Indian Army Artillery

[cobra commando]

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[ezsasa]

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If this is a recent event....

Baba was pursuing a defined policy for testing arty guns from private industry since 2014 and before, let's hope that's sorted now.

I wonder who pays for the arty trials?
firing 2000 shells for trails any Indian Pvt company will go kangaal...

 

[Hari Sud]

Snag dogging Indian howitzer seen in original Bofors too


NAGPUR: Preliminary findings of the probe into the muzzle hit, a malfunction which has been dogging the Dhanush, Indian version of Bofors howitzers, say the incident was due to defect in the shell. During both test fires in May and July, a shell hit the gun's muzzle. There is a muzzle brake at the tip of the barrel, and the shell cannot fly to its full range if it hits this part.

The report submitted for the incident in May says that the muzzle hit took place due to premature explosion of the shell. This means, the defect has to be in the shell and not the gun's design, says sources having knowledge of the affair. Further investigation is continuing, with the final report yet to be put up. The snag has pushed back induction of the guns into the Army.

However, data accessed by TOI shows that as many as 40 incidents of muzzle hit have been reported even in the original Swedish Bofors. This took place after the Army had inducted the gun. The findings into these incidents blamed the shell for the malfunction.

The latest incident took place in February 2015. The findings say the incident can be attributed to 'old ammunition'. According to the data with TOI, around eight muzzle breach incidents took place in 2002 and 2003. A high number of incidents were seen in the Bofors guns during 2008 and 2009 too. In 2008, a barrel split into two pieces during training at the School of Artillery at Deolali, Maharashtra. This incident was attributed to premature explosion of the shell.
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In Dhanush, one case of barrel burst and two of muzzle hit have been reported. In 2013, the barrel burst during trials at Pokharan. This was followed by muzzle hit in May and June this year.
Dhanush is being made by the Gun Carriage Factory (GCF), Jabalpur, which comes under the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB). Reasons of the muzzle hit in the gun are being probed. Sources following the development say muzzle hit cases are not new in artillery guns.

Last week, an incident of barrel burst was reported in the K-9 Thunder guns, which India is buying from Korea. Two soldiers of the Korean army were killed in the incident. The Korean army has stopped training with this gun.

Data shows that the incident is also seen in guns of other makes, apart from 155mm howitzers like Bofors and Dhanush. Even in the 130mm guns with the Army, as many as 60 cases of muzzle hit have been reported.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-original-bofors-too/articleshow/60298344.cms

Just hold on for a minute, Indian Army is already busy finding defects. They have already found defects in Dhanush and soon with DRDO's ATAG gun.

They are hell bent on imports hence testing is skewed in such a way that a defect comes to the surface after massive testing. That is what they are after.

This is a bunch of spoiled generals whose luxury retirement is guaranteed by arms merchants if local product is rejected in favour of imports.

 

[Spectribution]

Someone spotted this beast (FH-77B) near to his houseView attachment 19651 View attachment 19652

If someone can spot the irony in the second picture.......

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Drill with 81mm Mortar ..

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130mm M46 field guns during Kargil war ..

 

[abingdonboy]

Just hold on for a minute, Indian Army is already busy finding defects. They have already found defects in Dhanush and soon with DRDO's ATAG gun.

They are hell bent on imports hence testing is skewed in such a way that a defect comes to the surface after massive testing. That is what they are after.

This is a bunch of spoiled generals whose luxury retirement is guaranteed by arms merchants if local product is rejected in favour of imports.

I actually think this article is a direct response to just this idea, the fact that the defects are being found in the orginal Bofors means it is an inherent issue with the design and NOT unique to the Dhanush so if the IA is happy to accept the Bofors (and we know they are) then they can't complain about the Dhanush which is a massively upgraded Bofors.

 

[abingdonboy]

If this is a recent event....

Baba was pursuing a defined policy for testing arty guns from private industry since 2014 and before, let's hope that's sorted now.

I wonder who pays for the arty trials?
firing 2000 shells for trails any Indian Pvt company will go kangaal...

It is a recent event and Kalyani is tied up with DRDO for ATAGS so I assume it is DRDO paying for these trails.

 

[patriots]

what's about tata atag ....any info about its range ,is army is using this too in trial

 

[patriots]

what's about tata atag ....any info about its range ,is army is using this too in trial

got this info

Bharat 52,155mm/52 calibre Advanced Towed
Artillery Gun System (ATAGS), of Bharat Forge,
jointly designed and developed by the Pune based
Kalyani group along with DRDO,sets a new record
when it hits more than 48 km distance at Pokhran
Ranges.
Earlier TATA Sed-DRDO ATAGS set the record
when HE BB rounds hit 47. 2 km and HE BT rounds
hit 37. 2 km. But Bharat 52 fired HE BB rounds at
48. 074 km distance where as HE BT rounds at 38.
5 km distance.
Clearly, it's a new world record.

 

[Nadeem 6877]

Guys, which system is this?

