Indian Army Spike Anti Tank Guided Missile Boost to Infantry Regiments

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  1. Why so serious?

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    India said planning to scrap $500 million missile deal with Israel
    Massive sale was already called off last year in favor of domestic weapons development, but resurrected after diplomatic push by Netanyahu
    By TAMAR PILEGGI 9 Dec 2018, 8:08 pm 0
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    Illustrative. Israeli soldiers launch a Spike anti-tank guided missile during a training exercise. (Rafael Advanced Defense System)

    India is reportedly planning to scrap a $500 million deal to purchase Spike anti-tank missiles from Israeli defense contractor Rafael, in what would be New Delhi’s second time abandoning the half-billion dollar arms deal.

    The Israeli business daily The Marker on Sunday said Indian officials have requested the Spike missiles produced by government-owned Rafael Advanced Defense Systems undergo additional testing next year, saying the weapon’s infrared system has failed to withstand high temperatures in previous rounds of testing. The Indian military is reportedly concerned about the missiles’ performance in hot, desert conditions.


    On Thursday, an Indian government official told the My Nation Indian news website that the defense establishment was planning to back out of the deal with Rafael in favor of developing missiles domestically.

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    The official said development of the Man Portable Anti Tank Guide Missile (MP-ATGM) was progressing “very fast,” would enter its second stage of testing soon.


    He said the government’s Defense Research and Development Organization could deliver thousands MP-ATGMs in two or three years, the same amount of time he said it would take Raphael to fulfill the same order.

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    Israeli-made Spike missiles are displayed during a street parade marking the 65th anniversary of the Armed Forces Day in Seoul, South Korea, October 1, 2013. (AP/Lee Jin-man/File)
    According to the Marker, Israeli officials have interpreted the request as a sign that New Delhi is looking for a way out of the approximately half-billion-dollar deal that is seen as a major milestone in relations between the two countries.

    The deal was initially struck in 2014, and Rafael Advanced Defense Systems had begun preparations to fulfill the order of 8,000 Spike missiles. Last August, it opened a production facility in India with its local partner, the Kalyani Group, in accordance with the government’s requirements that the weapon be “made in India.”


    Three months later, India pulled out of the deal, reportedly in favor of producing an anti-tank missile domestically. Indian media reports at the time said the reversal was made to protect the government’s DRDO, which was developing its own version of the missile.

    But in January, during an official visit to India that sought to foster closer economic ties, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Narendra Modi’s government was “reauthorizing the Spike deal.”


    According to Indian media, Modi’s government scaled down the order and awarded part of the contract, 5,000 missiles, to domestic manufacturers, and the remaining 3,000 missiles to the Raphael-Kalyani facility.

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    Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi hugs Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu during a press conference at Hyderabad House in New Delhi on January 15, 2018. (AFP PHOTO / MONEY SHARMA)
    India, which has longstanding territorial disputes with neighbors China and Pakistan, has signed several big-ticket defense deals since Modi came to power in 2014.

    It has been moving away from relying on traditional ally Russia for military hardware, and has deepened its ties to Israel, diplomatically and militarily.

    Israel and India trade some $5 billion annually, with the majority of the deals in arms and diamonds.

    Last year, Israel and India signed a $2 billion military arms deal, which includes the supply over several years of medium-range surface-to-air missiles, launchers, and communications technology
     
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    Army not going for "foreign ka maal", that's a good news, this is what army should've done from day 1, trust in our own defence establishments.
     
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    All those missile deal must be cancelled if we can come out with same in next 2-3 years unless the missile proposed to be bought is significantly better. Our shoulder fire version of nag seem to doing well so can scrap spike unless spike is significantly better.
     
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    This was cancelled in January of this year itself. See post # 34.
     
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    Israel PM’s February visit to finalise $500-million anti-tank missiles deal for Indian Army
    New Delhi: India is all set to sign a $500 million deal to purchase the Israeli ‘Spike’ anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) systems for the Indian Army when Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu visits the country mid-February.

    Netanyahu, who is also facing elections in his country this year like Prime Minister Narendra Modi, wants to finalise the deal before he demits office. He is under pressure from the Israeli defence industry to finalise the deal with India, sources told ThePrint.

    Israel has been pushing the deal, talks for which officially began in 2010, for a long time. During Netanyahu’s last visit to India in January 2018, he had urged Modi to consider finalising the contract, after New Delhi cancelled it all of a sudden without giving Tel Aviv any clear reason.

