Indian Army Kamov 226 T helicopter

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    Indian Army Kamov 226 T helicopter.
     
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    No contract has yet been signed to procure even a single KA-226 T yet.
     
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    Russian Helicopters Holding Company and a number of Indian companies signed Memorandums of Understanding at Aero India 2019. The parties agreed to explore the producing a number of assemblies and components for Ka-226T helicopter in India.
     
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    Well it means slightly more than "anything". MOUs are a step in the right direction and this is not exactly a high tech import or a particularly expensive one. Modi's next meeting with Putin could be when the deal is signed, maybe.
     
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    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    If it was signed with GoI it would mean something. When it is signed with local companies it means nothing just as Lockheed signing MoU with local companies for manufacture of F-16 parts India will never buy.
     
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    But there is a difference between the two MOUs. Unlike the non existent history between LockMart and private players, HAL has been producing Russian stuff since 1960s and this one specifically deals the assembly at Tumakuru plant, the designated plant for all future helicopter needs of India.

    Unlike F-16s, India wants and needs KA226T and it will be one of the many classes of helicopters that will be produced here.

    https://www.financialexpress.com/de...o-be-manufactured-by-hal-at-tumakuru/1116313/
     
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    Russian stuff is subject to sanctions. India doesn't want to suffer CAATSA and Safran doesn't want to suffer the EU sanctions over Crimea. Those are two reasons you won't be getting Ka-226. It is best for you develop your own LUH that meets the altitude requirement, since Fennec isn't good enough, and come back to us for the engines. In five years you could develop your own or UEC might develop an engine good enough to put in it. Only time will tell...
     
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    Ka-226T in Indian Colours showcased by @RusHeliCo , second image courtesy- BMPD
     
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    No private partner in Kamov deal
    As against the initial plan for involving a private sector company, India and Russia have decided to move ahead with the programme to produce 200 light utility choppers through their state-owned companies only.

    India recently moved ahead with the project of procuring and coproducing 200 Kamov Ka-226T helicopters expected to be worth over `21,000 crore from Russia for the Indian Army and Indian Air Force by issuing an exclusive tender to a joint venture company involving Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) and Russian Helicopters.

    A request for proposal has been issued for producing 200 Kamov 226T choppers to the JV firm, an official said.

    In 2015, when India announced the selection of the Kamov choppers for the programme to replace its fleet of vintage Cheetah or Chetak helicopters for ferrying supplies to the Siachen glacier and other high altitude locations, the plan was to involve a private sector firm also in it under the Make in India in defence sector.

    After long deliberations over the issue of price and other factors, it was decided that the project would be taken ahead with these two companies only as selection of a private partner would have created further complications and resulted in more delays in the project, government sources said. The RFP was issued soon after top acquisition wing officials from the defence ministry visited Russia to discuss the military projects between the two sides, sources said.

    Last year, Indian and Russian officials had met several times to sort out the RFP, including understanding how the programme will unfold in India.It makes clear the intent to procure 200 of the helicopters, which entails 135 for the army and 65 for the IAF.

    For the army, 40 will be in flyaway condition and the rest 95 will be co-produced with Russia, explained an official, adding, the next step is for the manufacturer to respond to the RFP to take the process forward.

    In 2015, India and Russia had signed an intergovernmental pact for the supply and localisation of the helicopter production in India.

    In May 2017, a JV within the framework of the deal was registered in Bangalore between Russian Helicopters and HAL. As part of the project, India will procure 60 of the 200 helicopters in flyaway condition, which will be produced at a Russian Helicopters plant, while the remaining 140 will be made in Tumkur, Karnataka.
    https://www.indiatoday.in/mail-today/story/no-private-partner-in-kamov-deal-1237153-2018-05-20
     
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    Russian Helicopters signs MoUs to localise Kamov-226T production
    Price negotiations for the final contract are yet to begin

    Russian Helicopters has signed memorandums of understandings (MoUs) with five Indian companies to localise components for the Kamov-226T utility helicopter chosen by India. However, price negotiations for the final contract are yet to begin, according to a senior company official.

    “By the requirements of the Defence Procurement Procedure (DPP), the localisation under Make in India is more than 50%. We promised to localise significantly more than that … It is necessary to transfer documentation to manufacture stuff and to organise after-sales support,” Andrey Boginsky, CEO of Russian Helicopters, said after singing the MoUs with Indian companies at Aero India here on Wednesday.

