Indian Army BMP 2 Infantry Fighting Vehicle Sarath

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  1. Shadow

    Shadow Regular Member

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    Its the armour protection of BMP that worries me.I read somewhere,where a mortar strike cooked off a BMP in Ukraine.
     
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    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    It can stop 12.7mm but I API of the same calibre cuts it like swiss cheese.
     
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  3. Advaidhya Tiwari

    Advaidhya Tiwari Senior Member Senior Member

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    The max armour rating is for 12.7mm (.50 cal). Mortar is much bigger than that and hence can kill BMP. BMP is for protection against infantry only, not against enemy air fire or tanks. Only the cheap guns held by infantry or militia is shielded. It is impossible for infantry to carry around 20mm or greater guns. Hence the armour rating of BMP is good enough to do the job it is meant to do.

    If you want higher armour, you must go for tanks. BMP is not for armoured thrust but troop re-enforcement and carrying ammunitions or for firing ATGMs like NAG.
     
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  4. WolfPack86

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    #IndianArmy BMP from Mechanised Infantry Regiment at K.K. Ranges , Ahmednagar , Maharashtra
     
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  5. WolfPack86

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    Here's another picture of the upgraded BMP-2 from Ordnance Factory Medak, with all the new bells and whistles installed and clearly visible.
     
  6. aarav

    aarav जय परशुराम‍। Senior Member

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    DRDO is also developing MUNTRA UGV based BMP sarath ,it can be reconnaissance vehicle ,army ambulance, ammunition carrier,mortar carrier MUNTRA_teleoperation.jpg
     
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    aarav जय परशुराम‍। Senior Member

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    BMP sarath is here to stay as variants of NAG missile carrier (NaMica) and Muntra UGV images - 2019-04-15T135945.936.jpeg images - 2019-04-15T135957.371.jpeg images - 2019-04-15T140034.613.jpeg images - 2019-04-15T140040.927.jpeg
     
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  8. Arihant Roy

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    It's for 693 BMP-2. Elbit El-Op's TISK will be installed. The Indian partner is Alpha Defense Technologies.

    It's also participating in the T-72CIA upgrade project. Supplying the TIFCS suite. And the Maws installation project on IA Cheetahs.
     
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  9. WolfPack86

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    Upgraded BMP-2 #OFB #DRDO 1) trials of BMP-II upgrade for night enablement and intigrated fire control system completed 2) ready for user trial
     
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  10. bhavesh100

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    In Morden warfare, APC needs to be 35+ tons. Tin can will be destroyed by AT missiles.
     
  11. Bleh

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    We need than to float & run by a 500hp engine. Immunity against anti-material rifles is where the line is drawn on case of India.

    "Enough" protection would make it 60+ ton like Israeli Namer. A 35 ton vehicle is just as vulnerable to ATGM or shells as the 20 ton one... That issue can only be solved by hard-kill & soft-kill APS and/or warning sensors.
     
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    War fare is about also saving trained personal. Aactive PS needs to be included. Engine power can take care of fast scooting from the area.
     
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  13. Advaidhya Tiwari

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    Which armour can withstand ATGM? The bigger armour you get, the bigger ATGM enemy will use. After all, a charge of 8kg in javelin is enough to penetrate Abrams tank which is 65ton in weight. If you make bigger tank, then charge of 10 kg will be used. Simple.

    Our APC is needed upto 50BMG caliber protection, not more than that.

    There is no war without loss of personnel. It is about balancing defence and offence
     
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  14. Bhadra

    Bhadra Defence Professionals Defence Professionals Senior Member

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    It can not take on RPG hit. It breaks into pieces totally shattered. After first few BMP hits, no soldier gets inside it and prefer to walk.
    Then what is the use if the army can not carry out mounted assaults with it.
     
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    Bhadra Defence Professionals Defence Professionals Senior Member

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    Ah! So as per you missiles have won the war against tanks and armies world over have abandoned tanks.


    Agreed but does that mean there should not be good protection? It meas the one who has better balance of forces at the end wins the war. To achieve that one has to avoid casualties. No one goes to war to get killed but to kill.
     
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    Your POV is based on tank on tank battles. And this may be the case in a border war.

    But if you are holding territory or you are in maneuver, then ATGM threat is far more important.

    I said before and I repeat, light tanks having 35-40 ton weight may be ideal for India. But these tanks need active protection systems.
     
  17. Advaidhya Tiwari

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    APC are for transport, not for offensive attacks. Why do you want tank like protection for APC? How does it make sense? BMP is only used in NAG firing at over 3-4km distance and not for direct close combat. Tanks on the other hand are used for close combat and invasion.

    Making APCs weighing 35ton is a big wastage and hinder logistics
    Good protection is needed for tanks, not APC/IFV etc. Where the chances of hit is higher, there we use higher protection. This is because higher protection has higher cost in terms of fuel, repair and other logistics.

    We send APC only to secured areas where threat of big enemy guns/missiles is eliminated. APC here serve to bolster the strength of troops by bringing in re-enforcements. APC must have some protection towards guns only as it is still possible that some enemy soldiers have holed up and hence can fire with their guns at troops. Where there is still high threat of enemies, we send tanks to conquer.
     
  18. patriots

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    Bdw whats about drdo muntra project based on bmp2...
    Any update
     
  19. Bhadra

    Bhadra Defence Professionals Defence Professionals Senior Member

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    On thing is very clear- you just do not have any idea of operational use of APC / IFV. So beter remain confined to technical aspects,

    Both need good protection that is why some of the tank in the world like Merkava performs both the functions. US Strykers are ICV turned into a tank.

    If the areas were to be secure then why send APC/ ICF?
    So you think APC is a logistics vehicle ?? Ha Ha Ha .......
    Protection from guns ?? What do you think is more dangerous - a gun or a missile ?
    I think you completely misunderstood "light Anti Tank environment" ??

    You know nothing about battlefield uses of Tanks and APC / ICV, Update yourself.
     
  20. Advaidhya Tiwari

    Advaidhya Tiwari Senior Member Senior Member

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    Missile may be more dangerous but guns are more easily carried while missiles are bulky and clumsy. There is no 100% guarantee in war. We just take probability and take calculated risk.

    Which country has APC which can withstand ATGM? Give me an example? If you are not going to make a tank which can withstand ATGM, why make heavy tank at all? What is wrong with BMP as APC compared to say, M2 of USA?
     

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