Indian Army's Motive Behind Ceasefire Violations

[Ray]

very well you mentioned UN resolution no 47,
resolution also said that India should also withdraw her Army and only minimum army should be left to maintain Law and Order, 7 Lac Indian Army, dozen of BSF battalions CRPF is required to maintain Law and Order?
it also said India should recruit local Kashmiris in Forces. Tell me how many Kashmiri Muslims has been recruited?
except this one demand that you quoted, all others are for Indian State.

You are conveniently suffering from lack of comprehension.

Pakistan has to withdraw first and India will maintain a presence to ensure law and order.

First withdraw and then talk.


Where is it mandatory that India has to recruit Kashmiris in the Forces?

Quote the UN resolution please.

and anyway, let me educate you, the JAK Light Infantry is composed of Kashmiris.

And there are many Kashmiris even in other Regiments including mine.

You must not spew Pakistani propaganda here just because you are not told the truth in Pakistan.

 

[anupamsurey]

i know very well how much your media is free, Pakistan allowed UN observer group to visit LOC but India didin't why? you people can lie to your people but everyone is not blind.

do you know what goes around in international circle?
my sincerer request is for you to know the truth and comment, UNOG was in india since 60 years and only the present govt scrapped its existence from kashmir..as it rightly found out that it has no role in kasmir solution...and it still exist in new delhi......since we (both India- pak) have already said that kashmir can newer be solved in UN and it must be solved through bilateral talks, then what is a need of 3rd party ?.
it is not the first time that pakistan has raised the K issue in UN (of course without any effect), since it doesnt has any leverage on the kashmiries, the recent ceasefire by paki is to show the world that "two nuclear nations are exchanging fire" please come and interfere-aka internationalise the issue, but the timing of ceasefire is always at crucial times like....political crisis in PAK, of elections in jammu and kashmir, to infiltrate terrorists in kashmir............your author does fail to mention this.
the mention of kashmir by pakistan is just like a cry babies rants and for toy which it cant have.

 

[anupamsurey]

my point is let paki post such threads,
we can do a systematic dissection and show them that who is diseased,
even though i doubt that years of brain washing can be cured so easily but atleast we will have fun of destroying some paki misconceptions and egos.

 

[Kashif]

do you know what goes around in international circle?
my sincerer request is for you to know the truth and comment, UNOG was in india since 60 years and only the present govt scrapped its existence from kashmir..as it rightly found out that it has no role in kasmir solution...and it still exist in new delhi......since we (both India- pak) have already said that kashmir can newer be solved in UN and it must be solved through bilateral talks, then what is a need of 3rd party ?.
it is not the first time that pakistan has raised the K issue in UN (of course without any effect), since it doesnt has any leverage on the kashmiries, the recent ceasefire by paki is to show the world that "two nuclear nations are exchanging fire" please come and interfere-aka internationalise the issue, but the timing of ceasefire is always at crucial times like....political crisis in PAK, of elections in jammu and kashmir, to infiltrate terrorists in kashmir............your author does fail to mention this.
the mention of kashmir by pakistan is just like a cry babies rants and for toy which it cant have.

This hypocrisy of India is not understandable, when Pakistan raise Kashmir issue ar International level India say it is a bileteral issue and we have to resolve it in one on one talks, it means you India accept that it is a dispute between two countries but in secretary level talks India claim Kashmir her Atoot Ang, two faces of India.

 

[Ray]

This hypocrisy of India is not understandable, when Pakistan raise Kashmir issue ar International level India say it is a bileteral issue and we have to resolve it in one on one talks, it means you India accept that it is a dispute between two countries but in secretary level talks India claim Kashmir her Atoot Ang, two faces of India.

Why are you exhibting your abject ignorance and coming out so pathetic.

Do you take this Forum to be your school to educate you and clear your ignorance?

Heard of the Simla Agreement that was signed after Pakistan was roundly defeated in the 1971 War and we allowed 93000 PsW to return to Pakistan?

It was signed in that Agreement that Kashmir was to be a bilateral and not multilateral issue.

