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A mix of fortified structures, at places depending on availability of local material and accessibility, there are stone & mud sangars, dug down,riveted with thick corrugated iron sheet roof bunkers with loop holes & at places concrete pill boxes have come up too.
Nothing wrong in building "sengars" etc. Trenches, "sengar" etc. are perfectly fine for shielding from direct fire..
What is the purpose of these shelters? To protect from elements mostly (and to protect from rifle fire). Even a concrete shelter will not save from indirect fire. If the situation escalates, then open ground is better than the shelter as you can move on open ground. India will also use artillery and air power in response.Most of these local material don`t stand a chance against mortar fire, Their are many units at front-line living in Cardboard / Plywood quarters, Improvised Mud bunkers with tin shead and wooden log gates for years on now, Also some of these unit based are middle of Urban settlement where tangos are also among locals ..
These are dangerous times time, These placed better get concrete and well thought out infrastructure ..
Bunkers are made for defences, where combat take place and not for areas where there is a Base.Most of these local material don`t stand a chance against mortar fire, Their are many units at front-line living in Cardboard / Plywood quarters, Improvised Mud bunkers with tin shead and wooden log gates for years on now, Also some of these unit based are middle of Urban settlement where tangos are also among locals ..
These are dangerous times time, These placed better get concrete and well thought out infrastructure ..
Bunkers are not built to save troops from the 'elements'. It is for combat. In fact some bunkers are quite horrid to make it for 'living' - dark, musty and damp.What is the purpose of these shelters? To protect from elements mostly (and to protect from rifle fire). Even a concrete shelter will not save from indirect fire. If the situation escalates, then open ground is better than the shelter as you can move on open ground. India will also use artillery and air power in response.
You are being most considerate and kind in your thought.I always think why bunkers (concrete and 'saria' steel structures) can not be made in our cities as complete structure or in parts, transported to borders, air lifted (Helicopters) and placed where they are required. Soldiers may only require to dig the ground and assemble the parts together.
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What is the purpose of these shelters? To protect from elements mostly (and to protect from rifle fire). Even a concrete shelter will not save from indirect fire. If the situation escalates, then open ground is better than the shelter as you can move on open ground. India will also use artillery and air power in response.
Thanks Sir,You are being most considerate and kind in your thought.
That is where you make the mistake. You cannot heiidrop a full structure on a pinnacle or even where there is a post since that is in the front line and can be intercepted by fire by the adversary. And counting the number of sorties, it will give a fair idea to the adversary as to how many defences have been erected. This, along with a reasoned guesstimate, will allow them to organise the combat ratio essential to take the post in the next round of war.
This is more applicable to the mountains and high altitude where helipads are limited and only for small helicopters or helidrops are not feasible for operational and flying reasons.
Each part of the bunker, the steel troughs and the hollow blocks, cement etc are carried up to impossible heights with impossible rarefied air by troop labour.
If only people realised what it is to prepare and engage in combat!
It is back breaking, unsung and unknown, lost in the fog of imagination and fantasy.
I am not being rude, I am merely feeling sad that the citizens do not know and the Army does not care to educate.
Yes, the troops in the rear area are billeted in areas where there is inhabitants.Sir, The places i mention are quite close to LOC and inner CT areas ..
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I am specific to CT areas, Terrorist do operate mortars and indirect aviation & Ground rockets ..
What upgradation of bunkers have you in mind for our posts on the LC? Right now, the fortification allows it to absorb not only direct firing weapons but also medium artillery.Thanks Sir,
We learn more when an army man get pissed of us civilians.
If you can recall I asked your opinion on why we can not maintain Dault Beg Oldi like we have been maintaining and sustaining Siachin. So I have been quite considerate for such issues, Sir.
The point is, they already know where your current posts are, aren't they? The pictures we see and even couple of pictures you have been censorious about couple of months ago (where one of the solider was standing facing Pakistan border with knee height bulwark) are quite depressing to see soldiers guarding borders with minimum of protection.
Your concerns about keeping it low profile are right but all I begged was, the posts must be upgraded.
Keeping it low profile can not be an excuse to not upgrade our current posts on our own land; Chinese are doing; Pakistanis are doing it.
I have not understood the question.@Ray, any ideas as you have the most direct knowledge of the situation. Is there any way to improve the situation?
It is not in the interest of the Army to give the impression that is 'protected' in fortified garrisons leaving the population to fend for themselves and hence these billeting do not give the impression of being dotted by concrete bunkers.
Well then we could do a Sri Lanka and ensure the Conservation of fighting force and their moral is essential both in war and peace.Sir, Conservation of fighting force and their moral is essential both in war and peace, if their are such false image being brought up by various malicious individual / organization / Group should be dealt with according to law ..
It will be a good step to mordernise Army infrastructure and Infantry to the edge, So that in future their may not be any fatalities due to ignorance of such issues ..