    Mr. Boginsky said that Russia was ready to localise after-sales support which has been a constant worry for the armed force with respect to Russian equipment.

    The MoUs were signed with Elcom, Valdel Advanced Technologies, Dynamatic Technologies, Integrated Helicopter Services, and Bharat Forge, covering assemblies such as fuselage, blades, radio station, and landing gear.

    India and Russia have concluded an inter-governmental agreement (IGA) for 200 helicopters estimated to cost over $1 billion. As per the deal, 60 helicopters will be imported from Russia and at least another 140 will be built in India by Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. (HAL) with technology transfer.

    As part of the IGA, a joint venture (JV) has already been set up between HAL and Russia’s Rostec – JSC Rosoboronexport and Russian Helicopters.

    As per procedure, the Defence Ministry has issued a request for proposal to the JV and Mr. Boginsky said that all responses had been provided to the Ministry.

    “The price negotiations have not started,” he said, and added that eventually they would be tying up with about 15 Indian companies for component manufacture.

    Victor Kladov, director for international cooperation and regional policy at Rostec state corporation, said they were also keen to offer the maritime variant of the Kamov-226T for the Indian Navy’s tender for 111 Naval Utility Helicopters.

    The Kamov-226T helicopters are meant to replace the ageing and obsolete Cheetah and Chetak fleets of the Indian armed forces. The number is expected to go beyond 200, given the large requirement of the services. India and Russia also intend to export the Kamov-226T to third countries after meeting domestic requirement.
    https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...ise-kamov-226t-production/article26325043.ece



     
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    India for higher indigenous content in Ka-226 choppers
    India has told the Russians to review the level of indigenisation to take the local content of the Ka-226Ts to be manufactured at Bengaluru-based Hindustan Aeronautics Limited to beyond the existing figure that stands at around 60%, the first official said.
    India wants higher indigenous content in the Kamov-226T light utility choppers which are to be jointly built in the country with Russia, two officials familiar with the move said on condition of anonymity. The Kamovs will serve as a replacement for the military’s ageing Cheetah and Chetak helicopters.

    India has told the Russians to review the level of indigenisation to take the local content of the Ka-226Ts to be manufactured at Bengaluru-based Hindustan Aeronautics Limited to beyond the existing figure that stands at around 60%, the first official said.

    The Indo-Russian Helicopters Limited (IRHL), a joint venture between HAL and Russian Helicopters and Rosoborobexport, was incorporated in May 2017 for the production and supply of around 200 Kamov helicopters. Of these 60 are expected to come from Russia in flyaway condition and the remaining are to be built at HAL.

    “We are waiting to hear from them as to how a higher level of indigenisation can be facilitated. That has caused some delay. The final number of helicopters could also be reworked based on the response from the Russian side,” said the second official. HAL owns 50.5% of the venture, Russian Helicopters, 42.5% and Rosoboronexport, 7%.

    Experts said India should seek higher indigenisation in weapons and systems being jointly manufactured with original equipment manufacturers in the country in line with the Make in India initiative.

    “The Ka-226 has been awaited for long as the Chetak-Cheetah fleet has been overworked and is showing signs of age, witnessed by the large number of incidents that are happening. A high indigenous content should be insisted upon as part of our drive to get manufacturing in India,” said Air Vice Marshal Manmohan Bahadur (retd), additional director general, Centre for Air Power Studies.

    HAL is also working on a light utility helicopter (LUH) of its own. The locally designed and developed LUH has completed rigourous trials in high altitude and hot weather and is inching towards getting operational clearance.

    The LUH is expected to meet a combined army and air force requirement for 187 choppers. It is being developed as a replacement for the Cheetah and Chetak helicopters, which are a lifeline for troops in high-altitude areas. The Chetaks and Cheetahs will be replaced by a mix of LUH and the Kamov-226T choppers. The three-tonne LUH is capable of flying at a speed of 220 kmph with a service ceiling of 6.5 km.
    https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...26-choppers/story-5DLcShUvMkG51xPWHgs4DJ.html


     
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    Russia says India delaying signing helicopters deal: executive

    Stanley Carvalho
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    DUBAI (Reuters) - The head of Russian Helicopters said on Sunday that India was delaying the signing of a firm agreement for purchasing 200 helicopters despite providing all information.

