Discussion in 'Indian Army' started by Rage, Sep 8, 2009.
Out of context ..... a freudian slip at best.
That is the way out. Given our environment and large requirement, we should have at least started a project in that direction rather than outsorcing it to ECIL.
It only now, for last few years that there is some meek affort to assemble it by BEL.
The overall point is how many deficiencies can we have in our armed forces because of DRDO and DPSUs. Take up ant thing and we find the situation similar. Deficiency in 155 how, deficiency in MPATGM, Deficiency in grenades, deficiencies in small arms, deficiency in fighter planes, deficiencies in submarines, deficiencies......Oh God..
There is a clear case for a need of deficiency in "strategic" claims of DRDO because any thing strategic is not their mandate. "Strategic",,,, in fuzes...... apes......
Calling everything homegrown apong is utter inferiority complex.
They can choke supplies anytime and screw our country if we keep on being dependent upon them.
Did you go through a few posts to know what you wrote? Or just adding "strategic weight"....
I said why import all parts just to assemble? He says for the sake of "Strategic Aping"..... Now you come and talk about "strategic Screwing "....
What is wrong with you guys ????? The earlier you all shed this word "strategic' and get on the job of making things without unionised ghetto herding the better would it be for our country ....
Last five post every one is going irrelevant after a dirty swine came and vomited all around...
To keep at least final value addition part at home.
To have the option of customization and interchangeability of parts & assessment of technologies to make own.
How much more different is this argument than saying why we import all BMW/Merc parts and do final assembly only in India? We can simply import the entire product and sell it to the masses. Why import all the ingredients for a KFC/Mac/Subway and do final assembly in India we can simply import the finished product heat it and serve.
Fact is for better or worse final assembly creates an assembly line and also provides the ability to customize the parts as per our home conditions. If a particular sub-component is found unsuitable for our climate we can substitute with another - this luxury is not there when we import the entire component.
Another argument along your same line - why are we importing all the fighting equipment? Why can't we simply contract out our fighting to foreign entities?
Theories are as one wishes to put it across. So no theories please.....
In terms of electronic fuzes, ECIL has been importing all parts and assembling is India since 1992. As ECIl found it unattractive, they could never fulfill the demand. Then govt decided to give the job to BEL. So far so good.
Now please list out the components BEL is making.
What percentage of electronic fuze components stand indigenised ?
What is the value addition in terms of cost saving and technology absorption?
Let our minds not invent arguments in partisan manner or just because some one from the party has vomitted the pig shit, as above and party members wish to support the party line.
1. You have to start somewhere and assembly of final product is the best place
2. It gives us more freedom in tinkering with further versions of a product to customise for Indian conditions
3. It is easier to avoid sanctions or supply chain disruption with small, standardised electrical or physical sub components than with final product
4. Ultimately most of the value in a product lies in the design of the final product, not in building the screws or microchips.
Why then establish such huge leviathans of research laboratories and spend about 2% of GDP on DRDO / OFB / DPSU. We might as well have an industry of assemblers like Indonesia and be happy with it.... private industry can do that more economically and efficiently than these Sarkari damads.
Maybe accidentally or unintentionally but you got this right. Private industry can do assembly much better. All such work should be moved to private sector. DRDO and other PSU can design and build prototype but actual production should be done by private industry.
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Brain Child of Rawat-Kalyani Truck Mounted ULH is ready for trials
Published July 15, 2019 | By admin SOURCE: IDRW NEWS NETWORK
Mandus Group developed 155mm Soft Recoil Howitzer technology for US Army
A 155 mm, 39 calibre, all-steel ULH has been mounted on an Ashok Leyland Truck and will be ready to be offered to Indian Army for experimental trials soon said a reliable industrial source close to idrw.org. The idea was first mooted by Army chief, General Bipin Rawat when he had met Baba Kalyani on a visit to Kalyani Group facility where he was shown three ultralight howitzers.
Kalyani Group in last Defence Expo 2018 had showcased a Light Truck-mounted Advance Hybrid recoil version of the ULH 155/39 which weighed only 4.5 tonnes but Rawat suggested the development of 6.8 tonnes All Steel ULH mounted on a Medium class Ashok Leyland Stallion 4×4 Truck which was a cheaper alternative without a drop in performance in mountain terrain.
According to Servicing Army officials close to idrw.org, Army chief, General Bipin Rawat is aware of US Army experimenting with the use of low-recoil 155mm howitzer on FMTV truck chassis using the Mandus Group developed 155mm Soft Recoil Howitzer technology who accidentally are also technical partners for the Kalyani Group in development of the ULH program back home and he (Rawat) considers it a way forward approach to have a combination of speedily mobility and firepower at the mountain terrain .
As explained to idrw.org by the Servicing Army officials, traditional towed howitzers face difficulties while towing over rough, uneven terrain and are also limited by the speed of under 30km in hard surface, which is further reduced at Mountain terrain road which can take up a lot of time in case of redeployment but a truck-mounted howitzers such as ULH can maintain a decent speed of nearly 60km in hard surface and half of that in patchy Mountain terrain roads.
idrw.org has been informed that Ashok Leyland Stallion based ULH will be experimental in nature with non-committal order for any further procurement by the Indian army, but Kalayni group will be compensated for their product by the Indian Army. Truck-mounted weapon systems like ULH and Dhanush 52 howitzers leave a considerable amount of strain on the chassis of the vehicle upon which they are mounted and often lead to accuracy issues which also raises safety concern issues of the crew which needs to address if such issues do crop up and also important are other factors like time to engage targets and reposition of the vehicle which can only can be recorded by extensive trials carried over months and years on the platform in different terrain before further improvements can be suggested and accepted for bulk induction.
Brain Child of Rawat-Kalyani Truck Mounted ULH is ready for trials
Previously I had discussed (on this forum) the soft recoil technology, and wondered how Kalyani intends to get around the IP issues surrounding the tech pioneered by Mandus! Glad to know that Kalyani is actually partnering with Mandus itself for this tech!!!
"............According to Servicing Army officials close to idrw.org, Army chief, General Bipin Rawat is aware of US Army experimenting with the use of low-recoil 155mm howitzer on FMTV truck chassis using the Mandus Group developed 155mm Soft Recoil Howitzer technology who accidentally are also technical partners for the Kalyani Group in development of the ULH program back home and he (Rawat) considers it a way forward approach to have a combination of speedily mobility and firepower at the mountain terrain....."
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The controversial Bofors FH-77B emerged as the Indian Army’s most reliable and lethal artillery piece on the high altitude battlefield of Kargil.151 Its long-range, heavy caliber shell readily destroyed poorly constructed fighting positions. Indian batteries reported that the 24-km maximum range at sea level extended beyond 40-km in the thin air of Kargil.
Wonder what ATAGS will do with 45km normal range!!
Currently what is the artillery development project and how does
All of these are in induction phase.
It is in developmental phase.
Okey thanks for telling me sir
What is Sarang and ULH? Can i get a link to read more?
Don't forget Kalyani developed Bharat 45 and Bharat 52 which are also towed 155mm artillery. Other than that modified IFG offered by Kalyani which weighs less than 1 ton and can be mounted on the back of a small truck. Also there is two versions of ULH : one made of titanium and one slightly heavier made of steel.
Sarang is modified 130 mm Field gun upgunned for 155 mm
ULH is Kalyani project about which you would find i this page itself.
There has been no news about the truck-mounted howitzer procurement. Everyone has been focused on the alphabet soup of towed guns being bought / tested / developed and SPG of course has been resolved with K-9.
The Wheeled MGS remains the only enigma. Anyone have any insight?
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