Are you suggesting that true to form Pakistan is reneging on its solemn word as agreed as per the Simla Agreement?

Are you suggesting that Pakistan cannot keep its word?

There is no two face of India insisting that it is a bilateral issue.

 

[Ray]

The Simla Agreement (or Shimla Agreement) was signed between India and Pakistan on July 2, 1972 in Simla.

The agreement was ratified by the Parliaments of both the nations in same year.

An extract from the Text of the Agreement

That the two countries are resolved to settle their differences by peaceful means through bilateral negotiations or by any other peaceful means mutually agreed upon between them. Pending the final settlement of any of the problems between the two countries, neither side shall unilaterally alter the situation and both shall prevent the organization, assistance or encouragement of any acts detrimental to the maintenance of peace and harmonious relations.

 

[ghost]

This is not a first time in the history of Pakistan that Indian Army violated ceasefire, when Pakistan Army and Pakistan Rangers retaliate they start screaming and shouting on Media about ceasefire violation by Pakistan Army.

India calls herself the Champion of Peace, but its exertion express different story. This is a one side story that one contravene and other reciprocate but most of us don't know what its B-side is? What is a reason behind these violations? Why they escalate the tension and then how all of sudden everything becomes normal? what are the motives of Indian Army behind this escalation? This is a question that appears in mind of every one who lives either near border or LOC.

India is the 4th biggest buyer of weapons of mass destruction in the world, and after this new BJP government they want to run more faster than ever in this race.

We have to understand basic facts/reasons behind these violation, 33 percent people of world who live beneath the line of poverty live in India, and we know how much of Indian population don't have the facility of basic commodities. Despite of all these basic problems, India spent a lot of money on Defense budget; whenever they are near to ink a new deal with Israel/Russia or USA they escalate tension on border either on Chinese LAC or on Pak side via ceasefire violations or intrusion to justify the grant of huge amount for the procurement of arms.

Indian Media always played very big role in this campaign, not only state TV Dordarshan but their private media groups also work under their command. They create hype, play false stories and create terrifying situation and war mongers take advantage of this situation. One more reason behind this Indian aggression is our Prime Minister Mian Muhammad Nawaz Sharif's attitude, like he reacted on Modi's invitation, never talked about Kashmir and also accepted their request to not meet with Huriyyat Leaders on his visit. Modi felt that now game is over, PM of Pakistan is under pressure and he won't speak for Kashmir in upcoming UNGA session. No doubt India was not expecting that Prime Minister Muhammad Nawaz Sharif will raise Kashmir issue in UNGA.

But PM of Pakistan raises Kashmir issue once again and blamed India for another "missed opportunity" to address outstanding issues by cancelling the foreign secretary talks. India want to divert attention of world from her brutality in Kashmir, Its been 67 years Indian Army is continuously busy in genocide of Kashmiri Muslims.

One more reason behind these violation is ongoing successful operation Zarb-e-Azb of Pakistan Army against terrorist in North Waziristan Area, 90 percent of areas has been cleared and hundreds of terrorist's hideouts has been destroyed. Most of terrorist who were present in North Waziristan are dead or they ran away towards their handlers sitting in Indian consulates in Afghanistan near Af-Pak border. Pakistan Army recovered concrete evidence of involvement of RAW from NWA. Now at this time when Army is focusing on this operation, this border tension is being created by Indian Army for distraction.

This type of Indian aggression was expected after a rise of Hindu nationalist party BJP, most of BJP MLAs are member of extremist organization RSS/VHP and supreme court of India has already conveyed to PMO India that he has criminals in his cabinet, even Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Home Minister Rajnath Singh are active members of RSS. Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi is well known as an anti Muslim and anti Pakistan politician worldwide. He has shown his negative thinking towards Pakistan in many interviews. On recent ceasefire violation by India, Reuters reported the official version of India. What they reported is as under:-

"The message we have been given from the prime minister's office is very clear and precise," said a senior Indian Home Ministry official. "The prime minister's office has instructed us to ensure that Pakistan suffers deep and heavy losses".

