 26/11, the Govt of India had sanctioned 14 new stations in a span of 18 months (between June 2009 and November 2010). However, only five had been activated till December 2010.

    TRISHUL: Coastal Security/Constabulary Operations Versus Provision Of Maritime Security
     
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    BLASTING IN: The public can see the H-94 hovercraft in action on Panambur, Thannirbavi, Ullal and Malpe beaches till Wednesday. Photo: R. Eswarraj


    Visitors gather at Panambur beach to see hovercraft - The Hindu

    The 21-metre hovercraft of the Coast Guard that arrived here provided much excitement to people on Panambur beach on Friday afternoon.

    A large number of people gathered on the beach to take a close look at the hovercraft. A private FM Radio channel gave away balloons to Coast Guard officers, who released it soon after it arrived.

    Tourists, including a few Tibetans, went around the hovercraft and took snaps with sailors and other hovercraft crew members.

    This 21-metre long hovercraft, which moves both on sea and land, arrived at 2.30 p.m. from Mumbai.

    The Indian Coast Guard has sent this hovercraft on a preliminary mission to survey the 320-km state coastline.

    The hovercraft (H-194) first arrived in Karwar where it was stationed for a few days.

    It left Karwar around 7 a.m. braving heavy winds close to Murudeshwar. “We could achieve maximum speed of 30 knots though the vessel can travel at 40 knots,” said Commandant Sandeep Safaya, Captain of the hovercraft in which ten sailors and two officers travelled.

    The Indian Coast Guard’s hovercraft – a state-of-art air cushion vessel used for surveillance and search and rescue mission – arrived at Panambur beach on Friday. The hovercraft will be open for public viewing for the next five days.

    Deputy Inspector General (Indian Coast Guards) Rajmani Sharma said the H-194 hovercraft would be identifying and mapping beaches where hovercrafts could land. Mr. Sharma said 15 acres of land in Bengre had been identified for constructing the hoverport for two vessels to be stationed here.

    “We have got the necessary clearances.

    We are waiting for the allotment of land in our name for the construction of hoverport,” he said.

    Mr. Sharma said the Coast Guard had proposed to have an air enclave (air base) at Bajpe airport that would have hangers and other facilities for Chetak helicopters and surveillance aircraft Dornier.

    The Coast Guard had paid Rs. 1.88 crore for the acquisition of 15 acres of land. They were waiting for the District administration to hand over the land, he said.

    The Coast Guard will be basing two hovercrafts in Mangalore necessary for surveillance and other operations along Karnataka coastline.
     
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    Next step is to build some thing like this

    Zubr Hovercraft

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    you are making a huge gap in between,
    first let them make medium vessel like this.

    i dont know why India prefers to build Light things like LCA, LCH, LOH, LAH....
     
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    Crawl,walk,run.
     
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    ya i said the same, he wanted India to build Zubr class after this small one...
     
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    HoverCrafts are not that difficult to build it is not a huge gap.

    regarding LCA,LCH and all these are suitable for the requirements of Indian terrains like Himalayas a key terrain in the defense of the country.
     
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    Did not know where else to post this (Don't we need a dedicated Coast Guard thread?)

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    The pilots must have had nerves of steel to pull this off so smoothly...
     

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