Indian Army Aviation Wing

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  1. AJSINGH

    AJSINGH Senior Member Senior Member

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    i agree with you ,attack helicopters should be with IA,like the KA 52 ( formidable machine even features ejection seat ,first for any helicopter )
     
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    F-14 Global Defence Moderator Senior Member

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    AJ are you out of your Mind shopping the KA-52 is not fit for naval ops at all its a huge craft the LCH or the Cobra can be adapted for naval ops as for the topic i belive that the AAC(Army avation crops ) should be given the status of a regiment or avation should be integrated in to the present regimental system
     
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    i think he meant to say IA but mistyped.I however do not believe that any traditional attack chopper has a role in the navy (the cobra or the LCH can and should be used in conjunction with marine operations)the navy can have specialized helos like the seahawk and seaking that are capable of launching anti-shipping missiles, a normal attack helo would be cannon fodder for ship launched SAM's.
     
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    K Factor A Concerned Indian Senior Member

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    By your comment, if the IAF does need to get involved, whats the use of a separate air arm for IA? Without air-cover, helos would be flying ducks. So, in case of IA having its own gunships, the mission would need to be coordinated with the IAF. So I think it would be better to leave the flying to the Air Force boys. If we could eliminate IAF from the scenario, it would have been valid. Otherwise its the opposite face of the same coin.
     
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    F-14 Global Defence Moderator Senior Member

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    the Plus side of the Army Aviation is to provide quick CASEVAC and fire support in Ultra Hot conditions apart from this the Army aviation corps can do the Following to

    Logistic and battlefield support
    Tactical transport both internally and externally, of personnel and material
    Assault duties and anti-tank warfare
    Search and rescue
    Medical evacuation
    Reconnaissance and fire support in a combined arms team
    Surveillance
    Liaison
    Flying training
    Disaster relief

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_Aviation_Corps_(India)
     
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    As far as achieveing air-superiority is concerned that is a job for the IAF, this will need constant air patrols over the frontlines whether or not choppers are in the air or boots are on the ground.The fixed wing assets shall need to focus on keeping enemy fixed wing assets away .The army choppers will need to co-ordinate with armor & infantry on the ground (from a airborne helo all tanks and men look the same).
    I have talked about chopper escorts to be embedded with armored strike formations ,what this does is both increase the strike range of the armored formation(via helicopter launched anti-tank weapons) and provide rapid and real time intelligence updates to the armor(aka the kiowa warrior program).
     
  7. AJSINGH

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    true ,also the job of IAF is supression of air defense as well as destruction of enemy assest behind enemy lines also bombing of enemy position whereas the role of IA helicopters is CAS ,anti tank ,anti armour ,as well anti personal role,as well as evacuation of wounded soilders ,logistics , shot range transportation
     
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    There is definitely a need for the army to have its own air division.In fact its high time we induct transport,support and attack helicopters in decent numbers.

    I heard the rfp for the attack helicopters was canceled i view of good pace of work regarding the lch.
    Any news wen lch will be ready??
    IA needs gunships badly even pak has cobras!!:goodstuff:
     
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    AJSINGH Senior Member Senior Member

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    HAL said that LCH will be ready by 2012 ,but obviously that deadline is too ambitious . as of now we have issued RFP for 22 attack helicopters
     
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    the present RFP is for the heavy Attack copters where as the LCH is a Light Attack Helicopter
     
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    I agree.I personally think that all attack and transport helicopters in the IAF should be transferred to the IA, the IAF should concentrate only on fixed wing assets.This choppers can provide the lethal suppressive firepower required in ground assault ops as well as provide logistic support to the ground forces in difficult terrain and help with quick medical support and rescue.......
     
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    The JSF or the F35 B can be a very good choice for the Indian Navy...... it will give a 5th gen aircraft capability to the navy.... which will give IN a big technological edge in Asia.....currently the the F35 B is only on offer to Japanese and South Koreans in Asia........
     
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    I completely agree that atleast half the helicopters in the IAF should be transferred the IA, especially the attack helicopters...........Speed is of the essence and in a potential war scenario, you wanna make quick decisions rather than be embroiled in a requests scenario
     
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    IN first needs an air craft carrier with catapult technology ,then only IN operate F-35 also i would like to see the naval version of PAK FAGA
     
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    F-35B is a STOVL aircraft which can takeoff from a short ski deck as well as capable of performing vertical takeoff and landing, so it doesn't require catapult equipped ACs. That's why Japan and South Korea are looking at it as the future acquisition for their LHDs
     
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    Quickgun Murugan Regular Member

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    Ohh pls stop portraying SH and SV as junk. They are more than a match to IAF's MMRCA RFP's. I am confident that if either of them is a winner, they will definitely come with complete ToT irrespective of what you think.
     
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    I do not think IN will opt for any 5th gen planes from US, when India has already invested much on the R&D of Pak-FA.
     
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    LOL.

    First, Raytheon has made it clear that it will only give limited ToT on its AESA APG radar compared to the full ToT offered by Mikoyan on its Zhuk-AE.

    Moreover, here is a nice article explaining the ability of India to imbibe these technologies and improve on them. HAL has not shown any ability up until now to tech jump after it gets ToT on its licence manufacturing.

    Tejas came to fruition when India was slapped with sanctions after the 98 nuclear tests. Maybe, India needs to focus its efforts on establishing a solid knowledge base and reuse, rather than going through the cycle over and over again everytime next generation products come into existence.

     
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    Quickgun Murugan Regular Member

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    Two self-contradicting lines. I do not understand your point. What are you trying to say?

    The article you quoted proves that ToT is of no help as Indians are not able to manipulate with it anyways. Is'nt it all the more reason to buy US stuff, if ToT is'nt of big concern?
     
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    Thanks for pointing out the typo in my post. I meant to say:

    My intention in posting the article was to show that HAL and other Indian defence research organizations try to get technology via ToT from the leverage India gets by flaunting its lucrative defence spending.

    This doesn't work because the supplying countries try to withhold parts of the information (and rightly so because business practices dictate it) thus condemning HAL and other organizations to try to figure out the missing pieces in the last generation while these countries work on improving their designs thus designing the next generation products. I don't think it to be an optimal approach by India if it wishes to be self sufficient in designing comparable products.

    Indian defence research organizations also tend to be lazy to incorporate routine improvements in design and try to jump generations of products (A case in point is the significant disconnect between the development of HF-24 and Tejas). Just take a look at the improvements on F-16 since it was first introduced. There has been so many blocks, with major and minor advancements incorporated in each block, which shows that solving problems in sizeable pieces is better and integration of advanced equipment is better if done in iterative fashion, since it will help in solving the root cause of failures by isolating the problem faster.

    It could be that these organization lacked funds in the past because of the wars that India had to face, and hence India had to look outward to 'urgently purchase' equipment to preserve its territorial integrity. But that is not the case anymore. Thus, India should not look at buying products solely to get ToT. If HAL continues to worry about ToT, they will be stuck in this chicken-and-egg problem of decoding and licence manufacturing last generation products while the western world chips away at designing next generation defence products.

    This is where I think buying F-16IN and F-18SH will not be a prudent choice for the Indian defence establishment, since EADS has offered India the option of joining as a partner in the Typhoon program, and Russia offering to work with India in designing the next generation radar. I understand that while even these organizations will try to keep as much from us as possible, it still is a much better option than buying a watered down version of AESA radar from Raytheon installed on F-16IN and F-18SH just to comply with the ToT requirements.
     
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