Now what?? India will mobilize her troops? they'll do again what they did after Mumbai attacks or back in 2001 after Parliament attacks?? The answer is no...! They won't. So its time that India should stop playing with fire and stop this anarchy in the greatest interest of region and precisely for two countries Pakistan and India. India should also stop her act of aggression in Kashmir as Kashmir being an International disputed territory needs an International plebiscite under the flag of United Nation.

India does not care what Pakistan thinks,says, demand or beg about Kashmir.Fact is Kashmir was,is and will forever remain part of India.

Sincere advice:
You and Pakistan should overcome this habit of begging for Kashmir from everyone

And when your army gets time from its other interest

You should ask them to grow some balls,you want kashmir come get kashmir

 

[sorcerer]

This hypocrisy of India is not understandable, when Pakistan raise Kashmir issue ar International level India say it is a bileteral issue

Not just India told you that its bilateral issue. Every other nation who supports you told the same to you.

1) UN said it is a bilateral issue and ask Pakistan to scoot and talk to INdia.
2) USA who is Pakistans master said, it is a bilateral issue and asked you to talk to India
3) China which is your deep friend said to Pakistan that KAshimir is a bilateral issue and should be resolved by talks.
4)UK told you its a bilaterl issue and asked you to talk to India.

and we have to resolve it in one on one talks, it means you India accept that it is a dispute between two countries but in secretary level talks India claim Kashmir her Atoot Ang, two faces of India.

in INdia or in Indian context talks happen between Govt to Govt. not Govt to terrorist or Govt to separatist like in Pakistan

Just before the talks between Pak and India was to happen your Amabassador talked to seperatists. Seperatists are not what decides things in India. India has a fully functional Responsible Govt which decides how the country should move forward.

 

[Srinivas_K]

This hypocrisy of India is not understandable, when Pakistan raise Kashmir issue ar International level India say it is a bileteral issue and we have to resolve it in one on one talks, it means you India accept that it is a dispute between two countries but in secretary level talks India claim Kashmir her Atoot Ang, two faces of India.

Why is Pakistan raising Kashmir Issue Jumping up and down ??

Kashmir is an independent Princely state, Maharaja decided to go with India. It is an issue Between Kashmiris and India.

You people have nothing to do with this issue !!

The bilateral talks are because

1) some of the Kashmiri territory is occupied by Pakistan and China.

2) Terror infiltration.

3) Water treaties.

Pakistans stance is "let Kashmiris decide it for themselves" nothing more !!

 

[Ray]

Not just India told you that its bilateral issue. Every other nation who supports you told the same to you.

1) UN said it is a bilateral issue and ask Pakistan to scoot and talk to INdia.
2) USA who is Pakistans master said, it is a bilateral issue and asked you to talk to India
3) China which is your deep friend said to Pakistan that KAshimir is a bilateral issue and should be resolved by talks.
4)UK told you its a bilaterl issue and asked you to talk to India.



in INdia or in Indian context talks happen between Govt to Govt. not Govt to terrorist or Govt to separatist like in Pakistan

Just before the talks between Pak and India was to happen your Amabassador talked to seperatists. Seperatists are not what decides things in India. India has a fully functional Responsible Govt which decides how the country should move forward.

But his textbook has not told him so.

And maybe he does not read the newspapers.

 

[Kashif]

The Simla Agreement (or Shimla Agreement) was signed between India and Pakistan on July 2, 1972 in Simla.

The agreement was ratified by the Parliaments of both the nations in same year.

An extract from the Text of the Agreement

So please enlighten me, if one party is not agree to even add Kashmir issue in agenda points of talk than what options are remaining with other party?

 

[anupamsurey]

This hypocrisy of India is not understandable, when Pakistan raise Kashmir issue ar International level India say it is a bileteral issue and we have to resolve it in one on one talks, it means you India accept that it is a dispute between two countries but in secretary level talks India claim Kashmir her Atoot Ang, two faces of India.

you are not understanding the situation, who said that the part under India is negotiable (it is our so called atoot ang), we are talking about the pakistan occupied kashmir, ask your ganja PM about the stand of pakistan on POK (they haven't made it clear yet)- oops sorry you donot have right to information?

the paki sarbaraans haven't made their public privy of such info, it proves my point all alone pakis dont care about kashmir thye just raise it to create insecurities in mind of naive and brainwashed, madrasa taught pakis, and distract them from real problems in pakistan.