    The deal to purchase the ATGMs, manufactured by Rafael Advanced Defence Systems Ltd, was finalised once before, in 2017. However, it was cancelled in January 2018 after the Modi government decided to procure the home-grown ATGM — Nag — from the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO).

    Sources said “issues” between India and Israel over transfer of technology for the Spike missiles, for their production under the ‘Make in India’ programme, played a role as well.

    However, the government has now taken a final decision to go ahead with the purchase. According to diplomatic sources, the modalities of the deal were agreed upon during a meeting between national security adviser Ajit Doval and his Israeli counterpart Meir Ben-Shabbat, who visited India earlier this month.

    The Indian Army has made a requisition for 8,000 units of such missiles. Out of this, India will be buying 4,500 off the shelf, while the remaining will be manufactured locally.
    https://theprint.in/diplomacy/israe...ti-tank-missiles-deal-for-indian-army/185333/
     
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    Indian army procuring 240 spike anti tank missile along with 12 launchers. Source indian defense news and week defence Web site.
     
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    The week in is original Web site source.
     
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    Shyapa ---- what is happening to man portable NAG ...

    It is hibernating for comfort in better parts of DODOs... for more than 30 years.

    they can make ASAT missile but not man portable ones.
    They only make invisible missiles to claim big and hunt a Padma Award and big promotions.

    Man portables can be handled and seen by anyone. It falls in the category of INSAS, a reality exposure. It is used by soldiers who may give a feedback. So why should they put an effort into it.

    Look at the state of affairs - Indian Army has to import 12 launchers and 240 missiles - not even sufficient to hit ten enemy bunkers across Poonch...when they face hits of improved TOW every hour and every day.

    Had project NAG money been given to some foreign vendor, there would have been stacks of man portable triple warhead missiles in India. Then they talk of "foreign mal"...

    Very poor show ... 12 launchers ...

    Are we a banana republic having a ragtag army ??? I am sure terrorist tanjims have more than that with them.
     
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    Entering production by end of this year.................
     
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    And who else is to be blamed here but the army? They are still creating hurdles in adoption of NAG on ridiculous (no other way to describe it) grounds? And we didn't even come close to the drama that was the MPATGM version of NAG! Anyways it will enter production by end of the year.
     
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    You can only show charts and slides of the missile but fail to hit the target at Pokharan or Jaisalmer or Leh.

    Indian Army does not generate and manufacture temperatures nor do invent seekers...
     
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    I think, it is the other version of 2.5 km range.
     
  13. patriots

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    Quite impossible bro......
    They have planned development by end of this year....
    Add 1 year for user trials at different locations...
    So I don't see it before 2021.
    It it happen s then I will be the happiest
     
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    I am going by this.....
    https://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/pub/npc/2019/February/din-25february2019.pdf
    Aero India 2019: Indian Nag ATGM to enter production by end-2019
    https://www.janes.com/article/86780/aero-india-2019-indian-nag-atgm-to-enter-production-by-end-2019
     
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    And I believe mpatgm will take at least 2 years...for induction......
     
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    I quite do not understand it.

    In Integrated Missile Development programme, NAG was the first and biggest project. Others have past but this is stuck ( He say it is because of Army !! ridiculous - If Indian Army does not want it and it is good then give it to Malaysia or Philippines. They will throw that back on your heads).

    It is the most basic and most wanted system meant to be for current usage. you produce a flying stick which does not hit target and then blame Indian Army. They might throw stones at Pakistani tanks instead.

    If DRDO can develop seeker to destroya satellite what is the big deal for ATk missile. Import seekers if you can not make it rather than stall an important programme.

    Our soldiers carry a danda in the name of NAG missile as weight... how poor. Ridiculous
     
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    There was a problem with the seeker...(imported one)
    Later drdo developed a seeker for nag...and now nag is hitting targets accurately...
    Also helina is hitting targets
    And the recent test of mpatgm was also successful
     
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    The explanation is simple!

    Firstly, the long range ballistic missiles are something that no other country will sell to India. So whatever DRDO produces has to be accepted by India - hoping to improve in future (which they constantly did). While the short range (ATGM, AAM etc) are something that most countries are eager to sell to India (and at any given time the tech tends to be slightly better than what DRDO has at that point in time)

    Secondly, the weight/cost of ballistic missiles are not that of an issue......as they're carried on individual trucks and also produced in limited quantities. Whereas, the short range missiles (ATGM, AAM) are carried by other mobility vehicles whose carrying capability cannot be changed much (personnel, aircraft etc)

    Thirdly, the miniaturization of tech (seeker, propulsion, fin controls etc) is far more complicated than making large size/weight counterparts for large missiles.
     
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