Indian Army Aviation Wing

[Kunal Biswas]

A-10 not available to india , chinnok is but Mi 26 is far better in range ,payload capacity ( hold world record for carrying maximum cargo for the longest range ) Mi 35 is excellent attack helicopter ,it can resque as well as provide air support at the same time

LCH is much better,
MI-26 is the best heavylifter, also Army should have SU-25 ..

 

[AJSINGH]

LCH is much better,
MI-26 is the best heavylifter, also Army should have SU-25 ..

true ,now LCH has come into picture ,Su25frogfoot is good aircraft however IAF wont let IA acquire those aircraft

 

[Kunal Biswas]

true ,now LCH has come into picture ,Su25frogfoot is good aircraft however IAF wont let IA acquire those aircraft

IAF nothing to do in Army Business, If IA have its strike Aircraft s its a relief for IAF..

 

[neo29]

Indian army must have some fighters and helicopters as a support to ground troops. But in terms of survellance and reconissance it should depend of IAF. they are best at it. Even of transportation IA must have some planes.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Indian army must have some fighters and helicopters as a support to ground troops. But in terms of survellance and reconissance it should depend of IAF. they are best at it. Even of transportation IA must have some planes.

@neo29,
Cheak my post #140 you will have a better idea abt Army aviation present and what it needed..
Army aviation requires jets which are dedicated for CAS role..

Like A-10s

SU-25

In case MOD refuse to give jets than Army must have light attack aircraft like tucanos which can carry bomb loads upto 500-1000lbs ( Laser or GPS, PGMs )..

Tucanos,
4 underwing pylons, total capacity 1,000 kg (2,200 lb)

In choppers army will have its dedicated LCH,

LCH

Air-force always maintained a good reputation in transportation of army troops, hence mass air transportation is not required..

 

[AJSINGH]

IAF nothing to do in Army Business, If IA have its strike Aircraft s its a relief for IAF..

but then it would reduce the need for IAF which i think IAF does not like , plus that means more funds to army and not IAF , when pigs fly then A-10 would be available to India ,untill then Su25 .plus HAL can also work on some upgrades

 

[Kunal Biswas]

but then it would reduce the need for IAF which i think IAF does not like , plus that means more funds to army and not IAF , when pigs fly then A-10 would be available to India ,untill then Su25 .plus HAL can also work on some upgrades

No, IAF will like it coz they can work on their own air strategy against the enemy though their will be always IAF available for Army, Also budget may increase for Army but it dosent meant that IAF buget would reduce, If US can deliver us C-17 than A-10s are no big deal, SU-25 is one of the best and with HAL & Israli updates it will be formidable.

 

[AJSINGH]

No, IAF will like it coz they can work on their own air strategy against the enemy though their will be always IAF available for Army, Also budget may increase for Army but it dosent meant that IAF buget would reduce, If US can deliver us C-17 than A-10s are no big deal, SU-25 is one of the best and with HAL & Israli updates it will be formidable.

i see your point on why IAF wont come in between IA bussiness , but by your logic why is IAF acquiring attack helicopters ? and why is IAF not handing over its attack helicopters to IA? there is turk war between IAF and IA ,you and I both know this . It is true that USA is selling us C-17 but then this is also true that USA did not see A-10 to any ally

 

[Kunal Biswas]

i see your point on why IAF wont come in between IA bussiness , but by your logic why is IAF acquiring attack helicopters ? and why is IAF not handing over its attack helicopters to IA? there is turk war between IAF and IA ,you and I both know this . It is true that USA is selling us C-17 but then this is also true that USA did not see A-10 to any ally

IAF Combat helos ( Included LCH ) is for recon and escorting duties, further IAF also run operation under his own command where attack helo use for ground support duties..
IA never asked for IAF choppers as they are no use( MI-25/35 in small no ) in any field, Getting them and maintaining is a headache for IA..