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Guys, which system is this?

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Guys, which system is this?

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its BAMSE VSHORAD system made by Swedish company Saab.

 

[aditya g]

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Nice find, little usage of 130mm in Kargil due to requirements of high elevation.

130mm M46 field guns during Kargil war ..

 

[captscooby81]

Forget the muzzle break on Dhanush ..Now look at the accident on M777 Howitzer ..Looks like the problem is with the ammo not with the guns ..same issue is faced by the best light gun of the world which is imported ..

 

[Kshatriya87]

Forget the muzzle break on Dhanush ..Now look at the accident on M777 Howitzer ..Looks like the problem is with the ammo not with the guns ..same issue is faced by the best light gun of the world which is imported ..

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Is there any chance this happened due to the ammunition and not because of the barrel? Just asking because this happened with our Indigenous artillery testing as well.

 

[SanjeevM]

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Previous article said TATA ATAG set world record, and this article says Kalyani ATAG set world record. Which one is correct?

 

[SanjeevM]

Is there any chance this happened due to the ammunition and not because of the barrel? Just asking because this happened with our Indigenous artillery testing as well.

If this is fault of ammunition, then there was no fault of Dhanush either. Let U.S. manufacturers also investigate and provide RCA.

 

[cobra commando]

Previous article said TATA ATAG set world record, and this article says Kalyani ATAG set world record. Which one is correct?

Both are correct. Kalyani DRDO ATAGS is the latest one to set a new world record:
https://defenceaviationpost.com/mak...king-world-record-firing-48-km-range-pokhran/

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

This was bound to happen. In fact during the trails which were conducted on Gen V.K Singh's tenure the M777 exhibited several deficiencies which were written in a confidential report which got leaked to media (REF : Saurav Jha's tweets). But I am sure this will be blamed on faulty ammo supplied by OFB by paid media even before there is a proper enquiry.
The story is panning out to be repeat telecast of T-90 procurement over Arjun.
Only option is to cancel this BAE as well as South korean K-9 deal and go the indegeneous route. ATAGS is the future...

 

[Prashant12]

After Indian Bofors, muzzle hit in US’s M 777 guns

Nagpur: A muzzle hit occurred in the M-777 ultralight howitzers procured from the US, during trials in the Pokhran desert last week. The first batch of the guns, made by BAE Systems, was delivered in May this year as a part of the deal to buy 145 pieces in all. M-777 is the first acquisition of high calibre howitzers after Bofors.

A senior official in army's artillery wing confirmed the incident. It is a small incident and most probably due to faulty ammunition. "A joint investigation is being carried out to ascertain the cause," the officer told TOI.

The muzzle is fixed on the top of a barrel. If a shell dashes through it, the range is reduced considerably and the muzzle gets damaged too.

A similar issue was seen in Dhanush, the Indian gun designed on the lines of the Swedish Bofors by the ordnance factory. The howitzer is being made at the Gun Carriage Factory (GCF), Jabalpur.

During trials in July, there was muzzle hit in the Dhanush guns. Prior to this, there was an incident in May also. The preliminary report over the May incident in Dhanush had blamed the ammunition.

Last month, there was as barrel burst in K-9 Thunder guns during trials in Korea. Guns of the same make are being acquired for India.

On the K-9 guns, the army official said, "The incident took place outside India. As the Korean ammunition and loading systems were in use, the incident has to be taken independently."

Top sources in the army say Dhanush is expected to be inducted within six months to a year. An investigation is being conducted and it is suspected that even in the Indian gun, faulty ammunition may be the cause.

Repeated incidents of muzzle hit and one barrel burst in Dhanush has pushed back its final induction. Even in the original Bofors, nearly 40 cases of muzzle hit were reported. If final report for Dhanush blames the ammunition, doubts can be set aside on its design, said sources.

Apart from making Dhanush, the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) has also tied up with BAE Systems to make mounted howitzers of 155x52 mm calibre. It will be having a higher range than Dhanush due to length of the barrel. Bharat Earth Movers Limited will be making the vehicle on which the gun will be mounted.
As the army has to replace the ageing Bofors guns, the weapons are being made by private as well as government entities. These include Dhanush by ordnance factories, K-9 Vajra by Larsen and Toubro in collaboration with Korean Hanwa Techwin, ATAGS of Bharat Forge-Tata Power SED, apart from M-777 of BAE Systems.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...it-in-uss-m-777-guns/articleshow/60469919.cms

 

[Khagesh]

Some people wanted the M-777 faked in India because the Indian Army has stocked the FARPs very well in forward areas. And the excuse is that the M-777 will be chinooked around.

But why cannot the ATAGS go to the same places in exactly the manner the FARP inventory was transported?

Oye deshbhakton, dekho shayad M-777 mein bhi chinese roller race bearings hongi?

 

[patriots]

some people are saying that there is a problem in ammo...if it's true ....then kalyani and tata atag may face the same problem in future