 

[sydsnyper]

@Kashif, do you still have any arguments supporting your post??? from what I see, all your arguments have been dismantled and ground to dust.

 

[Ray]

So please enlighten me, if one party is not agree to even add Kashmir issue in agenda points of talk than what options are remaining with other party?

Just too bad.

Simla Agreement has to be followed.

One who does not follow what is ratified by their Parliament (Pakistan), it proves that they cannot keep their word of honour and cannot be trusted.

That is all.

 

[sorcerer]

So please enlighten me, if one party is not agree to even add Kashmir issue in agenda points of talk than what options are remaining with other party?

Kashmir is an Indian problem cuz Pakistan is trying to 'liberate' something which rightly does not belong to Pakistan.

The whole point of talk between India and Pakistan is to tell PAkistan Govt to move back and stop wasting aide money (Pak doesnt do very well in Tax collection !!! So its all aide money) by firing along LOC. Every escalation will cost Pakistan economy so much.

The option remaining with other party (Pakistan) is to move back into previously agreed position as of accession document by Kashmir's maharaja - that it was signed in Jammu on 26 October 1947.

I Shriman Inder Mahander Rajrajeswar Maharajadhiraj Shri Hari Singhji, Jammu and Kashmir Naresh Tatha Tibbetadi Deshadhipathi, Ruler of Jammu and Kashmir, in the exercise of my sovereignty in and over my said State do hereby execute this my Instrument of Accession and

1. I hereby declare that I accede to the Dominion of India with the intent that the governor-general of India, the Dominion Legislature, the Federal Court and any other Dominion authority established for the purposes of the Dominion shall, by virtue of this my Instrument of Accession but subject always to the terms thereof, and for the purposes only of the Dominion, exercise in relation to the State of Jammu and Kashmir (hereinafter referred to as "this State") such functions as may be vested in them by or under the Government of India Act, 1935, as in force in the Dominion of India, on the 15th day of August, 1947, (which Act as so in force is hereafter referred to as "the Act").

Instrument of Accession (Jammu and Kashmir) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Well, may be this is not taught in your schools.. Its okay. truth will prevail over ignorance in this more connected world.

Hope that now you understand the fact behind the farts on J&K

 

[Hari Sud]

Poor Pakistani Foreign Office, did not prepare well for a media offensive to back their claim. Now everybody believes that it is Pakistan who initiates the firing. India got sick and tired and fired back.

Initially it appeared a master stroke to ask Kashmir separatists to come and see the Pakistani High Commissioner in Delhi. They had been doing this for a good period of twenty years to irritate India, but India did nothing, but pocketed the insult. What the Pakistanis did not count that the the new sheriff in Delhi in Modi, will not tolerate it. He simply told them to go get lost. It was snub of monumental proportion to which Pakistan was not prepared and had not galvanized the publicity system. Pakistani complained to the UN General Assembly but nobody was listening, they complained to Washigton and London. They were too busy in Ukraine and Syria, hence told them to talk to India instead.

Finally jolted, Pakistanis began firing across the LOC. They hoped, it would draw the world's attention.

It did, but in a negative way, with everybody telling Pakistan to cool it.

Now it has become an occasional firing and in a big way Pakistan lost this dual too.

 

[Ancient Indian]

@Kashif
stop watching NDTV dude...

 

[SADAKHUSH]

This is not a first time in the history of Pakistan that Indian Army violated ceasefire, when Pakistan Army and Pakistan Rangers retaliate they start screaming and shouting on Media about ceasefire violation by Pakistan Army.

India calls herself the Champion of Peace, but its exertion express different story. This is a one side story that one contravene and other reciprocate but most of us don't know what its B-side is? What is a reason behind these violations? Why they escalate the tension and then how all of sudden everything becomes normal? what are the motives of Indian Army behind this escalation? This is a question that appears in mind of every one who lives either near border or LOC.