I see that A-10 was not exported outside though if not A-10 than SU-25 is there for us..
If not SU-25 then the Tucanos..

 

[AJSINGH]

IAF Combat helos ( Included LCH ) is for recon and escorting duties, further IAF also run operation under his own command where attack helo use for ground support duties..
IA never asked for IAF choppers as they are no use( MI-25/35 in small no ) in any field, Getting them and maintaining is a headache for IA..

I see that A-10 was not exported outside though if not A-10 than SU-25 is there for us..
If not SU-25 then the Tucanos..

good to know , Su25 will be just fine job for IA

 

[neo29]

Irrespective of what fighters IA wants, an UCAV is must especially for surgical strikes and air support for assaulting ground troops.

 

[Yatharth Singh]

THIS IS FOR EVERYONE RELATED TO THIS THREAD THAT ARMY HAS ITS AIR WING KNOWN AS "ARMY AVIATION CORPS" SO PLEASE FOR GOD SAKE DONT REPEAT THIS THAT ARMY DONT HAVE ITS AIR WING OR SHOULD HAVE IT. IT IRRITATES ME A LOT BECAUSE YOU ALL ARE DEBATING ON A WRONG FACT. SO BEFORE POSTING ANYTHING HERE JUST CHECK THIS OUT.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_Aviation_Corps_(India)

 

[Kunal Biswas]

THIS IS FOR EVERYONE RELATED TO THIS THREAD THAT ARMY HAS ITS AIR WING KNOWN AS "ARMY AVIATION CORPS" SO PLEASE FOR GOD SAKE DONT REPEAT THIS THAT ARMY DONT HAVE ITS AIR WING OR SHOULD HAVE IT. IT IRRITATES ME A LOT BECAUSE YOU ALL ARE DEBATING ON A WRONG FACT. SO BEFORE POSTING ANYTHING HERE JUST CHECK THIS OUT.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_Aviation_Corps_(India)

Sorry Bud, I never heard or saw 'such things' in Army Aviation before..
We will have Nishant UAVs, And presently we have Chetaks, cheetah and ALH..
We are waiting for LCH which will be the primary CAS platform..
I can only wish for SU-25 & A-10s lol..
In US it takes 40 mins for an aircraft to provide CAS to nearby ground troops..
In India it took 12-24 hours ( Kargil ) to provide CAS to nearby Ground troops..

Check page no 14,
This is the reply i have given you!

 

[Yatharth Singh]

Check page no 14,
This is the reply i have given you!

I have read your reply long ago.

Now here we are talking about Indian Army for having multi role jet like the sukhoi series which mean a completely new training with a costly training center and recruitment of pilots for those jets.
Knowing this fact that army already have a fleet of fighter, transport and multirole helicopters with the future induction of the upcoming LCH. Army also have enough UAV`S indigenous and purchased ones. Now you want that army should also have a fleet of fighter and bombers. Isnt it. Tomorrow you will ask for air force personnels to combat terrorist on ground with a rifle. What has happened to you all?
About CAS, you didnt mentioned the time period for US where you are comparing India and US. If you think that by giving army a fleet of sukhoi`s you can improve the timing for CAS then my brother you are wrong. During a war, all three components of an armed forces work as one. All care for each other.

Air Force is sufficient for the air strike and CAS to the army and that is what the air force men are trained for. KB you are a military professional. Do you really think that army need a separate air power? According to me if this happened than it would disturb a trust balance betwwen the army and air force.

Agree or Not?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

I have read your reply long ago.

Now here we are talking about Indian Army for having multi role jet like the sukhoi series which mean a completely new training with a costly training center and recruitment of pilots for those jets.

No u didn't, Go through it again..

About CAS, you didnt mentioned the time period for US where you are comparing India and US. If you think that by giving army a fleet of sukhoi`s you can improve the timing for CAS then my brother you are wrong. During a war, all three components of an armed forces work as one. All care for each other.

I did, you didn't notice!
I mentioned abt this in my previous post..
Yes, but in case of India its not that refined..

