Indian Air Force strength compared to PLAAF(Fighters+Attackers)

Iamanidiot

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Seriously, since when did WAB became an authority over Indo-China issues or IAF-PLAAF issues?. First, we need to use our own brains instead of depending on others which reveals the insecurities in your understanding of things.
DD do we have pro's here who can give those insights .Most of GOI does not have a good Chinawatch section(DFI is much better).Until we have pro's who can give the insights whether we like it or not one has to read WAB.
 

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As of December IAF has...

149 Jaguar M/S/T
157 MiG-21
14 MiG-23
122 MiG-27
69 MiG-29
57 M2000H
130 MKI
162 Kiran
33 Hawk 132

PLAAF has...

H-5 250
H-6 120
J-6 4
J-7 390
J-8 96
J-10 200
J-11 (Su-27/30) 273
JH-7 19
Q-5 500
JJ-6 149
JJ-7 39
JL-8 (K-8 ) 170

That doesn't include naval fighters which PLANAF has ...

J-7 30
JH-7 35
J-8 124
Q-5 100
Su-30/33 23
India never had so many jaguars and mig-27. the total no of mig-27 inducted were 140 and as we know many are lost in accidents and same case with jaguars. mig-29 and mirage-2000 with India are 61 and 51 respectively and not what you had stated.

moreover plaaf is advancing but and no of flankers with them completely outperform India's benchstrength of advanced fighters but this is a known fact and measure are taken to neutralize them with in this decades. old q-5 and j-7/8 are of no good use these days, if India deploys sufficient no of SAMs then they wont be able to reach tawang lave delhi aside.
 

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This includes training aircraft, it is correct as of 12.2010
 
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bharat-raksha has a whole list of Air fleet strenth of IAF , I put some screenshots here. Last Update in Mar 2011...
IAF has 36.5 squadrons in this list BUT we get to know from the words of New IAF chief that:
â– Indian Air Force will maintain 34 fighter squadrons. Squadron No. 17 will be phased out.






Note: the numbers in the list might be less than IAF actually has coz there might be some in stock or training and test units.
 
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since it is a comparation again, I put a list of PLAAF fighters and attacters as well ...this is from the MP.net few months ago...this is just for your reference only .

bombers are not in the list...but I'm sure just few H-5 in service for training

there are 350 new varients of J7s in service (last patch in 2003). the rest 250 old varients have been in service around 15-20 years.

the eldest J8A/E varient has been phased out recently. all left around 200 J8F/Hs are improved with BVR ability.

Su27/30 and J11: few old 27/UBK(the first 26 jets: 19 years in service since 1992) and J11(entering in service in 1998 ) retired or crashed, normally they were replaced by the new built J11 (not J11B) before the J11 production ended.the production of J11B is on, but the total number should be less than the one (412) in the list...around 390 by now

PLAAF has more J/H7As than the number in the list coz they are replacing the Q-5s. it's around 100




For the same reason , PLAAF has more J8,JH7,J10 J11 in test units.and much more J7 J8 in stock.
 
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the strength shouldnt matter in case of sino-indo scenario. bulk of fighters with china are obsolete like j-7 and j-8. the new flankers are in plenty with j-10 coming up soon. the second generation mig-21s and mig-21 copies are no match for modern day SAMs. the flankers are too big for radars to detect and this simply means that aggressor will meet its end if defender is alert even upto its 50% capacity.

for defence our SAMs and interception should be beefed up( ofcourse with modern birds and not plenty but old junks). for offense the stealth fighters should be developed and bought in plenty so as effective and prolonged damage can be inflicted.

this should be done smartly and not in unplanned manner. we are not in a period of waterloo where column after column are made to march towards enemy and exposed to direct firing( causing huge damage). this is smart world where enemy should be killed with minimum use of weaponry.
 

