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I again say I am not leader of Indians to force my opinion on them. Indians were not Nationalistic that's why they did not collaborate with Gandhiji, Indians were not nationalistic that's why Indian police was often chasing Revolutionaries.That solves the whole issue. If you are not a leader and can't change a sausage, so were those Indians of the past that you decry and abuse with venom!
The Indians of yore was as nationalistic as you today. It is just that they were helpless as you to change the situation, for good reasons. QED.
Irish was also helpless against British. But after WW1 there was massive anti-British movement, nearly all Irish people connected with British administration resigned. So British administration due to lack of employers almost collapsed. Please read more. Indians were not nationalistic, if we were we would not be ruled British.
Did Indian people connected with British administration resigned in Gandhiji's invitation? Some did most not. Gandhiji said he would bring Swaraj within 1 year if people follow him, people did not follow completely that's why India was not free.
Only after WW2 and INA invasion, all people connected to British administration woke up, even soldiers mutinied. Navy revolt of 1946, that's why British left India. That' sign that this time Nationalism was spreading through out India.
I certainly cant force my opinion on Indians, and I dont take pride on those Indians who help British either.
Please reread history of Bengal. In medieval time among Hindus cast was massive problem. You know 1 Hindu(during Sri Chaitanya dev's time) had some thing connection with Muslim(Perhaps Hushen Shah) so Brahmin craps said him if he wish to return to Hinduism, he must take a bath in burning ghee to be "purified" but Sri Chaitanya dev said him if he loves God from inner heart, all solved.Caste and creed condemnation is because of education and emancipation and nothing else. If you have not understood that, you have understood nothing. In Bengal, from where you claim you are, caste was not an issue since from a long time because education brought in social reformers and emancipation dawned.
On the issue of Nazis and Southern Americans, please clear your views and then write. You are going round and round in circles without being coherent.
Massive rise of Islam in Bengal was caused due to cast system. It is not my dialogue, Swami Vivekananda said those. Who said cast system was not in Bengal? The rise education that you are talking about(if we say modern) then it did not come until British, in medieval time, when Hinduism was degrading in Bengal, Sri Chaitanya Dev's Vakti Movement saved Hinduism.
Not only Bengal, the cause of rise of Islam through out India is due to cast system. And from present perspective we hate it. But contemporary low class people accepted Brahmin's domination, which present day low class people will not in some extent.
About Germans and southern Americans they changed their perspective, why Southerners were racist because they considered Blacks inferior, which they dont now, so Southerners cant be called Racist now. From Nazi perspective Jews are sub-human, but from present German perspective Jews are not.
A Communist is called Communist because he sees from Communist perspective, if he sees from Nazi perspective he is no longer Communist. Can you understand?
What law are you talking about? Laws can change, during Vietnam war Viet Cong was seen as terrorist organization by RVN Government, now they are liberators. Dont you know the saying one country's terrorists are other country's freedom fighters? When Americans revolted against British, British tagged them "traitors", Americans won so Rebels are now patriot, if British won Rebels would remain "traitor". Hope this helps.I have explained what is valour and how it differentiate murderers or terrorists or rioters from those who show courage within the ambit of law and societal norms. If you have not understood that, let us not waste time. From Modern education perspective these are condemanble ,but from medieval educational perspective it was not.
You fail to understand what is valour because you have never seen it being exhibited. Armchair postulations is hardly a qualification to understand the same.
If British are really thankful to India, then why did they cry when India launched Mars Mission? If they are really thankful to India, not only fallen British-Indian army soldiers they should also honour Million of Indians who died in famine which was caused by British simply to make British powerful. They dont respect died Indian villagers who lost their lives because British was busy to make British super power, but they do honour fallen soldiers cause those soldiers fought against British enemy.What is wrong in asking for an Apology? What is wrong is that it cannot change history or bring anyone alive. It is only hot air.
The British don't celebrate what the Indians did for them?
It just shows your blind hatred. It shows you have not even read the article and have gone ballistics feeing your bile! Just read the article.
Maybe this would also show how much of regards the British have for Indian contribution.
Lt General MM Lakhera, retired and erstwhile Adjutant General of Indian army, talks of an episode in his book, "RESURGENT INDIA" about it. Would you care to know about it ?
You see the hypocrisy of British? They honour Dead soldiers who died while fighting for British, but they dont honour those Millions of Indians who were starved to death simply because British was to make themselves super power.
As you know I dont like Indian Government, I also want a erected a War Memorial for soldiers who died to protect our country. Indeed We have "Amar Jawan Jyoti" In Delhi. Indian Government regularly praise those soldiers who showed valour. Why only Indian army did 1984 riot's victims get justice? Bhupal Gas leak criminals? No. So why ask me same question regarding idiotic stance of Indian government to help people while I am myself trying to find those answers?Now, how many of your Independent Nationalistic Ministers have bothered to care about honouring our soldiers? India does not even have a War Memorial! All gas and no go, just like your fake nationalism.
As far as the Pakistani soldiers I spoke about, I have met them a couple of times on the LC. We had lunch together (not the ceremonial type or a special occasion as you would imagine, but merely tiffin, one to one). And there was no animosity.
I have traced history how the British made India what is India today and Patel gave the finishing touches. I can't explain it any better. If the Native States were puppets as you claim, then was the rest of India roaring Tigers?
As for Pakistanis, did you take 365 days to finish tiffin? No. Just meeting them for few times for tiffin, does not help you to understand their true character. So we need to understand their character as per their activity, and you know better than about it than me.:thumb:
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