Indian Army Spike Anti Tank Guided Missile Boost to Infantry Regiments

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  1. Bhadra

    Bhadra Defence Professionals Defence Professionals Senior Member

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    Well, all the best. But how can you when the cost of 50 seekers is 32 cores (old prices must be more now)
    https://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/v...&p=2290637&hilit=cost+of+NAG+seekers#p2290637
     
  2. ezsasa

    ezsasa Senior Member Veteran Member Senior Member

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    That's outlay for over all future procurement plans, doesn't mean that the amount is spent.
    you are claiming 4.5 billion $ already spent.
    i am trying to find DRDO parliamentary standing committee report of previous years, until last year i was tracking these reports religiously. no where such huge amounts have been allocated to NAG program. all DRDO projects worth over 100 crores have to be mentioned in those reports.

    @ALBY @Indx TechStyle do you guys have any insight on this?
     
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    Indx TechStyle War Mongerer Veteran Member Senior Member

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    Same here, $4.5 billions is a huge amount. I can't find anything in news. If it was, this thread wouldn't have been this silent.
     
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    Advaidhya Tiwari Senior Member Senior Member

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    Firstly, DRDO was never funded properly and the sanctions to make the NAG ATGM was continually sabotaged by revising GSQR.

    The MPATGM started in 2015 only and it has reached trials already. I would call it a good success.

    But if government dowsndofund or aemy changea GSQR every 2 years, how ro develop?
    Coat of seekers will come down once serial production starts. Making individual seekers is very expensive and difficult. Only after mass production starts, will coat come down
     
  5. Bhadra

    Bhadra Defence Professionals Defence Professionals Senior Member

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    Ok that figure is not correct.
    So what will be proved ?
    That 30 years delay was justified ?
    That NAG MPATGM is fully indigenous ?
    That NAG MPATGM is cheaper than foreign Mal ?
    That NAG is MPATGM technically the best and out of the world missile ?
    That it is worth taking a risk denuding your defences ? When Pakistan tank come churning our borders we should be ready for "Shahnshah Tussi great Ho - Tohfa Kabool karo"...

    Do not miss the woods for the forest Come to the point..
     
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  6. harsh1912

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    And you think our nag budget is at par with spike and jevlin devlopment budget.
    Well my friend you know very little about indigenization. Please read about it. It will cost more in beginning but in along run it is trillion dollars profit.
     
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  7. Bhadra

    Bhadra Defence Professionals Defence Professionals Senior Member

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    If it is not possible say so and let the things run... there are plenty of missile makers...

    come to the issue
     
  8. Pandeyji

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    Well you seem hell bent on proving your incomptence. The NAG missile program was started in 1983, the NAG MPATGM in 2015. A world of difference.

    And even the NAG program was complete by 2010 but as I have proven before it was the army which threw a tantrum & stopped the induction on filmsiest of grounds.

    But then again your posts show an accurate inability to process such complex ideas.
     
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  9. Bhadra

    Bhadra Defence Professionals Defence Professionals Senior Member

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    Are Guru ab to banao...

    Na Banaunga Na Lene Doonga ...
    Rahne Do Tumase Na Hoga

    I would never buy NAG at $50 000 per piece which is friendly to the target and inimical to user.
     
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  10. harsh1912

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    No one is compelling you to buy ....... oh mate i am sorry to say no one is listening to you or me or us on the forum. But we can debate on advantages or disadvantages.
    But my friend you are blindingly licking foreign products catalogues. Please debate on facts and my suggestion is everything related to defence is only decide by keeping one thing in mind nation first.
    You want to protect your country then please see national interest.
    You can see Chinese example..... they start making really poor quality now they are doing quiet well. Even we are not doing that poorly. And money does not matter if product is indigenous. Money that government paid go to our people and comes back with circulation. It is good for economy.
     
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    On a lighter note:
    T-90s may have thousand problems and shortcomings, but unko maaf kar do..galti ho jaate hai..when it comes to Indian products - kitna dete hain? Kitne mein aate hain?
    Long live the brown sahibs of our army and our Imported Air Force - they are customers and customer is King, even when they pay with tax payers' money.
    Benefits of indigenization - who cares?
    IP rights - nehi chahiye.
    Ability to upgrade continuously - kyun pareshan karte ho bhai
    Forex savings - Bhai mujhse kya matlab hai. National security hai. Kharcha to karna parega.
    Spend on RnD - Ye Saab chaye pe charcha karke Kya hoga. Point par ao.
    Foreign maal - Abh Aya na point par..
     
  12. Aaj ka hero

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    Sir, you are at right point.
    I have heard even army generals in the media forum saying "we need indigenous products" but all of them are retired(those who I heard).
    But,still I get perplexed when this type of favor of import happen.
    ONE of them is saying a lie, either OUR PRODUCTS REALLY DON'T PASS THE TRIALS or someone else does not want it.
    Anyway, can I use your post in other forums. It is really good in sarcasm and right sarcasm.
     
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    Sure. Honored. :smile:
    .........
     
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    Dont worry about pak armour..most of it is old junk t55 upgrades...t80ud and al khalid only modern types.We have twice the number of t90s than both combined.Apache..cbu 105 anti armour cluster bombs..is enough for them.
    Kornets are kept for china though small in number..and 464 t90ms are coming for LAC because they have relikt and can fire better svinets1 apfsds with 750 mm pen at 2km rather than current 500-550mm with mango on t90s which is enough for pakis.
    We have enough breathing space to develop indigeneous options.
     
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  18. patriots

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    I believe these are stop gap solutions..
    Also critical for a war scenario....
    Also these missiles along with nag will give some time to drdo to complete mpatgm
     
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    Very interesting.......:pound::pound::pound:

    What is "nation First" ? I suppose security of nation first than the security of PSUs and DRDO.
    What is national interest ? When it comes to modernisation vs third class indigenisation, which one serves the nation better ?
    You say Chinese products are poor quality ? It means your products are much superior to defeat Chinese mal. Which one is that ? Name a few .... including prices.

    Is not PSU and DRDO paying money to foreign firms when a product is only of 20-30 indigenous component ?

    Is there a competition between MoD and PSUs as to who will make payment to foreign company / country ? (thereby who will get commissions) ?

    To sara jhagada ye hai ????:pound::pound::pound:
     
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    SajeevJino Long walk Elite Member

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    when your enemy comes with Rifle but you refuse to buy a rifle from your friend, Instead of opting your sword to fight ,

    This what the current scenario, What we seeing the NAG today suits upto 2000, We are not gonna fight against the Syrian rebels or Baluchistan fighters , we gonna face the Pakistani Tank columns, they gonna rolls it by segments of 100s and 100.

    Patriotic talks are so good in stages and forums , But it not suits for fights
     

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