    Chief Executive Andrey Boginsky also said it would benefit India if the planned order for over 100 rotorcraft for the Indian Navy could be combined with the 200 India is looking to buy for the Army.

    Russian Helicopters is owned by state-owned Russian conglomerate Rostec.

    India and Russia signed a deal in 2015 under Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s ‘Make in India’ program for the supply of 200 Russian KA 226T helicopters, with Russia to deliver 60 and the remaining to be assembled and manufactured in India.

    The two countries also have held preliminary talks for the supply of over 100 of the KA 226-T helicopters for the Indian Navy, Boginsky said.

    “We have done significant successful work and provided all information to India’s ministry of defense, unfortunately there is no efficient and quick way from the Indian side,” he told Reuters at the Dubai Air Show.

    “We can’t understand the reasons for the delay.”

    On the order for the Indian Navy, Boginsky said India would benefit from combining both orders to gain more value in enhancing its capabilities.

    “The main winner will be India if both orders are joined,” he said, adding Russian Helicopters was awaiting a formal request of an order from the Indian Navy.

    Civilian helicopters account for about 30-35% of Russian Helicopters’ total sales while the remaining 65-70% are military choppers. The civilian-military sales ratio is expected to remain the same in the next three years but total sales volumes could increase as Russian Helicopters brings to the market its expanded range of choppers, said Boginsky.

    The company is in talks with international customers including some in the Middle East for sale of its new Mi-38 helicopters, he said, declining to elaborate.

    The new VRT-500 helicopters, with the first flight scheduled for 2021, has seen strong interest from India and some Middle East countries, he said, adding a deal for the VRT-500 will be signed at the ongoing Dubai expo.

    “There is strong interest from Indian companies to assemble (VRT 500) in India,” he said.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ning-helicopters-deal-executive-idUSKBN1XR08S
     
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    India, Russia To Sign Ka-226T Contract By May 2020
    The long-delayed Ka-226T helicopter procurement by India is expected to be signed by May 2020.

    "An Indo-Russian joint venture has been created. The helicopter is being updated based on the requirements of the Indian Ministry of Defense. We hope to complete the project and sign a contract in the next six months," Alexander Mikheyev, CEO of Rosoboronexport, said on Monday, at the Dubai Airshow 2019.

    The JV was setup between Russian Helicopters and Indian defence PSU, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).

    In 2015, Russia and India signed an intergovernmental agreement on the supply of light Ka-226T helicopters to the Indian side and localization of the production on its territory. The document includes deliveries of 60 Russian-made helicopters and the production of another 140 aircraft in India with a localization level of 50-70%, reports TASS.

    In May 2018, the Indian MoD issued a Request for Proposal (RFP) to procure and co-produce 200 Russian Kamov Ka-226T helicopters for the country’s army and air force, estimated to cost INR 21,000 Crore (US$3 billion). Additionally, the JV intends to offer the Ka-226T to the Indian navy as part of a tender for 111 helicopters.

    At the Aero India 2019 airshow this February, the Russian Helicopters Holding signed memoranda of understanding with Indian companies for the production of assemblies components for the Ka-226Ts in India. The MoU was signed with India's Elcom, Valdel Advanced Technologies, Dynamatic Technologies, Integrated Helicopter Services and Bharat Forge, for assemblies such as fuselage, blades, radiostation and landing gear.
    https://www.defenseworld.net/news/2...ign_Ka_226T_Contract_By_May_2020#.XdSFr1czbIU
     
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    Why not order LUH? It's already there.
     
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    To my understanding..

    Kamov is primarily for carrying equipment at high altitude, because of its configurable payload capability. Kamov also has twin engine.

    LUH is for primarily for personnel transport. Single engine.

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    Already where ? It's going to take some more time.

    LUH will get the lion share of the requirement anyway.

    Kamov has better range speed payload and can operate at higher altitude compare to LUH. It is modular and one of the safest heli around .

    In short the difference will be like

    Carbine vs Rifle
     
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    I dont agree at all. we have dhruv if we need to carry something heavy while luh is the perfect replacement for cheetah and chetak.

    Kamov is not needed anywhere. Kitne type ke lene hai bhai.

    Faishon show thodi Na chal raha ki sab type ke helicopter le lo. There is absolutely no need for kamov.
     

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