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Shiphone, you posted the same chart I used in the first page. :tsk: I would think India needs sharply increase the size of its air force by building domestic one such as LCA rather than buying foreign ones. Yes, LCA can not match Euro fighter now, but you learn in the process and 10 years later, Improved LCA will beat EU fighter. I would said this is what China is doing now, and India could do the same thing. I dream one day China and India could settle the border issue and become ally. India and China should be friends naturally since both suffered a lot from the West and could learn a lots from each other. It will be tragic in 21st Century if these two nations fight each other. This is what the West wants and This is the same reason why they play one nation against another.


since it is a comparation again, I put a list of PLAAF fighters and attacters as well ...this is from the MP.net few months ago...this is just for your reference only .

bombers are not in the list...but I'm sure just few H-5 in service for training

there are 350 new varients of J7s in service (last patch in 2003). the rest 250 old varients have been in service around 15-20 years.

the eldest J8A/E varient has been phased out recently. all left around 200 J8F/Hs are improved with BVR ability.

Su27/30 and J11: few old 27/UBK(the first 26 jets: 19 years in service since 1992) and J11(entering in service in 1998 ) retired or crashed, normally they were replaced by the new built J11 (not J11B) before the J11 production ended.the production of J11B is on, but the total number should be less than the one (412) in the list...around 390 by now

PLAAF has more J/H7As than the number in the list coz they are replacing the Q-5s. it's around 100




For the same reason , PLAAF has more J8,JH7,J10 J11 in test units.and much more J7 J8 in stock.
 

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I wonder how many of the PLAAF fighters can fly over the Himalayas with any serious weapons load to threaten IAF airbases/ airpower. Flankers and J-10 (probably). As for the rest, they can be a great asset in the east or south (over the Taiwan straits or against Vietnam) for PLAAF, but I am not convinced that they can be of much use over the Himalayas.
 

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China has serious threat to it, from other countries than India, Question is what is the least number of aircraft that we need on our western sector to defend against Pakistan, during a possible war against China. We are technologically superior, and our Western Navy is also available against them. I am talking out of my ass, I think 200 Fighters in the western sector and the Navy would be enough, while we can divert other fighters to Eastern sector against China. That is nearly 400 Fighters.

Now, lets talk about how much China can employ, it also has to look into Taiwan, Japan, US and others. Also their fighter obselence and inherent dis-advantage of being in rarefied air, I dont think they will be able to employ more that 300 fighters either.
 

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As of December IAF has...

149 Jaguar M/S/T
157 MiG-21
14 MiG-23
122 MiG-27
69 MiG-29
57 M2000H
130 MKI
162 Kiran
33 Hawk 132

PLAAF has...

H-5 250
H-6 120
J-6 4
J-7 390
J-8 96
J-10 200
J-11 (Su-27/30) 273
JH-7 19
Q-5 500
JJ-6 149
JJ-7 39
JL-8 (K-8 ) 170

That doesn't include naval fighters which PLANAF has ...

J-7 30
JH-7 35
J-8 124
Q-5 100
Su-30/33 23
both PLAAF AND IAF ARE JUNKYARD..SPECIALLY IAF
ALL THE MIGS FROM 21 TO 27 ARE OUTDATED..WE DONT KNOW FUNCTION OF MIG 29 IN INDIAN AIRFORCE ...JAUGVAURS CAN FALL DOWN BY ANY SAM
SUKHO 30MKI IS MOST GREATEST AIRCRAFT IN ASSIA BUT 150+AIRCRAFT NOT ENOUGH ON BOTH FRONT ...PRODUCTION LCA IS NOT IN PICK POINT ..AND IT IS NOT CHAKE IN ANY WAR OR WAR GAME
WE ARE DELAYS "AMCA&MMRCA" DEAL.
CHINA ALSO FACE SAME PROBLEM BUT NUMBER THEY HAD CLEAR EDGE OVER INDIA
 

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accept realities and improve the iaf its better to the our future
 

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In any indo-china war there are only 3 months of good weather for air battle
 

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In modern air war 3 mos. is a long time to dissimate an opposing air force.
 

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In modern air war 3 mos. is a long time to dissimate an opposing air force.
By modern air war, you mean the one sided aerial campaigns we are seeing these days, right?

Think of WW2. It went on for years. I think 3 months is reasonable if not less for a full blown India-PRC conflict.
 

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IAF should avoid fighting with PLAAF in the air. Defeat them while they are still on the ground. Think of Israeli preemptive srike against Egypt during the Six-Day War. You know the air bases of PLAAF smother them with Cruise missiles before 0 hour... A direct Indian and Chinese war is not going to be a limited war, it'll be an all-out war. So better try to wipe their air assets off the map as early as possible.
 

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