India is the 4th biggest buyer of weapons of mass destruction in the world, and after this new BJP government they want to run more faster than ever in this race.

We have to understand basic facts/reasons behind these violation, 33 percent people of world who live beneath the line of poverty live in India, and we know how much of Indian population don't have the facility of basic commodities. Despite of all these basic problems, India spent a lot of money on Defense budget; whenever they are near to ink a new deal with Israel/Russia or USA they escalate tension on border either on Chinese LAC or on Pak side via ceasefire violations or intrusion to justify the grant of huge amount for the procurement of arms.

Indian Media always played very big role in this campaign, not only state TV Dordarshan but their private media groups also work under their command. They create hype, play false stories and create terrifying situation and war mongers take advantage of this situation. One more reason behind this Indian aggression is our Prime Minister Mian Muhammad Nawaz Sharif's attitude, like he reacted on Modi's invitation, never talked about Kashmir and also accepted their request to not meet with Huriyyat Leaders on his visit. Modi felt that now game is over, PM of Pakistan is under pressure and he won't speak for Kashmir in upcoming UNGA session. No doubt India was not expecting that Prime Minister Muhammad Nawaz Sharif will raise Kashmir issue in UNGA.

But PM of Pakistan raises Kashmir issue once again and blamed India for another "missed opportunity" to address outstanding issues by cancelling the foreign secretary talks. India want to divert attention of world from her brutality in Kashmir, Its been 67 years Indian Army is continuously busy in genocide of Kashmiri Muslims.

One more reason behind these violation is ongoing successful operation Zarb-e-Azb of Pakistan Army against terrorist in North Waziristan Area, 90 percent of areas has been cleared and hundreds of terrorist's hideouts has been destroyed. Most of terrorist who were present in North Waziristan are dead or they ran away towards their handlers sitting in Indian consulates in Afghanistan near Af-Pak border. Pakistan Army recovered concrete evidence of involvement of RAW from NWA. Now at this time when Army is focusing on this operation, this border tension is being created by Indian Army for distraction.

This type of Indian aggression was expected after a rise of Hindu nationalist party BJP, most of BJP MLAs are member of extremist organization RSS/VHP and supreme court of India has already conveyed to PMO India that he has criminals in his cabinet, even Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Home Minister Rajnath Singh are active members of RSS. Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi is well known as an anti Muslim and anti Pakistan politician worldwide. He has shown his negative thinking towards Pakistan in many interviews. On recent ceasefire violation by India, Reuters reported the official version of India. What they reported is as under:-

"The message we have been given from the prime minister's office is very clear and precise," said a senior Indian Home Ministry official. "The prime minister's office has instructed us to ensure that Pakistan suffers deep and heavy losses".

Now what?? India will mobilize her troops? they'll do again what they did after Mumbai attacks or back in 2001 after Parliament attacks?? The answer is no...! They won't. So its time that India should stop playing with fire and stop this anarchy in the greatest interest of region and precisely for two countries Pakistan and India. India should also stop her act of aggression in Kashmir as Kashmir being an International disputed territory needs an International plebiscite under the flag of United Nation.

I am not surprised with what you have said it is the result of brainwashing since 1947. Your leadders are doing what China's CPC+PLA does to their own citizens. I wish you stay in the dark and some day we will come to release you from the misery.

 

[DingDong]

so thats your logical answer of my Why India not allowed UNMOGIP? impressive

Whole J&K is integral Part of India and the only issue to be settled is return of illegally occupied territories from China and Pakistan. We are not Pakistan which allows "Global" players to play their games on it's soil and allows them to drone it's own people.

Keep crying.

 

[sydsnyper]

No can do sir.... for us its like the human head organizing a plebiscite on whether to separate from the rest of the body....

Balochistan is different, pakis are the gangrene on the balochis, waiting to be severed from the infection.

so thats your logical answer of my Why India not allowed UNMOGIP? impressive