Air Force is sufficient for the air strike and CAS to the army and that is what the air force men are trained for. KB you are a military professional. Do you really think that army need a separate air power?.

Yes,
And when i did said IAF is not??

 

[p2prada]

Except for attack helis I strongly oppose the induction of fighters. It affects the functioning of the IAF. The jets will interfere with the IAF's air traffic and will create confusion among the higher ups. CAP fighters have to be called in by the IA from the IAF. I doubt the IAF will be willing to part with even one base along the border for the Army anyway.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

It affects the functioning of the IAF. The jets will interfere with the IAF's air traffic

I doubt the IAF will be willing to part with even one base along the border for the Army anyway.

Presently Army And Air-force operate on same Airfield, And during Kargil IA & IAF aviation worked together..
U misunderstood the relation between IA & IAF..

CAP fighters have to be called in by the IA from the IAF.

CAP - CAS are different terms.

 

[p2prada]

Presently Army And Air-force operate on same Airfield, And during Kargil IA & IAF aviation worked together..
U misunderstood the relation between IA & IAF..

These are one off situations. Here the IA used their transport helis while IAF used everything else.
Giving IA fighters will mean the ATC will have IA as well as IAF controllers. How on earth are they to coordinate traffic and combat requirements? It will be a big mess. Even the USMC operate from their own airbases separated from the USAF. They don't share a base. The USMC is tiny as well.

CAP - CAS are different terms.

Sorry. I meant CAS.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

These are one off situations. Here the IA used their transport helis while IAF used everything else.
Giving IA fighters will mean the ATC will have IA as well as IAF controllers. How on earth are they to coordinate traffic and combat requirements? It will be a big mess. Even the USMC operate from their own airbases separated from the USAF. They don't share a base. The USMC is tiny as well.

Atc is IAF controlled and in combat situation Aircraft of both IA & IAF can operate without probs,
In Kargil war IAF was doing Dual jobs.
1. Working on its own Airstratergy ( PGM strikes, CAP )..
2. Also giving CAS ( Calls made by men on ground )..

For that it required different aircraft s on same airfield ( MIG-21/27/29, JAGS & MIR-2000 ) Now think abt the mess was then ( In the mess usually IAF found itself helpless providing CAS and the delays kicked in )..
Now suppose IA had a squadron of SU-25, It can be used for CAS and its deployment would be faster to IAF & It would be a relief for IAF to operate on its own strategy against enemy Ground and Air assets..

For ATC it would be not very different for giving instruction to IAF JAG or IA SU-25s..
IA & IAF have very good relations with-each other, Besides i am saying IA should have at least a few ( 3 ) squadrons for CAS on front-lines..

 

[Yatharth Singh]

I did, you didn't notice!
I mentioned abt this in my previous post..
Yes, but in case of India its not that refined..

In US it takes 40 mins for an aircraft to provide CAS to nearby ground troops..
In India it took 12-24 hours ( Kargil ) to provide CAS to nearby Ground troops..

Here you only told about Kargil(1999) but you have not told about the time period where the CAS of the US Army is mentioned.

And the CAS you are talking about can be easily be provided with the help of attack UAV`s and that is what the US army in Afghanistan doing right now because asking for CAS from the air base wastes the precious time which the combat personnels dont have at the time of action, may it be an army jet or an IAF plane. You will totally agree with me if you have worked with an armed UAV. You may know this that the US army did not call the fighter jets for CAS. Either they call for gunships or they use their UAV(which they mostly do).

An fighter aircraft is never suitable for CAS because it takes some time to load missile, fuel and other necessary equipments on the plane. It is only UAV and gunships which come in use. And that is why I welcome the induction of the LCH into the army aviation core and oppose the induction of fighter jet into army aviation because it is just a wast of time and money.

I think this is enogh explanation i have given to you about my opinion. Still if you disagree than please let me know my "GRANDFATHER".